Euphoria agency in the news

Fradi · Friday at 7:43 PM

Nothing will change.
An agency will close down a new one will open.
The way of reporting is always the same. All women are portrayed as victims and men as predators this is what sells.

Indies will continue and so will agencies but it is always best to be cautious and to do your homework as LE might step up investigations and stings for a while and then it will die down and things will go back to normal and we will have the yearly fan fare during the F1.

TheDougler · Friday at 8:01 PM

cram_marc said:
Read the following update from the "Enquête" report:
La Presse

https://www.lapresse.ca
Le SPVM bonifie ses ressources en lutte à l'exploitation sexuelle

Well I guess they'll be cracking down then more than we thought

elganja · Friday at 8:07 PM

cram_marc said:
Read the following update from the "Enquête" report:
La Presse

https://www.lapresse.ca
Le SPVM bonifie ses ressources en lutte à l'exploitation sexuelle

It is specified " sexual explotation of minors"

Decepticon · Friday at 8:31 PM

Halloween Mike said:
I am sure the journalist who did this story is reading the board today and probably enjoy reading us. Kinda like throwing a rock in a fishpound and all the fishes start to panic and move all over the place.

While this will not kill the oldest profession in the world, it certainly will lead to changes and adaptation and these are rarely for the best.

I know they will never show the other side and all the good this business does for both providers and clients. For that tough we can be grateful to the Sonia Von Sacher of this world and such.

Why do those stupid journalists keep writing articles that undermine an ancient industry that dates back to primitive times?

Prostitution exists under every regime: capitalist, communist, theocratic, monarchist, and even in an anarchist state

Alicemay · Friday at 8:32 PM

kevinsmith said:
Not sure why
I believe ALL the agency do

Every sex worker does it’s a way to keep track

CLOUD 500 · Friday at 8:37 PM

Decepticon said:
Why do those stupid journalists keep writing articles that undermine an ancient industry that dates back to primitive times?

Bait and click. They give the viewers what they want. It sells.

Lunaseraphim · Friday at 8:46 PM

I think it's important to remember that even if sex workers are technically viewed as "victims" in this system we are not looked at with kind eyes by these people. There are no "feminists" coming to our rescue and taking us out of the industry lol this is just simply not true. Clients are also not victims.

The government simply doesn't care that much about sex workers and their clients. That's the truth. They see us as trash. Nobody actually wants to "save us" and we don't want to be saved. We want better laws that's all.

If anything this "documentary" proved that even victims of violence in this industry and all sex workers are almost used like circus animals by the media. It's a farce. It's fucking embarassing. If most clients are that cruel, then we must be crazy and masochistic for staying there... Honestly it's just not the truth.

CaptRenault · Friday at 8:54 PM

cram_marc said:
Read the following update from the "Enquête" report:
La Presse

https://www.lapresse.ca

After reading that article, I am a little more pessimistic about the future of the escort business in Montreal. While the shutdown of XO and Euphoria may not be direct results of the "government action plan on sexual exploitation" that is referred to in the article, it seems like the momentum is shifting in the battle between the prostitution abolitionists and supporters of a tolerant attitude towards the industry. The abolitionists have now tasted blood and they want more and they have been given more resources to pursue their goals. While they say they want to mainly stop any negative industry practices (underage girls, pimping, violence, etc.), they really want to abolish prostitution completely or greatly diminish the size of the industry.

The agency model of business is the most vulnerable to attack by the abolitionists. The Enquete episode provides the perfect script for how to shut down an agency. The police, the press and abolitionist groups such as CLES do not have to shut down every agency. They just have to harass, intimidate and scare the owners, escorts and clients of a few high profile agencies and that will kill off most of the agencies. This is what happened to the agency business in most states of the U.S. including the state where I live in the southeast.

However, it's probably impossible to kill off the indy business and it may even help the indy business by making it the only acceptable way to operate. Some girls who now work in agencies will switch to indy but many agency girls are either not interested in working as an indy or not really capable of running their own business. The result will be lower supply, higher prices and much less convenient booking procedures for the client.

I hope I'm wrong about all this, but it feels like a new era is dawning in the sex business in Montreal.

Lunaseraphim · Friday at 8:57 PM

CaptRenault said:
After reading that article, I am a little more pessimistic about the future of the escort business in Montreal. While the shutdown of XO and Euphoria may not be direct results of the "government action plan on sexual exploitation" that is referred to in the article, it seems like the momentum is shifting in the battle between the prostitution abolitionists and supporters of a tolerant attitude towards the industry. The abolitionists have now tasted blood and they want more and they have been given more resources to pursue their goals. While they say they want to mainly stop any negative industry practices (underage girls, pimping, violence, etc.), they really want to abolish prostitution completely or greatly diminish the size of the industry.

