Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

My understanding is that Sam toward the end was more the "owner in the background" like renting the units and other stuff like that and mostly just cashing the money and not actually working anymore (booking etc). Its what i have been told by some SPs and since i didn't interact with Sam during the later years, i do believe it was true. Im sure you guys noticed one of the lady has the same last name as Sam. Sister, cousin or wife? But they definately related. I spoke to Sam and altough he is Asian, he spoke like any white dude. You couldn't know he is Asian if you only spoke on the phone with him. So that lady in question ... was she still working as of recently? Its likely (if they are siblings) that she has the same "accent-free" voice as him.

I listened to the podcast and the latest interview of Clementine and i know that some of the stuff she mention did happened because i been told by the guys themselves. The only difference between her testimony and theirs is that on their side it was consensual and they had a safe word. I even inquired to some SPs i saw and had some confirmations that this stuff did happen but the versions were different depending on the person. I think the truth is likely in between. My feeling is that Clementine "agreed" to do some things because of various reasons (fear of the agency, the clients, treats etc) but she really didn't wanted to do them. Now some clients are really depicted as evil and again, i know from the mouth of an SP that some clients will out them to their familly either if they refuse to do some things or refuse to see them. I know it happened. I know there is some evil guys out there. Heck who (beside a psychopath) would ask an SP to send him a video of her killing her dog... For F SAKE !! Were they all that evil tough? I think this poor lady was traumatized heavily from many different situations and at some point a client asking for a kink may have been enough to trigger the traumas and put him in the same basket.

All my "kinks" are non-violent personally. But i have a few who would definately trigger a "weirdo !!!" comment if i told them to any "civilians" wich is not into that. Im not gonna lie, there is some things i only done because the SP brough it up herself first and since she said she was comfortable doing it, then i felt at ease to ask her about it. But even 17 years later i am still shy with SPs, i am still uncomfortable to ask about certain things. Heck by now its not a secret that i love doing COF, but do you know how many years it took me to be comfortable asking about it because i feared i would look like a weirdo? And heck im not even 100% to this day, and it depend on the provider (i try to read the room and i try to book with the ones who have a pre-disposition for it either by listing it or reading about it in reviews).

I mentioned in my previous post i had a bad experience not that long ago that has "shaken me up". It added to the one i had late last year that i talked about and while they were not "back to back" per say (and they were different in context), it was in a short ammount of time and has left me with some "emotional scars" related to the business to a point i still think regularely about it and have decided (way before this story came out) to avoid agency bookings for a while and only seeing SPs i know for the near futur. But now that this story has pop out i view it in a different angle and the key factor is probably "what about the other clients she saw before me and how did they behave" and i can maybe understand a bit more on the situation.

For transparency i never met Jade at Xo. I don't know her at all. And my experience is limited to what i experienced myself. Did i saw SPs with bruises on their body or face? No. Did i was told anything that could trigger an alarm in me? No. But i mostly saw "veterans" that been in the business for a while. I rarely if ever booked "new SPs" because i felt it was too "risky". I prefer seeing someone thats been around and have had great reviews. Considering i book rarely and all the logistic involved, it was a better "bet". Up until December 2025 my "resume" was very good. Not gonna said i didn't had a few "meh meetings" but never anything overly majorly bad. So maybe both the agency and some clients wanted to "pray" on young new comers who didn't knew better.

All these years i tried to be the best client i could and yet i know for a fact i ended up on the blacklist on some SPs due to my posts here. Was i sometimes in the wrong and not realizing it at the time? Definately. Is there some opinions i still persist and sign to this day that is in disparity with some SPs? Definately. Heck i may even change my mind on more things in the futur. This post is a great exemple of making me question the business more than ever before. Only the fools don't change their mind. I always been an open person and i do try to look at the good in peoples rather than the bad. But i also learn in my life (not just in this business) that no matter what, there is bad peoples in the world and you also need to build a shell around you, otherwise you will be squashed and taken advantage of.

mauricevachon said:

To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.

However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.

1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.

2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.

Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.

*****

Clementine comes from a good family and social network.
She thus has a real need to justify her past actions.
Blaming it all on others is one way to do that.

She lied twice; but more important, much of the rest of what she says is not fully credible either.
(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).

Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escorte démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne

Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.

www.985fm.ca

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mauricevachon said:

To the average viewer Clementine is highly attractive and convincing.

