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Seems it could be a possibility, and i for one am ALL FOR IT! Anything to get Bobby V and his man crush loving of perdroia off the airwaves has my seal of approval :thumb: besides the fact he is just an ok manager, nothing special.

Bobby V as the Red Sox manager next year? I agree, he's a personality kind of guy, but he's an okay manager. He's had 1 World Series appearance with the Mets in 2000 when the Mets lost to the Yankees in the Subway series. He had a losing record with the Texas Rangers. He had a few good years with the Mets. He's definitely experienced. I guess the big question is can he handle the rowdy Red Sox personalities in the Red Sox dugout? :noidea:
 

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Source: Red Sox-Bobby V talks on hold

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story...sox-bobby-valentine-talks-gm-back-source-says

Valentine, 61, has emerged as a possible front-runner for the Red Sox job after the Red Sox elected not to offer a job to Dale Sveum, who on Friday became manager of the Chicago Cubs after being brought to Milwaukee for a second interview by the Red Sox. Sveum was the only candidate on Cherington's publicly announced list of bidders for the job, but Cherington has since acknowledged there is at least one other candidate, who has been identified as Valentine, and perhaps more.

Bobby Valentine to Red Sox would be a mistake - for both parties


BY Bill Price

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/bi...o-red-sox-would-be-a-mistake-for-both-parties

I also think it's a bad move by the Red Sox. Plenty has changed - mostly for the worst - in baseball since Bobby V. last managed. The players, especially the star players, have more power than ever before, and a guy like Bobby V., who likes to tweak his players and certainly doesn't like to pull punches, needs to adapt. Terry Collins did a good job adapting this year, but still seemed torn on the last day of the season when he had to give in to Jose Reyes' request to sit down after locking up the batting title. You wonder if this could backfire on the Red Sox. Valentine had his moments with the Mets, but imagine how volatile the situation could be in Boston, especially on the heels of this season's disaster.

I've got to agree with Price here. While driving around doing errands today one of Valentines long time associates (not friends) called WEEI and described him as a "self-aggrandizing egotist" who would be kicked out before finishing his term. Of course this is just the callers view, but the article by Price above is consistent with everything I'm hearing and reading.

Sure the Red Sox need someone who can kick ass once in a while to control the BS. But when you get a manager who, as the caller said, needs to gratify his ego every day as well as "tweak his players", he is likely to be adding to the problem or just exchanging a set of new problems for the old ones.

It seems the scoop is Lucchino wants Valentine because Valentine is knowledgeable and a controlling hard-ass like Lucchino. If that's all true, then Lucchino is setting himself up for confrontations when Lucchino interjects himself into Valentine's business as he did to Epstein and Francona.

If the character of the personalities above is accurate at all Price is right. Valentine will have to adapt in a big way (if he gets the job) or things could just get worst, and Lucchino may be picking the kind of guy who is most likely to challenge him. It could be quite a show.

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Bobby Valentine to meet with Red Sox on Monday

Bobby Valentine will meet with the Boston Red Sox Monday to discuss the team's managerial vacancy, a source close to the former Texas Rangers and New York Mets manager told ESPN on Sunday afternoon.

The 61-year-old Valentine, who is an ESPN analyst, has emerged as a possible front-runner for the Red Sox job after Boston elected not to offer a job to Dale Sveum, who on Friday became manager of the Chicago Cubs. Sveum was the only candidate on general manager Ben Cherington's publicly announced list of bidders for the job to interview twice, but Cherington has since acknowledged there is at least one other candidate, who has been identified as Valentine, and perhaps more.

Valentine had a conversation with Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino in 2003, before Terry Francona was hired. During that process, Valentine also had come highly recommended to Red Sox majority owner John W. Henry by longtime Los Angeles Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda.

While in Japan, Valentine also worked with the Red Sox after they established a working agreement with Chiba Lotte in 2007.