The agency model of business is the most vulnerable to attack by the abolitionists. The Enquete episode provides the perfect script for how to shut down an agency. The police, the press and abolitionist groups such as CLES do not have to shut down every agency. They just have to harass, intimidate and scare the owners, escorts and clients of a few high profile agencies and that will kill off most of the agencies. This is what happened to the agency business in most states of the U.S. including the state where I live in the southeast.

However, it's probably impossible to kill off the indy business and it may even help the indy business by making it the only acceptable way to operate. Some girls who now work in agencies will switch to indy but many agency girls are either not interested in working as an indy or not really capable of running their own business. The result will be lower supply, higher prices and much less convenient booking procedures for the client.

I hope I'm wrong about all this, but it feels like a new era is dawning in the sex business in Montreal.

It's really hard to be independent in this industry.. it's simply not that easy. It's like having your own business... I don't feel "helped" as an Indy that agencies are targeted. I actually feel worried.

Lunaseraphim · Friday at 8:59 PM

JLMontreal said:
I have a few observations regarding this topic that I find interesting:

The way they frame the situation in their "investigation", is that many of the girls are basically manipulated by agency bosses to join and stay and take 100s of clients, now we see most of them seeking to join new agencies by themselves in less than 24 hrs since their agency closed, so this basically contradicts the story that they are being forced to do this job.

A second interesting point is that if it was necessary to literally mention the exact locations of the condos, this makes me think this was somehow specifically targeted at euphoria.... Like why they did not censor that information.i mean it is not a secret as any person can fake a booking request and get them, but why specifically mentioned it during the video???

(So my theory is that police will not persue anyone from euphoria but they are somehow saying hey we know where you meet and we know how the system works, to discourage people from using agencies)

Also they claim they are doing this to help the girls in the industry, however they are then exposing the pictures of their bodies in massive communication media.. is that ethical?? I know the faces are blurred in the pics and is public information in the web but then if they really care about the girls, why expose photos of their bodies without consent.

It's highly unethical like I said from what I'm seeing they are making a joke out of this and they harmed a bunch of people. I wish they realized that we are real people lol

Halloween Mike · Friday at 9:10 PM

Decepticon said:
Why do those stupid journalists keep writing articles that undermine an ancient industry that dates back to primitive times?

Prostitution exists under every regime: capitalist, communist, theocratic, monarchist, and even in an anarchist state

Because it gives them clicks.

Its like drugs. No matter how you look at it drugs always existed. You better try to limit and control it rather than be harsh punitive on it. I think Trudeau was 85% trash as Prime Minister but legalizing Weed was his one good move. And im saying this as someone wich last joint was over 10 years ago.

Yes im a user of prostitution. Im bious i guess. But i prefer it to be done the right way rather than cohertion by pimps and such.

And im sorry but the indy way ain't the only way because as its been said by escorts themselves in this thread not every escort can manage the "indy way". Its a lot of work and not every woman is ready for this.

Unrelated but i am curious to hear @Julia Sky opinion. I didn't see you post on it. I would like to see your opinion.

Halloween Mike · Friday at 9:20 PM

Lunaseraphim said:
The government simply doesn't care that much about sex workers and their clients. That's the truth. They see us as trash. Nobody actually wants to "save us" and we don't want to be saved. We want better laws that's all.

And i agree 100%. I always said it, i am grateful i found this business. Otherwise what would be my life? It brings me joy and happyness and i always tried to "return it". Do i have "kinks"? Yes sure. I enjoy cim...i enjoy cof. Never hidden it. But i would never push it on a provider. If they wanna do it yes i love it. If not its ok i accept it. I try to make sure my time with them is respectful and while im not exactly a stud physically (lol) at least i can be a nice guy?

Its just the base of the whole thing imo. RESPECT

elganja · Friday at 9:21 PM

CaptRenault said:
After reading that article, I am a little more pessimistic about the future of the escort business in Montreal. While the shutdown of XO and Euphoria may not be direct results of the "government action plan on sexual exploitation" that is referred to in the article, it seems like the momentum is shifting in the battle between the prostitution abolitionists and supporters of a tolerant attitude towards the industry. The abolitionists have now tasted blood and they want more and they have been given more resources to pursue their goals. While they say they want to mainly stop any negative industry practices (underage girls, pimping, violence, etc.), they really want to abolish prostitution completely or greatly diminish the size of the industry.

I've read the article for the third time and i draw another conclusion. It referred specificaly at a plan created months ago to follow the recommandations on the report of " La Commission spéciale sur l'exploitation des mineures" from 2020. FROM 2020!!! It took them over 6 years to put something in place on a subject so important and was coming from a official commission lasting months and touring major Quebec cities. Agencies are the least of their concern unless they are dealing with minors. I.e XO. They are presently spining it in medias so they look like "on the job".