However to anyone who is familiar with the hobby it is clear she is lying at least twice.

1. She says that when she joined Seeking Arrangement (at 19) she did not realize that clients would be expecting sex.

2. More important she says that when she joined XO (which an SA client referred her to) that Sam told her she would not have to have sex with clients.

Sam was many things.
But he was not a time waster.
He would never have told a girl that.

*****

Clementine comes from a good family and social network.
She thus has a real need to justify her past actions.
Blaming it all on others is one way to do that.

She lied twice; but more important, much of the rest of what she says is not fully credible either.
(That XO "forced" her to see clients. She could have walked out at anytime. Never once saw anyone watching these girls).

Ses agresseurs arrêtés | Agence d’escorte démantelée à Montréal: une des victimes témoigne

Écoutez le témoignage de Clémentine, 26 ans, victime d exploitation sexuelle, mercredi à Radio textos avec Marie Eve Tremblay.

www.985fm.ca

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I'm not the smartest but I know 2 things. First it's not because something seems incredible that it is not true.
Also young girls, especially if they were raised in a loving family, are incredibly naive.

Halloween Mike said:

My understanding is that Sam toward the end was more the "owner in the background" like renting the units and other stuff like that and mostly just cashing the money and not actually working anymore (booking etc). Its what i have been told by some SPs and since i didn't interact with Sam during the later years, i do believe it was true. Im sure you guys noticed one of the lady has the same last name as Sam. Sister, cousin or wife? But they definately related. I spoke to Sam and altough he is Asian, he spoke like any white dude. You couldn't know he is Asian if you only spoke on the phone with him. So that lady in question ... was she still working as of recently? Its likely (if they are siblings) that she has the same "accent-free" voice as him.

I listened to the podcast and the latest interview of Clementine and i know that some of the stuff she mention did happened because i been told by the guys themselves. The only difference between her testimony and theirs is that on their side it was consensual and they had a safe word. I even inquired to some SPs i saw and had some confirmations that this stuff did happen but the versions were different depending on the person. I think the truth is likely in between. My feeling is that Clementine "agreed" to do some things because of various reasons (fear of the agency, the clients, treats etc) but she really didn't wanted to do them. Now some clients are really depicted as evil and again, i know from the mouth of an SP that some clients will out them to their familly either if they refuse to do some things or refuse to see them. I know it happened. I know there is some evil guys out there. Heck who (beside a psychopath) would ask an SP to send him a video of her killing her dog... For F SAKE !! Were they all that evil tough? I think this poor lady was traumatized heavily from many different situations and at some point a client asking for a kink may have been enough to trigger the traumas and put him in the same basket.

All my "kinks" are non-violent personally. But i have a few who would definately trigger a "weirdo !!!" comment if i told them to any "civilians" wich is not into that. Im not gonna lie, there is some things i only done because the SP brough it up herself first and since she said she was comfortable doing it, then i felt at ease to ask her about it. But even 17 years later i am still shy with SPs, i am still uncomfortable to ask about certain things. Heck by now its not a secret that i love doing COF, but do you know how many years it took me to be comfortable asking about it because i feared i would look like a weirdo? And heck im not even 100% to this day, and it depend on the provider (i try to read the room and i try to book with the ones who have a pre-disposition for it either by listing it or reading about it in reviews).

I mentioned in my previous post i had a bad experience not that long ago that has "shaken me up". It added to the one i had late last year that i talked about and while they were not "back to back" per say (and they were different in context), it was in a short ammount of time and has left me with some "emotional scars" related to the business to a point i still think regularely about it and have decided (way before this story came out) to avoid agency bookings for a while and only seeing SPs i know for the near futur. But now that this story has pop out i view it in a different angle and the key factor is probably "what about the other clients she saw before me and how did they behave" and i can maybe understand a bit more on the situation.

For transparency i never met Jade at Xo. I don't know her at all. And my experience is limited to what i experienced myself. Did i saw SPs with bruises on their body or face? No. Did i was told anything that could trigger an alarm in me? No. But i mostly saw "veterans" that been in the business for a while. I rarely if ever booked "new SPs" because i felt it was too "risky". I prefer seeing someone thats been around and have had great reviews. Considering i book rarely and all the logistic involved, it was a better "bet". Up until December 2025 my "resume" was very good. Not gonna said i didn't had a few "meh meetings" but never anything overly majorly bad. So maybe both the agency and some clients wanted to "pray" on young new comers who didn't knew better.

