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Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

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I can confirm the blackmailing, I was a part of XO in my early days. A reason I never exposed myself as an XO provider after the outrageous experiences I lived through my first 4 months of escorting, I was young naive …. All I can say is I am grateful they finally got caught and are no longer in business !!!!

I am so incredibly sorry that you’ve experienced that and even more so that you have to see men defending exploitation on this thread :(
 

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I wonder how many LE Merb members there are .... hmmmm ..
It blows my mind. That would make for a great TV show. Can you imagine LE operating something like MERB? They would know almost every SP's and clients in the city. Not mentioning that the program would finance itself.
 

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Why was a "great agency" hiring minors (as early as 2017 which is many years before you claim it went downhill)?
Je ne veux surtout pas défendre XO ou toutes autres agences mais, ce point ne semble pas avoir été prouvé. Si ça avait été le cas, l’agence aurait été fermée ipso facto et des poursuites entamées.

Ça me semble être un cas de dénonciation, où, après enquête, on a rien trouvé comme preuve. Mais l’article le mentionne uniquement dans un but sensationnaliste. Je peux me tromper mais, il n’y a pas de trace d’un procès dans ce sens.
 

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Je ne veux surtout pas défendre XO ou toutes autres agences mais, ce point ne semble pas avoir été prouvé. Si ça avait été le cas, l’agence aurait été fermée ipso facto et des poursuites entamées.

Ça me semble être un cas de dénonciation, où, après enquête, on a rien trouvé comme preuve. Mais l’article le mentionne uniquement dans un but sensationnaliste. Je peux me tromper mais, il n’y a pas de trace d’un procès dans ce sens.
L'article de la presse ne mentionne pas d'accusations en lien avec des mineurs non plus.
 

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L'article de la presse ne mentionne pas d'accusations en lien avec des mineurs non plus.
Ils n'ont pas besoin et on est pas stupide...

Y'a des centaines de salons de massage et des dizaines d'agences d'escorte, le tout est toléré à Montréal et environs... mais quand tu touches aux mineurs, ce n'est plus toléré, avec raison.
 

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Ils n'ont pas besoin et on est pas stupide...

Y'a des centaines de salons de massage et des dizaines d'agences d'escorte, le tout est toléré à Montréal et environs... mais quand tu touches aux mineurs, ce n'est plus toléré, avec raison.

C'est toléré car ce serait pire si ce ne l'étais pas. Tout serait vraiment clandestin... Ce qui attire encore pire rapace.
 
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She could still leave. They would expose her but she was not held at gun point. As per what Rabbit said she quit either way after a few months.

When she cancels the business incurs a loss. The incall costs money, it is planned the budget. Clients time is also valuable.

How do you know? Were you in it? Because everything said is alleged and hearsay at best.

How do you know? Did you work at XO? Were you in it? Anything said is alleged.

No, I deal in cold hard facts. I dislike this victim hood mentality that the media has been playing for a long time. The La Presse article is biased.

They still could leave. They were not threatened with violence, no one held them at gunpoint. How many girls we seen on XO's roster that left? Many. Were they all coerced?? If we really want to talk about coercion see what is happening in third world countries with human trafficking cases where young girls are threatened with actual violence. We are in an occidental country, they can leave. Okay they will tell their family that they worked as escorts but still they can leave. Even war criminal were able to flee.

You never worked for an outsourcer? I did. Let me tell you it was far from decent. We worked like slaves for such low pay with not much benefits. The TFW program is an example of modern day slavery as per the UN. But still I had a choice to leave and I did. But lets get real the girl wants the fast money, they do not want to work for McDonalds at minimum wage.

In that same sense you can label all outsourcers as pimps, but no one is ready to have that conversation.
Like I said before just slightly kinder and perhaps not as violent pimps.
Yes XO SP came and left, how much blackmail and coercion was going on only they know but all indications are that there was a fair amount.

Does this make the owners “ better pimps” does this make them “ better scumbags” not in my books.
Does the fact that you were abused by your employer make these pimps better.

I worked 8 years for a company owned by someone born in the same country as I and actually a sponsor of the team I played for professionally also.
I was taken advantage of, underpayed, probably one of the worst places I ever worked in my life, yes I could have left at anytime but I learned a trade that later allowed me to travel the world, earn an amazing salary and be able to afford a much better life style for my family. I knew I had to stay and finish what I started no matter how difficult.