New Account · Friday at 9:58 PM

It seems that the investigation reeks of selection bias, where only violent/horrible experiences are reported but non-violent proper experiences are left out. If their aim was to really improve the conditions of the industry, then they would have done a better job of journalistic integrity, meaning proper sampling methods where all kinds of experiences of sex workers are equally represented. But as it is, to me, this looks like just another attempt to banish the identity of sex workers or to stamp out the notion of sex work as a chosen expression by attempting to condition viewers' minds to connect it solely to violence. Of course, the violent aspects experienced by sex workers should be actively highlighted and combatted but an investigation that demonstrates an underrepresentation of experiences or voices is not truly an impartial investigation and fails in its feigned endeavours to protect anyone. If anything, it only reveals an ulterior motive. It does not seek to improve. It seeks to invalidate and exclude. This is not surprising, however. Radio-Canada is a highly biased sensationalist media corporation and not just on the subject of sex work.

Decepticon · Friday at 10:15 PM

CLOUD 500 said:
Bait and click. They give the viewers what they want. It sells.

Keep dropping the bait, and the consequences will be just like Charlie Hebdo; hundreds of sex workers in Montreal will throw thousands of used condoms at the Radio-Canada building for daring to ruin their livelihood

One girl from euphoria told me “If I keep working and paying taxes to Revenue Quebec, I'll never be able to buy a house by the time I'm 25."

CaptRenault · Friday at 10:25 PM

New Account said:
Radio-Canada is a highly biased sensationalist capitalist media corporation and not just on the subject of sex work.

"Capitalist media corporation"?

Where are you from?

Radio Canada is an official news (propaganda?) agency of the Canadian government. 65% of its funding comes from the government.

How could anyone who is even a little familiar with Canada not know this?

New Account · Friday at 10:37 PM

CaptRenault said:
"Capitalist media corporation"?

Where are you from?

Radio Canada is an official news (propaganda?) agency of the Canadian government. 65% of its funding comes from the government.

How could anyone who is even a little familiar with Canada not know this?

Apologies. I misspoke. It is a crown corporation. So, technically, still a corporation that competes with other capitalist corporations for views and clicks. Technically, it may not be capitalist per se but it still operates inside a capitalist market.

CaptRenault · Friday at 10:43 PM

The leaders and PR hacks of the abolitionist nonprofits that make their living from government grants and public donations are moving into full moral panic mode.

Here is a Google translation of the latest article from Radio Canada.

Les victimes du Dr Bashour invitées à se manifester

Les révélations de l’émission Enquête font réagir la profession médicale et les organismes qui luttent contre l'exploitation sexuelle.

ici.radio-canada.ca

The revelations of the program Enquête concerning Dr. Mounir Bashour , this 57-year-old eye surgeon who has allegedly been active for years in the world of luxury prostitution, have prompted reactions from the professional orders to which he is affiliated, as well as organizations that fight against sexual exploitation.

The College of Physicians, through its president Mauril Gaudreault, stated that it had reviewed the full report broadcast yesterday and is taking the reported facts very seriously . Verifications are underway, and alleged victims are encouraged to come forward, Dr. Gaudreault added.

The Quebec Federation of Medical Specialists stated that yesterday's revelations are serious and deeply shocking . It expressed confidence in the competent authorities, particularly the College of Physicians, to take the necessary steps and will follow their conclusions to the letter .

Dr. Bashour's employer, Lasik MD, immediately reacted to the revelations of the Enquête program yesterday by suspending the doctor until further notice due to the seriousness of the allegations .
The victims are encouraged to come forward.
At this stage, the doctor is not facing any legal charges, although Commander Frédéric Martineau, head of the unit responsible for combating sexual exploitation atSPVMhe revealed on Friday, during an interview withRDI, that he was the subject of an investigation.

According to information revealed during the Enquête program, Dr. Bashour has been acting for several years as a recruiter, agency manager and consumer of sexual services.

The doctor's name attracted the attention of journalists who were reviewing short documents relating to the dismantling of another escort agency, named XO, last winter.

He [Mounir Bashour] has already been the subject of an investigation, and it is not set in stone. It is ongoing.

A quote fromFrédéric Martineau, head of the sexual exploitation section at the SPVM
Mr. Martineau said he hoped the broadcast of the report would encourage other victims to report similar incidents. He urged them to contact the police.

Receiving a complaint from a sex worker greatly facilitates the work of investigators, he added. It provides a starting point, shows us how things work, and allows us to align the investigation with other victims.
Frédéric Martineau reminded everyone that the purchase of sexual services is illegal in Canada, and that this offense can be compounded by charges of assault and sexual assault.

Several women told Enquête journalists that they had suffered violence at the hands of Dr. Bashour, nicknamed Doctor Vampire by one of his victims.