All these years i tried to be the best client i could and yet i know for a fact i ended up on the blacklist on some SPs due to my posts here. Was i sometimes in the wrong and not realizing it at the time? Definately. Is there some opinions i still persist and sign to this day that is in disparity with some SPs? Definately. Heck i may even change my mind on more things in the futur. This post is a great exemple of making me question the business more than ever before. Only the fools don't change their mind. I always been an open person and i do try to look at the good in peoples rather than the bad. But i also learn in my life (not just in this business) that no matter what, there is bad peoples in the world and you also need to build a shell around you, otherwise you will be squashed and taken advantage of.

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I'm sensitive to your experience but curious what you mean... All of this is pretty vague and doesn't seem super relevant to this subject

This is getting really exhausting lol. Whatever. Believe whatever you want to believe, guys.

Halloween Mike said:

My understanding is that Sam toward the end was more the "owner in the background" like renting the units and other stuff like that and mostly just cashing the money and not actually working anymore (booking etc). Its what i have been told by some SPs and since i didn't interact with Sam during the later years, i do believe it was true. Im sure you guys noticed one of the lady has the same last name as Sam. Sister, cousin or wife? But they definately related. I spoke to Sam and altough he is Asian, he spoke like any white dude. You couldn't know he is Asian if you only spoke on the phone with him. So that lady in question ... was she still working as of recently? Its likely (if they are siblings) that she has the same "accent-free" voice as him.

I listened to the podcast and the latest interview of Clementine and i know that some of the stuff she mention did happened because i been told by the guys themselves. The only difference between her testimony and theirs is that on their side it was consensual and they had a safe word. I even inquired to some SPs i saw and had some confirmations that this stuff did happen but the versions were different depending on the person. I think the truth is likely in between. My feeling is that Clementine "agreed" to do some things because of various reasons (fear of the agency, the clients, treats etc) but she really didn't wanted to do them. Now some clients are really depicted as evil and again, i know from the mouth of an SP that some clients will out them to their familly either if they refuse to do some things or refuse to see them. I know it happened. I know there is some evil guys out there. Heck who (beside a psychopath) would ask an SP to send him a video of her killing her dog... For F SAKE !! Were they all that evil tough? I think this poor lady was traumatized heavily from many different situations and at some point a client asking for a kink may have been enough to trigger the traumas and put him in the same basket.

All my "kinks" are non-violent personally. But i have a few who would definately trigger a "weirdo !!!" comment if i told them to any "civilians" wich is not into that. Im not gonna lie, there is some things i only done because the SP brough it up herself first and since she said she was comfortable doing it, then i felt at ease to ask her about it. But even 17 years later i am still shy with SPs, i am still uncomfortable to ask about certain things. Heck by now its not a secret that i love doing COF, but do you know how many years it took me to be comfortable asking about it because i feared i would look like a weirdo? And heck im not even 100% to this day, and it depend on the provider (i try to read the room and i try to book with the ones who have a pre-disposition for it either by listing it or reading about it in reviews).

I mentioned in my previous post i had a bad experience not that long ago that has "shaken me up". It added to the one i had late last year that i talked about and while they were not "back to back" per say (and they were different in context), it was in a short ammount of time and has left me with some "emotional scars" related to the business to a point i still think regularely about it and have decided (way before this story came out) to avoid agency bookings for a while and only seeing SPs i know for the near futur. But now that this story has pop out i view it in a different angle and the key factor is probably "what about the other clients she saw before me and how did they behave" and i can maybe understand a bit more on the situation.

For transparency i never met Jade at Xo. I don't know her at all. And my experience is limited to what i experienced myself. Did i saw SPs with bruises on their body or face? No. Did i was told anything that could trigger an alarm in me? No. But i mostly saw "veterans" that been in the business for a while. I rarely if ever booked "new SPs" because i felt it was too "risky". I prefer seeing someone thats been around and have had great reviews. Considering i book rarely and all the logistic involved, it was a better "bet". Up until December 2025 my "resume" was very good. Not gonna said i didn't had a few "meh meetings" but never anything overly majorly bad. So maybe both the agency and some clients wanted to "pray" on young new comers who didn't knew better.

