The Bitching thread

Lunaseraphim said:

.it seems like the situation above is about a substantial amount of money. It sounds like a complicated and unfortunate situation for both parties.

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Fradi said:

It is only unfortunate for the guy who paid for something that was accepted and he did not receive.
Why try to spin a dishonest person. You do not spend something that you have not earned.
None of you have any trouble denouncing and calling a client a scumbag who cancels at the last minute and doesn’t pay cancellation charges but when the shoe is on the other foot it is a complicated situation lol.

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Blackitlightning said:

Exactly, I fully agree with this.

Let me add more to the story then. When we initially booked, I told her that my area is RURAL, meaning NO ONE comes here. Hence the DMTY. She said she still accepts and will treat it as a sort of vacation. But she ended up postponing because she said no one is booking her for the dates she posted. I had to laugh to myself because I had already warned her of this. She wanted to push the meeting back by a month to try and meet summer clients and I accepted (this is why I dont usually inconvenience myself to help people). Then she still didnt get anyone because, again, my area is quite RURAL(which I pointed out from day 1!). So she fully cancelled and said she would send the money in two parts, 1 week apart. I was like ?????? But I said ok. Then her situation happened a few days later and here we are. And the half I got back, I have had to be on her neck to have gotten it back. And on her neck meaning I texted her once a week. I wasnt even texting her everyday. She has not honored the repayment agreement none at all.

I agree it's always "complicated" when the client is to get their money but not when the SP is to be paid. When I receive money from clients for a business I used to have, I would not touch that money until the client received their product. That is simple principle. Then having the audacity to question my intentions of wanting to meet in the 1st place, saying I am or commenting that I must need the money.

Still awaiting an SP to say she uses I.O.U.s, especially for new clients.

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AirBo said:

Is it just me or there seems to be a lot of complaining around in various threads? Might be the holiday season...

I figured it'd be nice to have an "all in" thread where people can just bitch about stuff while, hopefully, remain somewhat respectful.

I can start with a few points, some of which have been brought up elsewhere, by me and others:

1- GFE is not GFE anymore: I stated before that, now, you have to double check about the DFK and DATY parts before booking with an agency, but if the trend continues, you'll have to double check the BBBJ (or just plain BJ) part as well in 2024.​

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2- Physical ratings are inflated: I, personally, will refrain from rating SPs I see on their physical attributes. First of all, because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but mostly because most people seem to have lost their minds (or balls) when giving high grades. The only example I'll give is this:​

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- 10 means perfect, 10 means dream girl. 10 means unattainable. Maybe 5 SPs in Montreal are truly 10s.​

- 5 means average, and there's quite a few floating around.​

- In between, you'll find the GND types (6 & 7) and the hot / really hot ones (8 & 9)​

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By giving 10s left and right, you lose credibility by creating false expectations, hence disappointment.​

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3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.​

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4- Indy rates: I get it... you got expenses and you're worth it. What's funny though is that at this price (and, dare I say, age) range, your targeted audience is a lot smaller. And from what I see, there seems to be more and more competition in the Indy market. I'm pretty sure some (most?) of you find that times are somewhat difficult. 450+$ per hour? Add another 50$ for Outcall with a minimum booking of 1.5h? Really?​

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I could go on and on. I could talk about Screening, LeoList, false stats on agency websites, etc.

Agencies, Indies, Clients... everyone bears part of the blame. But that's the hobby we live in at the dawn of 2024.

Fortunately for me, I found my sweet spot. I should be fine.

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There you go... I started it

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Blackitlightning said:

When I receive money from clients for a business I used to have, I would not touch that money until the client received their product. That is simple principle.

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Delicateyumi said:

Maybe it’s time for a review? I’m surprised you got any money back.

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Blackitlightning said:

a well established SP

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twenty4seven said:

Agreed. Not sure what the point of vagueposting about a provider that screwed you over without naming them? Put it in their review thread. If it's a one-off, and everyone else has had flawless experiences them, then it probably won't affect her much and it might spurn action on her part to pay you back. If it's an on-going thing, and others have faced a similar situation with this provider, then you'll be saving other people from the same fate.

Reviews come in all shapes and sizes, even for

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Delicateyumi said:

Maybe it’s time for a review? I’m surprised you got any money back.

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Goddess Maple said:

It's the most respectful way to do it. I'm a SP with chronic illnesses and sadly, I have to cancel a couple of times. But, I ALWAYS put the deposits in a specific bank account before the appointment so it stays there if I have to cancel and give it back. Like you said, simple principle. My policy is that if I'm the one being canceled on, I keep the money and if I'm the one who is canceling, they have it back as soon as they see the canceling message.
I'm someone who is really transparent so I take the time to explain what's happening and how my situation impacts me. Thankfully, everyone has been understanding and comprehensive yet. They get their money back instantly and they appreciate my transparency so they tend to book again, which I deeply apprecia

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Goddess Maple said:

It's the most respectful way to do it. I'm a SP with chronic illnesses and sadly, I have to cancel a couple of times. But, I ALWAYS put the deposits in a specific bank account before the appointment so it stays there if I have to cancel and give it back. Like you said, simple principle. My policy is that if I'm the one being canceled on, I keep the money and if I'm the one who is canceling, they have it back as soon as they see the canceling message.
I'm someone who is really transparent so I take the time to explain what's happening and how my situation impacts me. Thankfully, everyone has been understanding and comprehensive yet. They get their money back instantly and they appreciate my transparency so they tend to book again, which I deeply appreciate.

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Delicateyumi said:

He posted about it back in June…we’re in August, I think it would be fair for him to post a review about it lol.

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urquell said:

If you continue to pay deposits most people will be fine but some people will screw you. That's how it works, unless you limit your interactions to a very select group of people. You are guaranteed to lose deposits again in the future if you pay them to whoever asks for them. Maybe 90% of the people you interact with will be fine, but you are still going to lose money at some point. You either just shrug your shoulders and decide that that's the cost of doing business, in which case you should stop worrying about it entirely and be philosophical when it happens, or simply stop paying deposits. Whichever decision you make will be the best one for you. There isn't a wide consensus here on which way is the best way to go and it comes up frequently.

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urquell said:

I get a fair number of people writing to me and asking me questions about this, that and the other thing. I'm pretty laid back generally and will usually answer questions even if the asker is a lurker or has no or little posting history or whatever. I may not give as complete an answer as I might do in some back channel conversation but I will try to provide either useful information or guidance of some kind if I can, no matter who's asking. I usually feel that it's the job of people on this board to help and support others, as it is on other board, so anything reasonable, etc.,etc. etc. Having said that, if you're a 15 year member of this board, that I've never interacted with before, with just a handful of posts, and you write to me "I want you to tell me A,B and C. thanks" as the entirety of your message, without any kind of introduction, social niceties or anything that could be construed by anyone as being either courteous or respectful of a stranger from whom you wish to obtain help and information, then you can absolutely fuck right off.

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