In a statement, the Coalition Against Sexual Exploitation salutes the courage of those who testified and expresses its thoughts for all those for whom the report will arouse strong emotions.

Thanks to this program, the public was able to acknowledge what we have been seeing every day for over 20 years: an industry that operates with complete impunity, in Montreal, but also in several other regions of Quebec.

A quote fromExcerpt from a press release by the Coalition Against Sexual Exploitation
One among many others
As Lyne Collette, clinical coordinator for La Sortie, an organization that helps women who are victims of sexual exploitation and trafficking, points out, these revelations are indeed not a surprise.

As the years go by, more and more horror stories are present because the violence is worse, the atrocities are greater, she observes.

He's just one among many. The pimp could be your neighbor, your cousin, your brother. They're very nice, it's not written on their faces.

A quote fromLyne Collette, clinical coordinator for La Sortie
This view is shared by the Coalition Against Sexual Exploitation, which emphasizes that the situation shown in the Enquête report is neither an exception nor an anomaly.

There aren't two kinds of clients, the good ones and the others. There's a system. And this system exists because, every day in Quebec, men from all social classes shop around for sexual services, this organization points out.

Increasingly younger
The women who seek help from La Sortie come from diverse backgrounds and all walks of life, reports Lyne Collette. She also notes that they are increasingly younger, 14, 15 years old, and that young boys are also involved.

Pimps recruit escorts on social media, she explains. The young women fall in love. He [the pimp] will charm her, listen to her, buy her all sorts of things. He will flatter her until he desensitizes her, and then the violence kicks in and they experience atrocities.

For her, more resources are needed to combat this phenomenon. There must be more subsidies, more buildings to house women. We must give them tools, implement prevention programs in schools. We must continue to move forward because yesterday's crimes are not today's crimes, she insists.

Leaving prostitution is not just an individual matter. It is a choice we must make as a society, adds Jennie-Laure Sully, coordinator at the Coalition Against Sexual Exploitation.

It is possible to get out of this situation, as shown by the journey of several women who came to La Sortie seeking help, where they can benefit from accommodation and long-term support.

Lyne Collette has seen several return to school to become peer supporters and then join her intervention team, to give back.

They come here to acquire residential stability. They can settle down, rebuild their lives, and regain control over their lives.

A quote fromLyne Collette, clinical coordinator for La Sortie
La Sortie is also there for those who choose to remain in the community and who need a listening ear, advice, or to be accompanied to the hospital, she explains. A telephone helpline is available 24/7.

More resources for the police
Commander Frédéric Martineau specifies that additional financial resources were allocated to the fight against sexual exploitation by the Ministry of Internal Security last spring.

Starting next week, theSPVM will have 15 new resources within its sexual exploitation section, which currently includes nearly fifty investigators divided into specialized teams, squads that fight against pimping and child pornography.

They will help to intensify the fight against sexual exploitation, particularly on the island of Montreal.

“We will be more effective, both in supporting victims and in tackling the pimps who exploit them, the clients who abuse them, as well as the predators who operate online,” said Commander Martineau in a statement released Friday.

minutemenX · Friday at 10:46 PM

CaptRenault said:
After reading that article, I am a little more pessimistic about the future of the escort business in Montreal. While the shutdown of XO and Euphoria may not be direct results of the "government action plan on sexual exploitation" that is referred to in the article, it seems like the momentum is shifting in the battle between the prostitution abolitionists and supporters of a tolerant attitude towards the industry. The abolitionists have now tasted blood and they want more and they have been given more resources to pursue their goals. While they say they want to mainly stop any negative industry practices (underage girls, pimping, violence, etc.), they really want to abolish prostitution completely or greatly diminish the size of the industry.

The agency model of business is the most vulnerable to attack by the abolitionists. The Enquete episode provides the perfect script for how to shut down an agency. The police, the press and abolitionist groups such as CLES do not have to shut down every agency. They just have to harass, intimidate and scare the owners, escorts and clients of a few high profile agencies and that will kill off most of the agencies. This is what happened to the agency business in most states of the U.S. including the state where I live in the southeast.

However, it's probably impossible to kill off the indy business and it may even help the indy business by making it the only acceptable way to operate. Some girls who now work in agencies will switch to indy but many agency girls are either not interested in working as an indy or not really capable of running their own business. The result will be lower supply, higher prices and much less convenient booking procedures for the client.

I hope I'm wrong about all this, but it feels like a new era is dawning in the sex business in Montreal.

My prediction is that we will soon see the appearance of the businesses that imitate "indies" by providing per hour renting, booking, security and transportation as different entities for each of these tasks abolishing the formal "hiring" process. Much less risk for each business at the expense of the diminished security for girls and clients.

jossh · Friday at 10:53 PM

Apres le reportage jsuis quand meme choquee et jpense jvais arreter les agences

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