All these years i tried to be the best client i could and yet i know for a fact i ended up on the blacklist on some SPs due to my posts here. Was i sometimes in the wrong and not realizing it at the time? Definately. Is there some opinions i still persist and sign to this day that is in disparity with some SPs? Definately. Heck i may even change my mind on more things in the futur. This post is a great exemple of making me question the business more than ever before. Only the fools don't change their mind. I always been an open person and i do try to look at the good in peoples rather than the bad. But i also learn in my life (not just in this business) that no matter what, there is bad peoples in the world and you also need to build a shell around you, otherwise you will be squashed and taken advantage of.

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Clementine’s allegations have not withstood the test of a trial. Her statements are not evidence. As the issue of the trial of the 5 hockey players has shown, allegations can’t be taken at face value.

TheJames101 said:

But it stood out to me, because it seemed to imply that most (or all) people who booked with XO were abusers or bad people who didn't care about how the women felt. I doubt any SP here would say that everyone they have encountered has been bad.

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Well at first it sounds like unbelievable that all clients are bad.

But considering the non-existent screening and with the sharing by Alicemay and Julia, you can guess that it's not that impossible at all ...

Alicemay said:

Mes expériences en agences et en salon ont toutes été négatives. Trop de clients dans la même journée de la pression coercitive pour accepter des clients que je ne voulais pas voir (personne dans l’agence voulait les voir).

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Julia Sky said:

Une nouvelle en agence n'a pas ce loisir et ce n'est pas rare qu'elles soient choisies pour être celle qui doit servir tous les clients que les autres ne veulent plus voir. J'ai entendu cette histoire se répéter à maintes reprises. Une amie à moi a débuté en agence. Dès le premier client on lui a dit "c'est un régulier de l'agence, assure-toi te le satisfaire". Monsieur le régulier de l'agence a aggressé mon amie sans concom. Ce n'est ni la première ni la dernière à qui ça arrive. La plupart du temps quand une agence "blacklist" un client ce qu'ils veulent dire c'est qu'ils le mettent sur la liste de clients à envoyer aux nouvelles et à celles qui ont fait chier le boss cette semaine.

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Clémentine had the perfect profile: young and naive, but most importantly new in the roster.

One could imagine the dynamic here: you enter the agency, depending of several factors like your experience, age, character. You work with such clients for a period of time. Once you're "experienced" you could push back, if you're lucky there will be a new girl getting them. Then you have the illusion you're listened.

And then the scenario repeats itself.

Lunaseraphim said:

Maybe that's how she experienced it, even if the clients felt like they were being nice to her. I also don't believe that it's possible to have only bad clients, and I don't think everyone who booked with XO is an abuser.. but I don't think this means we shouldn't believe her.

It sounds like she was being maybe hyperbolic.. She had so many bad experiences that she felt like ''all clients were bad''. That's honestly how I felt when I entered the industry. I attracted so many boundary pushers and violent clients as a beginner that I didn't feel I had one single nice client for a while.. Nowadays, most of my clients are very kind and respectful. But I can see how a new girl, naive, 19 years old, would attract a lot of predators and unpleasant clients..

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Sounds about right. It's just a shame, because there's enough blame to go around... one of the few lights could have been the good clients! Alas, it also helps to perpetuate the pervasive thought that all men who see SP's are immoral.
I don't blame her either for how she felt, I just wish it hadn't been stated publicly and unequivocally like this.

I think these articles and testimony are shaped to play to a particular audience that has zero tolerance for sex work and views all of us as different shades of evil - even the victims to an extent.

We cannot continue to defend the scummy elements of this industry like what happened at xo just because things "seemed" fine.
We know better now, but it seems we don't learn.

To quote bsg, "all of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. "

josie1987 said:

Clementine’s allegations have not withstood the test of a trial. Her statements are not evidence. As the issue of the trial of the 5 hockey players has shown, allegations can’t be taken at face value.

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What trial? Did her case go to trial? Not as far as I'm aware. But maybe it will now, in another form.

Halloween Mike said:

I spoke to Sam and altough he is Asian, he spoke like any white dude. squashed and taken advantage of.

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Spoke the King's English and was well dressed too. HM, you may recall that long before XO began as an agency, he came to some of the parties. He indicated an eagerness to learn the business and start an agency. He seemed to me, at the time, earnest about that. I recall seeing him at 2-3 private parties before XO was ever started. Ditto with James of Euphoria who came to parties, learned as a client, bookered at GG, and then began Euphoria. He followed a similar path into the business. HM nobody knows all of this history quite as well as you since you were front and center for most of it.