The Red Sox had initially hoped to hire a new manager before Thanksgiving, but before leaving for the Dominican Republic, Cherington acknowledged that might not happen. Cherington went to the Dominican to scout Cuban phenom Yeonis Cespedes and make changes in the team's international department.

The Red Sox's search for a new manager, begun while Theo Epstein was still general manager, started after Sept. 30, when the team announced that it was not exercising the two-year contract option it held on Francona.

The Miami Marlins, Chicago White Sox, Cubs and St. Louis Cardinals all have made managerial hires since the end of the season. The Red Sox's position remains the only one unfilled.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7261296/bobby-valentine-boston-red-sox-meet-monday-source-says
 

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Really hoping the red sox hire Bob V. Then maybe Bobby will hire Tim McCarver as a bench coach and we just killed 2 birds with one stone! Hey, one can dream cant they? :D Honestly, i do not think Bobby V is a good fit for beantown, but hey, i would love to see it happen.

Doc, any chance Oswalt ends up in TO? What about any other free agents? What do you think AA gonna do this offseason? I wouldnt mind Oswalt on the Yanks for a fair contract.
 

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Really hoping the red sox hire Bob V. Then maybe Bobby will hire Tim McCarver as a bench coach and we just killed 2 birds with one stone! Hey, one can dream cant they? :D Honestly, i do not think Bobby V is a good fit for beantown, but hey, i would love to see it happen.

Doc, any chance Oswalt ends up in TO? What about any other free agents? What do you think AA gonna do this offseason? I wouldnt mind Oswalt on the Yanks for a fair contract.

Regarding Valentine to the Sox, don't be surprised if it happens. No other decent managerial candidate seems to want to go to Boston. Why would they? To be put under a microscope every single game, to then get backstabbed by management after being eventually fired? NO THANK YOU!!!!

As for Oswalt, the Jays are not interested. However, they are very interested in Mark Buerle & Yu Darvish. I also heard they might be interested in signing David Ortiz if they can sign him for three years or less. There's also talk of them swinging a trade for a closer. Either than kid in Philly or Andrew Bailey of the A's. They are not interested in signing Heath Bell, whom they consider to be very overrated. I heard yesterday they're considering bringing back Frank Francisco.
 

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Regarding Valentine to the Sox, don't be surprised if it happens. No other decent managerial candidate seems to want to go to Boston. Why would they? To be put under a microscope every single game, to then get backstabbed by management after being eventually fired? NO THANK YOU!!!!
It's quite common for people not to want to go where they're not offered jobs. Doc, you have the remarkable facility for consistently addressing subjects that you know absolutely nothing about. Perhaps you should keep your comments to the hockey thread; you do seem to know a little bit about one team there, despite your being constantly pwned by Special K.
 

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Did he really just use the term "pwned? really? Too funny! Actually i think Doc is a encyclopedia of wealth in many sports as well as many other subjects. And rumpo, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions, you may not like them, but it does not make you right and they wrong or vice versa.... you really said pwned? :lol:

Bob V will take the red sox job in a heartbeat if offered for a fair price. It gets him that much closer to his adopted son, dustin pedroia. Bobby V loves that guy and that will make his decision that much easier if offered the job as skipper.

It's quite common for people not to want to go where they're not offered jobs. Doc, you have the remarkable facility for consistently addressing subjects that you know absolutely nothing about. Perhaps you should keep your comments to the hockey thread; you do seem to know a little bit about one team there, despite your being constantly pwned by Special K.
 

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I agree with you that paying 10 to 15 million for a top closer is high. But if I was a big league GM, I would rather have a top closer than not. If you are in a close pennant race, a few blown saves could cost you the pennant.

Perhaps the teams are guilty of specializing too much. Really, any good short inning reliever should be able to come out in the 9th and have a good probability to retire the last 3 batters without allowing the other team the tying or winning runs.
I just did a bit of research to back up my point. Jonathan Papelbon inherited 10 runners in 2011 and prevented 7 from scoring, Mariano Rivera inherited 17, preventing 11 from scoring. David Robertson inherited 44 runners, preventing 34 from scoring. Daniel Bard inherited 34 runners last year and prevented 29 from scoring.

