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MONTREAL - A 13-year-old Côte des Neiges girl who went missing Friday evening was found by police in the hotel room of a man who had allegedly lured her over the internet.

When police interviewed her parents after they declared her missing at 5:30 p.m., they indicated their daughter had been spending a lot of time chatting over the internet, police said.

Police checked her computer and found the girl had spent several months chatting with 31-year-old man from Belgium. Subsequent investigations revealed that man had been in Montreal for the last two days.

An island-wide police operation was launched to find out which hotel room the man was staying at. The man was finally located hours later in a hotel on St. Hubert St. The girl was inside the room with him.

The man was arrested an will likely be charged with luring, police said.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=7af3d5d5-8826-49fc-a453-5faecdc8debc
 
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Hello Doc,

Obviously, given the story as published, the guy is despicable. Still, I wonder what the 13 year old girl could have been thinking since she must have been aware by now about all the stories concerning internet predators. Whatever was in her head would probably be more fascinating than anything else. I doubt that will ever be truly known.

Strange,

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Police - A Job Well Done.

Congratulations to the police on a job well done. With speed and efficiency
they arrested a predator and seem to have limited the damages.

Saddened to see that this thread has deteriorated from the original post where we had a report of the efficient capture of a predator to one where posters without any academic credentials speculate on the mindset of minors, age of legality, focusing more on the victim's role than on stopping the sexual exploitation of minors.
 

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Hello all,

Sad to see that a very bitter and vengeful person has to piss and moan at someone in every thread he posts instead of just offering a viewpoint. I am sure every intelligent person can recognize that there are two or three clear legitimate issues here. The mindset of the alleged predator, the mindset of the alleged victim, and the effectiveness of law enforcement. To call an attempt to address any of those a deterioration of the thread is either due to limitations of perception or deliberate antagonism.

really,

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Daringly said:
Korbel,

To a small percentage of young people it does not matter how often they are warned about this sort of thing. They are naive enough to believe that they can identify what is real and what isn't. The majority of times they are right and it is somebody there own age that they are talking to
but when they are wrong it can have deadly consequences. It is human nature to believe bad things will never happen to me it will always be the other guy.
Hello Daringly,

Personally, I call the belief that "bads things will never happen to me" the Superman Syndrome. It is extremely prevalent among teenagers and young adults. I think you also have it right when you say "they are naive enough to believe they can identify what is real". Unfortunately, that can be true for anyone at any age when there are deep needs that feel grossly unfulfilled. Among the younger, especially teens, such emptiness can combine with desperation to make them so vulnerable to anyone willing to fill the emotional void that the ability to distinguish between a genuine opportunity and a threatening situation is weakened or possibly maybe even deliberately set aside. Who knows what was going on in this girl's life, or what emotional voids may have distorted her ability and/or willingness to keep a firm realistic awareness of the situation. The vulnerability of a potential victim is probably more critical in an abuse situation than the intentions of the predator.

Surely,

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Ignoring.................

YouVantOption said:
I guess he should have waited a year until she was legal.
Ignoring the issue of those who spread misinformation.:rolleyes: LEGAL at 14??????

Or hiding behind political correctness "...alleged victim...", when every right thinking member of a caring society is a VICTIM when a child may be placed in an abusive situation.

How can a 13 year old child, lured to a hotel room by a stranger from overseas be anything but a VICTIM? The experience is not neutral or positive only negative and will remain with her in a negative fashion for the rest of her life.
 

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More important question: "Where are the parents"

At 13 she was able to go out without reporting to her parents where she's going and with who she was, very disturbing...:confused:
 

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Maxima said:
A very puzzling affirmation. Hmmm....
Another year she would only be 14..for crying out loud :mad: . Legal or not this is despicable!
"He should have waited a year" you said....:mad:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe YVO was simply making a joke in order to show how ridiculous Canada's justice system is at times.
 