I always assumed that the agency was named after XO sauce. A Hong Kong umami rich condiment well known to LeDodo and some others. I don't know if that's where he was from, but likely 2nd generation if so.

TheJames101 said:

Sounds about right. It's just a shame, because there's enough blame to go around... one of the few lights could have been the good clients! Alas, it also helps to perpetuate the pervasive thought that all men who see SP's are immoral.
I don't blame her either for how she felt, I just wish it hadn't been stated publicly and unequivocally like this.

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It does seem like there's an agenda behind the interview but I don't think she should be called a liar. It's despicable that people are insinuating this. She was a victim.

I don't think it's good to portray all clients as bad either but calling girls who experience abuse liars doesn't exactly make a client look good.

Lunaseraphim said:

It does seem like there's an agenda behind the interview but I don't think she should be called a liar. It's despicable that people are insinuating this. She was a victim.

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100%. There's a lot of trauma there, which is what led to her framing of it, I suspect.

Hors sujet mais maudit que Marie-Ève Tremblay est cute.

TheJames101 said:

100%. There's a lot of trauma there, which is what led to her framing of it, I suspect.

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I agree.. but that doesn't mean she didn't experience this type of thing.

A lot of girls I know who worked for agencies told me similar things.. at first they got the worst clients particularly when they were young.. and some agency and spa owners never ban clients unless something really bad happens. That enables certain types of behavior in my opinion.

That doesn't mean all clients who visit MP and agencies are bad tho. I just think it's something to be conscious of. Generally in this industry whether you're indy or work for a spa or agency if you're new, if you're young and/or vulnerable, you will unfortunately attract a lot of bad clients. If you seem desperate or have bad reviews, the same happens. That's also why a lot of providers get bad experiences during slower months.

I'm not saying this to frame the entire industry as bad. I just think it would be good if certain clients reconsidered their opinions and how they proceed and if they were more lenient on workers. I'll repeat it again : decriminalization would also help solve these problems

Shitty clients also talk. If they notice a naive and passive and vulnerable girl who's easy to manipulate and push, they may recommend her to each other. It's happened to me

hob12 said:

Hors sujet mais maudit que Marie-Ève Tremblay est cute.

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Truly the definition of hors sujet in this case.

Lunaseraphim said:

It does seem like there's an agenda behind the interview but I don't think she should be called a liar. It's despicable that people are insinuating this. She was a victim.

I don't think it's good to portray all clients as bad either but calling girls who experience abuse liars doesn't exactly make a client look good.

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That is the problem with the media. There is so much bias. All SWs are portrayed as victims and all clients are predators. You know this is not true but to the layman who is not in it they will believe biased sensationalist stories.

Lunaseraphim said:

It does seem like there's an agenda behind the interview but I don't think she should be called a liar. It's despicable that people are insinuating this. She was a victim.

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Unfortunately, when women come forward about the SW industry there seems to be pressure to paint themselves as completely naive and innocent in the process. It's similar with ex-pornstars, they were 100% innocent, coerced by a morally reprehensible industry, and taken advantage of by evil male pigs. If they ever admitted that they knew sex would be involved and wanted to make money, many would dismiss their abuse because "they were asking for it". It doesn't excuse the abuse at all, but there are lots of motives to embellish the story and hide their own transgressions.

Salut tout le monde, je pense qu’aucun propriétaire d’agence ne veut écrire parce que c’est un sujet délicat. Pour être dans le business depuis très longtemps, je peux vous dire qu’aucune fille n’est forcée de travailler dans les agences (du moins ceux que j’ai connus personnellement au fil des années). Les filles sont décident elles-mêmes leurs horaires. Elles décident la durée des pauses qu’elles veulent entre les clients et le nombre de clients qu’elles veulent voir. Que les filles veulent voir 3 clients ou 12 on respect leur choix. Si elles veulent une pause d’une heure au milieu du shift pour manger et relaxer, on le fait sans problème. Les filles décident également le nombre de jours qu’elles travaillent.