This is not to say that Bard and Robertson are better pitchers than Papelbon and Rivera, just that the job that they (and other set-up men around the league) are asked to do is more valuable to the team than the job the closer is asked to do.
 

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It's quite common for people not to want to go where they're not offered jobs. Doc, you have the remarkable facility for consistently addressing subjects that you know absolutely nothing about. Perhaps you should keep your comments to the hockey thread; you do seem to know a little bit about one team there, despite your being constantly pwned by Special K.

Pwned by Special? Pwned? LOL!!!!!!

Rumples, face reality.....your dear Red Sox suck & no one wants to go manage in that stinking dump that you guys also call a ballpark! ;)
 

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Did he really just use the term "pwned? really? Too funny! Actually i think Doc is a encyclopedia of wealth in many sports as well as many other subjects. And rumpo, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions, you may not like them, but it does not make you right and they wrong or vice versa.... you really said pwned? :lol:

Bob V will take the red sox job in a heartbeat if offered for a fair price. It gets him that much closer to his adopted son, dustin pedroia. Bobby V loves that guy and that will make his decision that much easier if offered the job as skipper.

Yes, he did indeed say pwned. LOL!!!!

But let's give the ol' guy a break. Rumples is just bitter that he was constantly ridiculed in the baseball thread by Yankees fans all season long. Yes, you guys owned his ass! :nod:

As for Bobby V, he indeed will be the next Red Sox skipper....unless the Red Sox are too cheap to give him a decent salary, that is. The Red Sox should consider themselves lucky that someone like Valentine (Bobby, not Ellis) would want to manage that sorry reality tv-type of team. By the way, bad news for the Sox: MLB will likely be testing for HGH come next year. Bad news for the likes of Kevin Youkilis & Pappi if he signs with the Red Sox. However, this might be Pappi's kiss-of-death since Red Sox management is probably quite aware that he won't be able to produce unless he gets his juice.
 

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By the way, bad news for the Sox: MLB will likely be testing for HGH come next year. Bad news for the likes of Kevin Youkilis & Pappi if he signs with the Red Sox. However, this might be Pappi's kiss-of-death since Red Sox management is probably quite aware that he won't be able to produce unless he gets his juice.

Ouch!! Wager that Bautista's numbers drop absurdly?
 

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Congratulations to Dave "Lights Out" Robertson for getting some votes on the ballot for MVP, this is truly a astonishing feat as he is a set up reliever and it goes to show what kind of season he had, I would think that he may be the first set up man in baseball history to receive some MVP votes, very looking forward to see him pitch again next year.
 

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Howz Bout Dat Boyz,

Verlander most deserving of MVP award

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...-detroit-tigers-makes-him-pick-for-mvp-112111

In early September, I wrote of the American League MVP race: “A position player should win the award if all things are equal.”

One month later, after agonizing over my ballot during contemplative rain delays, I concluded that this was an unequal year.

I voted for Justin Verlander ahead of Jacoby Ellsbury.

I did so after parsing the criteria set forth by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America, particularly the sentence that asks us to determine the most valuable player to his team.

Could the Yankees have finished six games ahead of the Rays without the contributions of Curtis Granderson?

Yes, they could have.

Could the Red Sox have finished seven games behind the Yankees without the contributions of Ellsbury?

Yes, they could have.

Could the Blue Jays have finished 16 games behind the Yankees without the contributions of Jose Bautista?

Yes, they could have.

But could the Tigers have finished 15 games ahead of the Indians without the contributions of Verlander?

Absolutely not. Apparently, enough of my colleagues agreed with me. On Monday, Verlander was named AL MVP.

continued...