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KRO said:
More important question: "Where are the parents"

At 13 she was able to go out without reporting to her parents where she's going and with who she was, very disturbing...:confused:
Disturbing, yes. Surprising, not really. Would you be surprised to hear that some of this board's most popular sps over the years were introduced to the sex business in various capacities (e.g. lesbian shows at private parties, etc) at that age? Maybe it's just me, but Quebec women seem to discover sex (and some might even say how to make money out of it) at a younger age than other women in general on this continent.
 
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Doc Holliday said:
Disturbing, yes. Surprising, not really. Would you be surprised to hear that some of this board's most popular sps over the years were introduced to the sex business in various capacities (e.g. lesbian shows at private parties, etc) at that age?

No I am not surprised, I heard all the stories...the justice system should also look at the way the parents are rising the child after an event like this.
 
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Doc Holliday said:
Disturbing, yes. Surprising, not really. Would you be surprised to hear that some of this board's most popular sps over the years were introduced to the sex business in various capacities (e.g. lesbian shows at private parties, etc) at that age? Maybe it's just me, but Quebec women seem to discover sex (and some might even say how to make money out of it) at a younger age than other women in general on this continent.

DH,

The reality in the Ville Marie/Hochelaga/Maisonneuve districts is that the SWs and the sex trade is part of a child's life from a very early age. They are exposed to it going to school, to the park , to the community center, shopping, etc. Still remember my mother yelling at my father when I was three because he had taken me for a walk in the wrong direction.

Point is that everyone is extra vigilant about predators in such areas. Things get handled without outside help.

Sometimes humour is misplaced. Time and place for everything.
 

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Maxima said:
A very puzzling affirmation. Hmmm....
Another year she would only be 14..for crying out loud :mad: . Legal or not this is despicable!
"He should have waited a year" you said....:mad:
Hello Youvantopinion,

"I guess he should have waited a year until she was legal." I have to agree with Maxima hear. I hope you are kidding. Frankly, I think the poor level of maturity nearly every human being has at 14 leaves them in poor condition to deal with sex with anyone, even another 14 year old. But the idea of such a young person with any 31 year old adult who should have realized what a bad idea sex and all it's complications is at such a young age is particulary odious.

Very poor,

Korbel
 
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Doc,

With all due respect to you. Here is the chart of "the age of consent", you can see it for yourself.
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

Furthermore, exploiting the lack of maturity of an underage is never legal.

Why is it subject a joking matter?

Are we making a mountain out of a mole hill with regard to not having sex with SPs who are under 18 y.o?
Each province can set the minimum legal age. Ontario is 16, Quebec 14 but at a condition: you must not be in any way in a position of authority over that person...example: she work for you, you are his teacher...

If you are in a position of authority, she needs to be 18 to give her consent. If not only 14 in Quebec and 16 in Ontario...not sure for the other province

And in Canada, you do not need any parent approval.

It will be illegal also if you pay to have sex with her.

Stephan Harper (Canada Prime Minister) tried to set a federal law to modify that, but was stop before he was able to do so, since the Supreme Court already rules that out.

The reason for that law is that a person who is 18 cannot be charge of rape if he got consent sex with someone who is 14 to 17. I find that normal. But I don't find it normal for someone who is 31 who got sex with a 14 years old.

Information taken from the Canada government web site:
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The Criminal Code does not now criminalize consensual sexual activity with or between persons 14 or over, unless it takes place in a relationship of trust or dependency, in which case sexual activity with persons over 14 but under 18 can constitute an offence, notwithstanding their consent. Even consensual activity with those under 14 but over 12 may not be an offence if the accused is under 16 and less than two years older than the complainant. The exception, of course, is anal intercourse, to which unmarried persons under 18 cannot legally consent, although both the Ontario Court of Appeal(3) and the Quebec Court of Appeal(4) have struck down the relevant section of the Criminal Code.​
 
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Iznogoud said:
The reason for that law is that a person who is 18 cannot be charge of rape if he got consent sex with someone who is 14 to 17. I find that normal. But I don't find it normal for someone who is 31 who got sex with a 14 years old.