Si une fille dit au milieu de son shift qu’elle veut partir parce qu’elle ne va pas bien on ne la force pas à rester. Soyez honnête, combien de clients se sont faits cancel un rendez-vous parce que la fille ne se sentait pas bien? Dès qu’une fille demande de bloquer un client on le fait directement et on demande une raison à la fille pour laisser des notes. Ce n’est pas parce qu’une fille a bloqué un client qu’il est automatiquement bloqué de l’agence, ça dépend de la raison. Si une fille me dit qu’un client a fait bareback, il est bloqué automatiquement de l’agence et son numéro est également partagé avec d’autres agences pour éviter au maximum qu’il fasse la même chose ailleurs!

Si la raison est parce que ça n’a pas cliqué ou que cette journée là le client puait, je le bloque seulement pour cette fille et mets une note. Si d’autres filles font des plaintes pour les mêmes raisons, le client est bloqué de l’agence. La job est déjà assez difficile pour les filles sans en plus leur imposer des clients qu’elles ne veulent pas voir. Chaque fille qui fait se travaille devrait le faire pour les bonnes raisons et se respecter la dedans. Si une fille n’est pas bien quelque part je l’invite fortement à changer de d’agence et à essayer quelque part d’autre. Pour les clients qui agissent en trou du cul parce qu’ils payent et qui pensent avoir tous les droits sur les filles, je vous prierais de vous louer un porno à la place de booker une fille. C’est à cause des rares clients comme vous que l’industrie est mal vue. Si un client est bloqué de l’agence NON on ne le prend pas pour une fille qui n’a pas de client ça ne fait aucun sens ce commentaire que j’ai lu. Les clients sont bloqués pour une raison alors on ne les débloque pas (Sauf quelques exceptions pour la raison du blocage comme rdv cancel last min plusieurs fois. Si le client paye le temps qu’il a fait perdre à la fille alors on le débloque et laisse une note). Je précise par rapport à ça que quand un client paye un rdv que la fille a son argent! C’est très important pour moi que les filles soient payées pour le temps booker parce qu’un autre client aurait pu prendre la place que vous avez pris.

Pour ce qui est des frais de retard entre les clients? Je n’ai jamais entendu parler de ça de ma vie. Est-ce qu’une fille peut être chargée 20$ si elle arrive en retard au début de son shift? Oui c’est déjà arrivé! Je peux compter sur mes doigts le nombre de fois ou c’est arrivé, ce n’est pas quelque chose de courant. Si une fille est en retard chaque shift ou la majorité du temps et que le client attend en bas ce n’est ni respectueux ni professionnel. La mèche est très très longue avant de charger 20$ pour ça. On parle de plus de 20 avertissements. Si cette fille travaillait dans une job conventionnelle les retards ne seraient pas tolérés. Est-ce que c’est pour profiter de faire 20$ de plus sur le dos de la fille? AUCUNEMENT! C’est pour mettre un message clair sur la ponctualité parce que ce n’est pas professionnel d’être toujours en retard. Plusieurs clients book en fonction de leur propre horaire et c’est difficile quand les filles sont en retard pour eux et vice versa. Les quelques filles, qui ont été chargées pour retard, ont compris avec le frais (je précise que 20$ on a une grappe de banane et une douzaine d’œuf maintenant avec ça donc ce n’est pas beaucoup) qu’elles devaient être à l’heure. Donc pour 20$ après 20 avertissements (et parfois crédit donné aux clients au frais de l’agence) les filles commencent à être à l’heure (ce qui est le but précis de charger ce 20$, d’avoir des filles ponctuelles).

Pour les cancelations des filles, c’est la même chose, si une fille cancel rarement, on a aucun problème avec ça, des imprévus ça arrive. Si une fille cancel chaque semaine avec des millions d’excuses et que les clients ont fait leur horaires justement en fonction des filles alors oui on met un frais de cancel (encore là s’il y a un frais c’est parce que la fille a cancel un nombre incalculable de fois avant!). Si une fille cancel pour un ITS on demande une preuve de résultat et on l’enlève de l’horaire jusqu'à ce qu’elle soit guérit. Avec les résultats positifs on écrit aux clients qu’elle a vu qui sont à risque de l’avoir et c’est leur responsabilité de contacter les autres agences pour dire qu’ils sont positifs pour que l’agence en question fasse le suivi avec les filles qu’ils ont vu. Est-ce que c’est risqué? Oui! C’est gfe, donc c’est sur que chaque fille et chaque client cours un risque a chaque rendez-vous. Si vous ne voulez pas de risque, n’embrassez pas, ne léchez pas son vagin et utilisez un condom pour la fellation.