I have supported Verlander for the MVP and so I am happy about this choice. In his own right I don't see how anyone could argue any of the other contenders were as valuable to their team as Verlander. As a Red Sox fan who argued for Martinez in 1999, I cannot back away from Verlander for being a pitcher. It's also gratifying that the choice vindicates the argument in favor of Pedro who was more dominate than Verlander in some key stats with 63 more SOs in 38 fewer IPs and an ERA .33 lower.

Martinez 23W 4L, .852 PCT, 2.07 ERA, 213 IP, 313 SO, 0.932 WHIP

Verlander 24W 5L, .828 PCT, 2.40 ERA, 251 IP, 250 SO, 0.92 WHIP

It's just too bad one writer who doesn't get it left Verlander off of the ballot completely. DUH!

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp..._id=26015614&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb#almvpvote

American League Most Valuable Player voting totals


Player Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Points
Justin Verlander Tigers 13 3 3 4 1 280

Jacoby Ellsbury Red Sox 4 13 4 1 4 242

Jose Bautista Blue Jays 5 7 4 4 4 231

Curtis Granderson Yankees 3 4 4 8 6 215

Miguel Cabrera Tigers 2 9 5 5 2 193

Robinson Cano Yankees 2 2 3 6 4 112

Adrian Gonzalez Red Sox 1 1 2 6 8 105

Congratulations also to Jacoby Ellsbury who had one of the most phenomenal years for a lead off hitter EVAAAAA for beating out Bautitsta, Granderson, Cano, Cabrera...and well...everyone else except Verlander.

Congratulations also to the Curse of Joe.t proving the power of WRONG!!!

Congratulations to Dave "Lights Out" Robertson for getting some votes...

You mean 23rd place, and just one 10th place point. :rolleyes:

MLB will likely be testing for HGH come next year.
Ouch!! Wager that Bautista's numbers drop absurdly?

Wanna bet a line graph of Bautista's HRs and RBIs are going to make 2010-2011 look like a super quake spike after next year. :lol: Not that they don't already.

Best Man For the Red Sox: John Farrell


http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story...entine-boston-red-sox-managerial-front-runner

...it was John Farrell, whom the Sox had overpaid as a pitching coach as a trade-off for an agreement that while he was under contract, he could not interview for managing jobs anywhere else. That agreement lasted three years. Last winter, Farrell's contract expired, and he was hired as manager of the Toronto Blue Jays.

Farrell had no reason to believe a year ago that the Sox would not exercise the two-year option on Terry Francona's contract. Neither did anyone else. Does anyone seriously doubt for a moment that Farrell would leap at the chance to manage the Red Sox? The Blue Jays didn't. They changed their operational rules to say their employees couldn't interview for a lateral move. That was clearly aimed at making Farrell stay put.

Farrell comes with far fewer question marks than any other candidate still on the board. He is a proven leader, a strong voice, a commanding presence and one who had the unquestioned respect of the Sox's pitching staff. He has the look of a man who could manage the Red Sox for the next 10 years.


Too bad he's not available.

Valentine is a poor choice because he has a confrontational style likely to push a lot of the wrong buttons on many...probably including his pal Larry. He seems like the anti-Francona who wouldn't mind throwing everyone under the bus if he thought it served his authority. The Valentine choice also undercuts Cherington's authority who now looks like a de facto figurehead beneath the authority of the gas bag Lucchino.

Puke,

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I was forced to go there by a last minute agency change of locations, my first incall in about 6 years. Damn, this place has a strong stale stink to it.
 

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Ouch!! Wager that Bautista's numbers drop absurdly?

Just looking at Bautista's body (and facial features) tells me that the only thing he might be on would be supplements. He's not a big person. He has an average physique. He's lean, not bulky. His face isn't bloated. His head isn't big.....although he does have huge ears! lol

In other words, he doesn't have any of the typical physical signs associated with steroid & HGH users. Think Carl Crawford (huge head & face) & Pappi (huge head). Think Brady Anderson & Lenny Dykstra (very bulky & muscle-bound). Bautista also has never shown any signs of 'roid rage. Think Kevin Youkilis, who definitely has to be on something. And dare i say it? Jonathan Papelbon.
 

