Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

[PatHibulaire]

This whole affair comforts me on 2 levels. First I'm glad I see only independent SP's who are most likely in the business after carefully thinking it over. They get to screen their clients and they keep 100% of the money.

Also, I am glad that nobody around me knows about my secret life with escorts. This world can be really nasty with abusive clients and pimps (operating an escort agency makes you a pimp).

By not telling anyone, I don't have to justify myself by explaining that I am not abusing anybody and that the encounter is pleasant for the two persons involved. The first thing I say to the lady I meet is « thank you for accepting my invitation » and she usually replies with « thank you for inviting me ». Whether it is the first time or the tenth time I see her, I am always grateful because even though I paid for it, I figure I'm asking for a big favor and I feel lucky that they agreed to spend time with me.

This XO affair, exposing the dark side of the business, is bad for everybody.

 

[josie1987]

I don’t know who said providers working in agencies are all victims but it wasn’t me. Like I said many times, there are good agencies. I have friends working in good ones in Toronto.

Some agencies, especially in Montreal are very exploitative. Yes, in those cases, providers working there could be victims


Side topic, I know a lot of providers living in Montreal that simply refuse to work here because they don’t like the clientele. No, that has nothing to do with money but just in the general attitude

In the 10+ years I’ve been working, I’ve often heard providers calling Montreal a boot camp “if you can survive working in Montreal, you can work anywhere”

Yeah well Montreal is not Toronto or Vancouver. People seem to have forgotten that Montreal was in economic decline for a long while and that cost of living and salaries are STILL lower here so escort agencies prices reflect that.

 

[LeDodo]

I wonder how many LE Merb members there are .... hmmmm ..

Well if they were able to press charges for sexual service advertising ...

 

[josie1987]

This whole affair comforts me on 2 levels. First I'm glad I see only independent SP's who are most likely in the business after carefully thinking it over. They get to screen their clients and they keep 100% of the money.

Also, I am glad that nobody around me knows about my secret life with escorts. This world can be really nasty with abusive clients and pimps (operating an escort agency makes you a pimp).

By not telling anyone, I don't have to justify myself by explaining that I am not abusing anybody and that the encounter is pleasant for the two persons involved. The first thing I say to the lady I meet is « thank you for accepting my invitation » and she usually replies with « thank you for inviting me ». Whether it is the first time or the tenth time I see her, I am always grateful because even though I paid for it, I figure I'm asking for a big favor and I feel lucky that they agreed to spend time with me.

This XO affair, exposing the dark side of the business, is bad for everybody.

Yet if you follow the abolitionist discourse you would know that all sex workers are victims. Some of the them are just not aware of it yet. In time they will see themselves as such.

 

[Katalina Stass]

!!!

We’re just going to overlook the fact that some girls have been blackmailed? Quit and I will tell your family what you truly do for a living

I cannot confirm those girls were working at XO but they were working in agencies mentioned they would scan your pictures and have blackmailed previous providers I’ve known . I worked at XO in my early days when I started and all I can say is…. In TRULY happy they finally got caught and aren’t in business anymore !!!!!!

We’re just going to overlook the fact that some girls have been blackmailed? Quit and I will tell your family what you truly do for a living

I cannot confirm those girls were working at XO but they were working in agencies

I can confirm the blackmailing, I was a part of XO in my early days. A reason I never exposed myself as an XO provider after the outrageous experiences I lived through my first 4 months of escorting, I was young naive …. All I can say is I am grateful they finally got caught and are no longer in business !!!!

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Yet if you follow the abolitionist discourse you would know that all sex workers are victims. Some of the them are just not aware of it yet. In time they will see themselves as such.

I think it's really weird that you are weaponizing abolitionist discourse in order to maintain the status quo about abuse and exploitation in the sex industry, but that's just me. lol

Nobody here has said that all sex workers are ''victims'' with no voice and no options. There's a difference between talking about the violence that sex workers experience, and removing their agency & reducing them to nothing but victims.

If it is explained to them properly, someone can understand very well the difference between a sex worker who sees good clients who respect her boundaries, and someone who is being exploited. They can understand the difference between a respectful client and someone who is just trying to exploit weakness. Same thing for employers.. this industry is not regulated, so obviously there will be huge differences between how a business is managed compared to another, even if there are certain patterns that come back.

I think it's really odd to say ''nobody should talk about XO or about abusive clients because we want to maintain a good image of the industry''.. uh.. sounds like this lacks nuance, but ok

 

[hob12]

Mais genre mec! Pourquoi tu ramènes tout le temps d’autres professions. Do you not realize it has absolutely no correlation.