Having a choice to leave is not always the answer especially if the owners can blackmail you and make your life difficult . If you are a naive young woman with no back up and no one to look out for you for sure it must be extremely difficult and scary.
 
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Sure but, giving money to your employer cannot be part of the consequences, dude come on, its total absurdity .
I never it should be that. I just said there got to be consequences. Btw strippers are penalized for coming late and got to pay a much higher bar service fee. What penalty would you consider as acceptable for repeat cancellations?
 

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Sure but, giving money to your employer cannot be part of the consequences, dude come on, its total absurdity .
This reminds me that I once worked for a law firm at which real estate paralegals were "fined" if they made mistakes in real estate closing statements. For example if there was a $200 mistake, $200 would be taken out of their pay. This was back in the 1990s when I was a very young associate at a law firm I only worked at for 2.5 years. The employer's rationale behind these "fines" was that it would "deter" them from making the same mistakes again. I suppose a similar rationale to a hockey fine designed to "deter" excessively violent conduct.

I have since worked for many firms and I never saw it done before or since. I absolutely think it was abhorrent. You sit down with the paralegal, discuss her mistake with her and retrain her so it doesn't happen again. If she keeps making the same mistake after retraining, then you let her go. That's how it usually goes.
 
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I wonder if these people have any association with street gangs. There was a LE sweep of low life street gangs a few years ago. On top is the Italian Mafia, then the bikers with the Hells on top of that group, then at the bottom of the heap is the street thugs. Any association with these scum will bring LE heat.
Things have changed a lot since. Today you can put all 3 groups on the same level since, street gangs have upped their game and are now, as violent as the others.

Now if you ever believe that escort agencies were run by priests, maybe its time to open your eyes. Mafia, Bikers and now, street gangs have been running the sex business for âges, stripclubs, massage parlors, escorts name it, its all organized crime controlled.
 
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Was not referring to either. Everyone who was around 2005-2010 knows who I am referring to. Pointless to name names because others had the same or similar structures. I also remember a consortium of "independents" that Tom of blue board was allegedly behind. Not sure of what the truth was on any of it, but the point is nobody knows. We are using labels that in some cases may not be real. The word "independent" is malleable in some cases and may mean something else.

It reminds me of the legal debate between what is an "independent contractor" and what is an ""employee." The average person thinks the Courts in the U.S.A resolve this by what your tax returns or records show. WRONG!!!!!! It's a fact-sensitive control test. An independent contractor truly controls their work. An employee does not. The same test applies in my mind in the escort world.
Even though I am older than you I wasn’t around in 2005-2010 as far as hobbying so have no idea what you are talking about nor what Tom of the blue board, ( I am aware of the failed blue board) was doing.
You constantly refer back to times that are ancient history and nobody gives a fuck about and you haven’t been in Montreal in ages and know fuck all of recent events.
Why inject yourself in conversations that you know nothing about.
Btw nobody gives a fuck about the courts in the USA either. We live in Montreal and we are concerned with LE here and how seriously LE may take the situation after cracking down on XO.
 

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Lets be real here, there is no such thing as an ethical way of paying people to fuck them!
For me there is a whole difference between paying for someone blackmailed, intimidated, manipulated, minor or else versus paying versus someone like Sonia Von Sacher who seems to be happy. That is my moral line that legal or not I will not crossed.
 
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Even though I am older than you I wasn’t around in 2005-2010 as far as hobbying so have no idea what you are talking about nor what Tom of the blue board, ( I am aware of the failed blue board) was doing.
You constantly refer back to times that are ancient history and nobody gives a fuck about and you haven’t been in Montreal in ages and know fuck all of recent events.
Why inject yourself in conversations that you know nothing about.
Btw nobody gives a fuck about the courts in the USA either. We live in Montreal and we are concerned with LE here and how seriously LE may take the situation after cracking down on XO.
Fuck
 
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For me there is a whole difference between paying for someone blackmailed, intimidated, manipulated, minor or else versus paying versus someone like Sonia Von Sacher who seems to be happy. That is my moral line that legal or not I will not crossed.
I think most of us would agree with everything you said , however Capt is correct that there is no such thing as ethically paying for sex especially when it is against the law.
 
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