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Valentine is a poor choice because he has a confrontational style likely to push a lot of the wrong buttons on many...probably including his pal Larry. He seems like the anti-Francona who wouldn't mind throwing everyone under the bus if he thought it served his authority. The Valentine choice also undercuts Cherrington's authority who now looks like a de facto figurehead beneath the authority of the gas bag Lucchino.

Puke,

Merlot

I totally agree with your statement. Bobby Valentine would be the worse choice of all for the Red Sox manager's position. His ego is way too big for the small confines of Fenway Park.
 

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Merlot

"The Chablis, Rue Saint-Jacques, the most awesome kick-ass place on the planet, were dreams and fantasies are fulfilled every day!!!."

I was forced to go there by a last minute agency change of locations, my first incall in about 6 years. Damn, this place has a strong stale stink to it.

Sorry but you are clueless as usual or maybe you are a habitual acid tripper, tough to tell but I'm guessing maybe both judging by your posts, but the only reason that you would go to the Chablis would be for "outcall" as this place is not a "incall" and does not stink, the Chablis has never ever been a "Incall" place, I'm guessing that you have never seen the place.
 

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Sorry but you are clueless as usual or maybe you are a habitual acid tripper, tough to tell but I'm guessing maybe both judging by your posts, but the only reason that you would go to the Chablis would be for "outcall" as this place is not a "incall" and does not stink, the Chablis has never ever been a "Incall" place, I'm guessing that you have never seen the place.

Hey goofy,

Geeeez, the day you know what you are talking about will be cold in hell indeed. Were you there...NO! Do you know what agency I am talking about...NO! Do you know the setup...NO! Did you make the call...NO! Did you make the arrangements...NO! Were you using my dick...NO! Do you have any clue at all what you are talking about since you know absolutely nothing about the encounter. No!!! In fact you don't know dick about anything on this matter...especially since I have not written a review about the event yet.

Nadya's sometimes sets up their ladies there for the day and uses the Chablis for INCALLS, and this was one of those times.

And I do know that because of construction on or near 720 in the area in August I had to drive all the way down Sherbrooke to Cavendish then St Jacques. Go in the front, pictures of room choices on the wall behind you as you face the desk. So put that in your pipe sweetie pie.

The place SMELLS like stale unwashed clothes. Anyone who showers and does laundry at all would smell it instantly. I guess some can't tell the difference for clear reasons. Of course I don't snort anything so my senses aren't dulled like others. But how would you know the difference. :thumb:

UNLESS YOU WERE HIDING IN THE CLOSET...HMMMM :rolleyes:...I SUGGEST YOU NOT TRY TO TELL ANYONE HOW THEIR ENCOUNTER WAS SETUP.

BTW..."were dreams and fantasies are fulfilled"...it's where, not were...Mr Sharpy. :D

Cheers,

Merlot
 
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I don't snort anything so my senses aren't dulled like others. But how would you know the difference. :thumb:

UNLESS YOU WERE HIDING IN THE CLOSET...HMMMM :rolleyes:...I SUGGEST YOU NOT TRY TO TELL ANYONE HOW THEIR ENCOUNTER WAS SETUP.

Cheers,

Merlot

And the world is better off that you don't, you snorting anything is a scary thought to say the least.:crazy:
 

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I have supported Verlander for the MVP and so I am happy about this choice. In his own right I don't see how anyone could argue any of the other contenders were as valuable to their team as Verlander. As a Red Sox fan who argued for Martinez in 1999, I cannot back away from Verlander for being a pitcher. It's also gratifying that the choice vindicates the argument in favor of Pedro who was more dominate than Verlander in some key stats with 63 more SOs in 38 fewer IPs and an ERA .33 lower.

Martinez 23W 4L, .852 PCT, 2.07 ERA, 213 IP, 313 SO, 0.932 WHIP

Verlander 24W 5L, .828 PCT, 2.40 ERA, 251 IP, 250 SO, 0.92 WHIP

It's just too bad one writer who doesn't get it left Verlander off of the ballot completely. DUH!