Pour ce qui à rapport aux violences aux filles, les rares cas que j’ai été au courant ont tous fini à la police (la plupart du temps c’est avec les indépendantes que ça arrive malheureusement). Les agences ont tous de la protection prête à intervenir en cas de problème. S’il y avait vraiment eu de telles violences comme le dit le reportage ça aurait été fermé depuis longtemps. Je ne suis pas fan de XO, pas du tout même, mais je connais plusieurs filles qui viennent de là et avec le reportage on est loin, très loin de la réalité. Selon des sources sûres, la fille du reportage a inventé cette histoire parce que son père a su qu’elle était escorte et que c’était son échappatoire pour le jugement de ses proches. Réfléchissez une minute svp, les policiers lui auraient redonné son téléphone après des mois sans extraire les informations? En fait ils ont vu qu’elle était consentante, qu’elle savait ce qu’elle faisait. Je ne suis pas entrain de défendre XO vraiment pas, mais je défends l’industrie. XO a été pénible avec les filles, la drogue et des violes de filles que j’ai entendu dire, mais on parle de quelques mois ou un an avant la fermeture. Si on recule en 2021 XO était ‘’correct’’. Samuel est le seul responsable de la déchéance de son agence. Ce ne sont pas les employés, qui à ce que j’ai entendu, n’étaient pas au courant de tout ce qui se passait à l’agence.

Au cours de mes années dans l’industrie, j’ai aidé quelques filles qui avaient un pimp. J’ai été personnellement au poste de police avec les filles en questions pour les aider à ce sortir de là. Il y a une grosse différence entre un pimp qui profite des filles, de leurs vulnérabilités et qui prennent tous leur argent. Ceux qui considèrent les agences comme des pimp j’ai encore une question pour vous. Avez-vous une job normal? Oui? Alors est ce que vous vous considérez pimper? Non? Si vous travaillez pour la compagnie Maxi et que vous vendez 20 laitue en 1 heure, ce que donne 120$ (C’est un exemple prière de ne pas me parler du prix merci) et que sur ce 120$ vous êtes payé 15$ ça semble correct pour vous right? Si vous vendez un service sexuel pour une compagnie en 1 heure, ce qui donne 270$ et que vous êtes payés 200$ ça ne semble pas correcte selon vous? Si vous ne voulez pas être l’employé de quelqu’un (peu importe le domaine) vous devez partir votre propre compagnie. À ce moment là vous aurez vous-même des employés et c’est une roue qui tourne à l’infini parce que selon votre vision vous serez rendu un pimp.



Sur ce, est-ce qu’il y a encore place à l’amélioration dans l’industrie? Oui! Est-ce qu’il faut croire tout ce que vous lisez? Non! Pour la protection maximale des filles, toutes les agences devraient s’entraider justement en dénonçant les clients dangereux ou potentiellement dangereux. Est-ce que le business devrait être légalisé? Oui à 100%. Si le gouvernement a légalisé le weed (qui n’est pas essentiel) alors oui selon moi ça devrait être légalisé parce que tout le monde a besoin de contact humain dans la vie pour se sentir bien. Bonne journée et j’espère avoir répondu à vos questions. Maintenant si vous voulez fermer ce thread qui ne fini plus ça serait le temps! Merci

chiff209 said:

Unfortunately, when women come forward about the SW industry there seems to be pressure to paint themselves as completely naive and innocent in the process. It's similar with ex-pornstars, they were 100% innocent, coerced by a morally reprehensible industry, and taken advantage of by evil male pigs. If they ever admitted that they knew sex would be involved and wanted to make money, many would dismiss their abuse because "they were asking for it". It doesn't excuse the abuse at all, but there are lots of motives to embellish the story and hide their own transgressions.

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I agree with you, but that doesn't mean everything is a lie. To me it's perfectly realistic that she joined seeking arrangements without knowing she would have to have sex with men, because a lot of girls I know made that mistake. Some ended up in the sex industry later, some just put that idea aside.

You as a viewer need to understand nuances. Her experience was bad.

hob12 said:

Hors sujet mais maudit que Marie-Ève Tremblay est cute.

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Elle me fait un peu penser à Marilou Bourdon, elles pourraient être cousines genre