Information taken from the Canada government web site:
CURRENT LAW

The Criminal Code does not now criminalize consensual sexual activity with or between persons 14 or over, unless it takes place in a relationship of trust or dependency, in which case sexual activity with persons over 14 but under 18 can constitute an offence, notwithstanding their consent. Even consensual activity with those under 14 but over 12 may not be an offence if the accused is under 16 and less than two years older than the complainant. The exception, of course, is anal intercourse, to which unmarried persons under 18 cannot legally consent, although both the Ontario Court of Appeal(3) and the Quebec Court of Appeal(4) have struck down the relevant section of the Criminal Code.​
Hello Iznogoud,

Izrealdickculouse!!! I have never met anyone, female or male, who is ready to handle the emotions involved in sex maturely. Any country that thinks sex for 14 year olds is good Izjustcrazy, no matter who is involved.

Nuts,

Korbel
 

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Crazy but not illegal, right?

Korbel said:
Hello Iznogoud,

Izrealdickculouse!!! I have never met anyone, female or male, who is ready to handle the emotions involved in sex maturely. Any country that thinks sex for 14 year olds is good Izjustcrazy, no matter who is involved.

Nuts,

Korbel
Hello Korbel-
Whether or not one thinks that 14 years olds (or 15, 16, or 17 year olds) should be having sex with others in high school or not (I think they should and it's messy and they don't understand it, but that's fine and normal, and I hope they use protection), surely you are not suggesting that such behavior should be punished criminally. Do you think that the senior in high school (18) who beds the freshman (14) should be subject to criminal penalties? Are you aware of the case in Georgia where a 14 yr old white freshman girl knowingly and willingly performed oral sex on a black senior? He was charged with rape and sentenced to 10 years, and actually had to serve 2-3 of them before finally being released because of the outrage in the entire state.

We may not think our adolescent children are ready for this pile of physical and emotional trauma-in-the-making that we call sex, but they will get into it, just as we did: clumsily, stupidly, awkwardly, and occasionally joyfully. I just hope for more of the latter for my 12 year old in a few years.
 

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Iznogoud said:
Each province can set the minimum legal age. ... Stephan Harper (Canada Prime Minister) tried to set a federal law to modify that, but was stop before he was able to do so, since the Supreme Court already rules that out. ...
The age of consent for sex is federal, and is the same across Canada. The Harper government raised it from 14 to 16 just recently. It was not the Supreme court that blocked him, it's the Liberals in the Senate. They finally gave in a couple of months ago: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08030501.html
 

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Devil's advocate here.

What if the stigma of sex with a 14yo was caused more by pressure done by society than by the act itself? What if the 14yo being told it's wrong and making him see it as something worst than it really is is what actually cause the dammages? After all, some society have been functionning well for a long time with 14yo getting "married"?

Don't jump at my face, I'm just fueling the discussion here! I have no interest in kids.
 

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metoo4 said:
Devil's advocate here.

What if the stigma of sex with a 14yo was caused more by pressure done by society than by the act itself? What if the 14yo being told it's wrong and making him see it as something worst than it really is is what actually cause the dammages? After all, some society have been functionning well for a long time with 14yo getting "married"?

Don't jump at my face, I'm just fueling the discussion here! I have no interest in kids.
Many of the age of consent laws date back to a time when people rarely travelled beyond the community where they were born, a time when modern instruments of communication did not exist and a time where the average life expectancy was in the thirties.

In a closed community with a very small population couples marrying in their early teens or other arrangements to sustain the tribe were par for the course.

In today's world with globalization spreading at an incredible pace such instances are very rare. A point could be made for the opposite - a lonely 31 year old could just as easily find mating potential on the internet elsewhere in Belgium or the adjacent countries as opposed to finding a 13 year old across 5 or 6 time zones on a different continent separated by an ocean.
 
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