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp..._id=26015614&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb#almvpvote

American League Most Valuable Player voting totals


Player Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Points
Justin Verlander Tigers 13 3 3 4 1 280

Jacoby Ellsbury Red Sox 4 13 4 1 4 242

Jose Bautista Blue Jays 5 7 4 4 4 231

Curtis Granderson Yankees 3 4 4 8 6 215

Miguel Cabrera Tigers 2 9 5 5 2 193

Robinson Cano Yankees 2 2 3 6 4 112

Adrian Gonzalez Red Sox 1 1 2 6 8 105

Congratulations also to Jacoby Ellsbury who had one of the most phenomenal years for a lead off hitter EVAAAAA for beating out Bautitsta, Granderson, Cano, Cabrera...and well...everyone else except Verlander.

Congratulations also to the Curse of Joe.t proving the power of WRONG!!!

I have to tell you, i watched as many games as i could this year and he was the Tigers MVP. that is for sure and we have Cabrera and Valverde. after every loss he would some out and go 8 or 9 innings and hold the opposing team to 1 or 2 runs. The showdown with Jarad Waever was a game for the ages and Verlander took a no hitter into the 8th or 9th. I have never seen a pitcher so dominant game in game out since Martinez or Guidry... maybe Nolan Ryan. After the first month he was lights out.
 

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Hello Boyz,

And the world is better off...

...if you could possibly think at all before writing. After all, it's simple little fella. I pay for the room, it's outcall. She pays for the room it's incall. I didn't pay for the room...end of story.

Enjoy the smell all to yourself. :eyebrows:

I have to tell you, i watched as many games as i could this year and he was the Tigers MVP. that is for sure and we have Cabrera and Valverde. after every loss he would some out and go 8 or 9 innings and hold the opposing team to 1 or 2 runs. The showdown with Jarad Waever was a game for the ages and Verlander took a no hitter into the 8th or 9th. I have never seen a pitcher so dominant game in game out since Martinez or Guidry... maybe Nolan Ryan. After the first month he was lights out.

Hello Hungry, I didn't see most of that game but I caught up to it late. It's about time the voters acknowledge the importance of a lights out starter to the rotation and so the whole team. He was outstanding. Hey...how about Lackey and Matsuzaka for Verlander...:D.

I'm also ecstatic for Ellsbury. A lot of fans didn't understand what he went through in 2010. Now in one year, a magnificent year, he moves to the edge of stardom if he isn't there already. The kid has a great combination of tools and he put them all together in their full potential this year.

I totally agree with your statement. Bobby Valentine would be the worse choice of all for the Red Sox manager's position. His ego is way too big for the small confines of Fenway Park.

It seems that prick Lucchino is pushing for him. I hope Cherington has some balls to stand up to the creep.

Just looking at Bautista's body (and facial features) tells me that the only thing he might be on would be supplements. He's not a big person. He has an average physique. He's lean, not bulky. His face isn't bloated. His head isn't big.....although he does have huge ears! lol

In other words, he doesn't have any of the typical physical signs associated with steroid & HGH users. Think Carl Crawford (huge head & face) & Pappi (huge head). Think Brady Anderson & Lenny Dykstra (very bulky & muscle-bound). Bautista also has never shown any signs of 'roid rage. Think Kevin Youkilis, who definitely has to be on something. And dare i say it? Jonathan Papelbon.

Doc, you are seriously saying the same guy who hit extremely well in his career, then had a lousy year you eternally criticized is on steroids. So you are also saying Beckett who got heavy around the middle is on roids because of his angry temperament. But Bautista's huge two-year aberration compared to his career means nothing. Just a little bias, aye Doc.

Speaking of huge things, are you indicting Sabathia for that humongous butt. That thing is so big he can't keep himself in just one zip code. :D

Cheers,

Merlot
 
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