Si tu peux garder tes vêtements et ne pas avoir à coucher avec des inconnus qui se battent avec toi pour ne pas se doucher, bien sûr que les prix sont différents. Je ne pense pas que ça soit difficile de comprendre que les escortes chargent ce qui les rendent confortable pour la tâche à effectuer

Je ne pense pas avoir fait ce genre de comparaison ailleurs. À moins que tu compte quand j'ai mentionné que les SP qui n'aiment pas leurs conditions peuvent walk away si tel est leur choix, comme n'importe qui d'autres. Ce qui d'ailleurs semble arriver très souvent.

Ce que je remarque c'est que certaines ici ne semblent vraiment pas apprécier quand on écrit des choses avec lesquelles elles sont en désaccord ou qu'on les challenge un peu même si on reste très poli.

Je vais avouer que je suis pas sûr de saisir ton commentaire sur la douche. Mon but était juste de souligner que 280/h ce n'est pas un taux horaire de crève faim. Et oui je sais que les escortes ne font pas 40h semaine, qu'il y a des particularités, etc. Still. Il y a plein de monde qui ont des job essentielles qui font en dessous de 30$/heures

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Well if they were able to press charges for sexual service advertising ...

Agencies don't only advertise on merb, and there is probably a context behind that.. I don't think they would have been able to press charges for that reason alone. This reminds me of that case that occurred a while back, a guy who filmed an appointment without a girl's consent, and she took him to court. They were able to convict him, but they only pressed charges for buying sex. This was an excuse to convict him. They wouldn't have done it otherwise.

 

[LC18]

Yeah well Montreal is not Toronto or Vancouver. People seem to have forgotten that Montreal was in economic decline for a long while and that cost of living and salaries are STILL lower here so escort agencies prices reflect that.

What part of “that has nothing to do with money” was not clear?

 

[josie1987]

What part of “that has nothing to do with money” was not clear?

Because it's BS. Is that clear enough?

 

[Georgy07]

I wonder if other agencies are under their radar now....

 

[LC18]

Mon but était juste de souligner que 280/h ce n'est pas un taux horaire de crève faim.

Mais elles ne font pas 280$/h par contre. Pas loin mais pas 280$, parfois 200$ parfois 150$ si elles sont malchanceuses.

 

[LC18]

Because it's BS. Is that clear enough?

The attitude and entitlement are very high on the lists of reasons providers hate to work in Montreal. Can’t blame them

 

[LC18]

!!!



I can confirm the blackmailing, I was a part of XO in my early days. A reason I never exposed myself as an XO provider after the outrageous experiences I lived through my first 4 months of escorting, I was young naive …. All I can say is I am grateful they finally got caught and are no longer in business !!!!

I am so incredibly sorry that you’ve experienced that and even more so that you have to see men defending exploitation on this thread

 

[PatHibulaire]

I wonder how many LE Merb members there are .... hmmmm ..

It blows my mind. That would make for a great TV show. Can you imagine LE operating something like MERB? They would know almost every SP's and clients in the city. Not mentioning that the program would finance itself.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Why was a "great agency" hiring minors (as early as 2017 which is many years before you claim it went downhill)?

Je ne veux surtout pas défendre XO ou toutes autres agences mais, ce point ne semble pas avoir été prouvé. Si ça avait été le cas, l’agence aurait été fermée ipso facto et des poursuites entamées.

Ça me semble être un cas de dénonciation, où, après enquête, on a rien trouvé comme preuve. Mais l’article le mentionne uniquement dans un but sensationnaliste. Je peux me tromper mais, il n’y a pas de trace d’un procès dans ce sens.

 

[hob12]

Je ne veux surtout pas défendre XO ou toutes autres agences mais, ce point ne semble pas avoir été prouvé. Si ça avait été le cas, l’agence aurait été fermée ipso facto et des poursuites entamées.

Ça me semble être un cas de dénonciation, où, après enquête, on a rien trouvé comme preuve. Mais l’article le mentionne uniquement dans un but sensationnaliste. Je peux me tromper mais, il n’y a pas de trace d’un procès dans ce sens.

L'article de la presse ne mentionne pas d'accusations en lien avec des mineurs non plus.

 

[Eurasian]

L'article de la presse ne mentionne pas d'accusations en lien avec des mineurs non plus.

Ils n'ont pas besoin et on est pas stupide...

Y'a des centaines de salons de massage et des dizaines d'agences d'escorte, le tout est toléré à Montréal et environs... mais quand tu touches aux mineurs, ce n'est plus toléré, avec raison.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

As with any business, if someone is late or has frequent cancellations then there must be consequences.

Sure but, giving money to your employer cannot be part of the consequences, dude come on, its total absurdity .

 

[Smokemeal2]

Ils n'ont pas besoin et on est pas stupide...

Y'a des centaines de salons de massage et des dizaines d'agences d'escorte, le tout est toléré à Montréal et environs... mais quand tu touches aux mineurs, ce n'est plus toléré, avec raison.

C'est toléré car ce serait pire si ce ne l'étais pas. Tout serait vraiment clandestin... Ce qui attire encore pire rapace.