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ROFL!!!!!..... your being WAY to kind to our "little" friend there Mr.T... merlot also said that had Nova been pitching like a ROY he would of not been sent down, again, shows how little he knows because many were upset that Nova was sent down because he was pitching great at the time, just ask Eager B. He was sent down to make room for Hughes who they wanted to see if he was healthy, which had Nova stayed, he would of had most likely 3-4 more wins and been a slam dunk for ROY. Awards are nice but not everything, it is nice knowing we have a very capable #3, or even a #2 man in Nova (which i think he can be, easily, depending on Hughes and his spring training) heading into 2012:thumb:
As usual you are clueless, Robertson is not a rookie and if he was this award would have been his in a slam dunk, now go back to bed.
 
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Today, as i found myself traveling thru UGH...mASSachussetts, i was listening to a local sports talk radio station and they were saying the red sox offered, a lowball offer btw, Ortiz, a 2 yr 12mil deal aka, 6 mil per season....red sox fan #1 said it was a good strategy while sox fan #2 said it was a slap in the face to a guy who is the best at his position, DH. He went on to say someone will offer Ortiz more and because he is a emotional guy, he will do as Papelbon did and run as fast out of boston as possible because he will feel no love for all he has done. I hope #2 is spot on! Just like the red sox to be el cheapo to a guy who you must have next season if you hope to be in the league of the Yankees, Rays, and Jays in the AL East, and to a guy who helped you win 2 championships.....* Note to Benny C, your not off to a very good start as Theo's replacement, but, Keep up the good work :thumb:
 

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ROFL!!!!!..... your being WAY to kind to our "little" friend there Mr.T... merlot also said that had Nova been pitching like a ROY he would of not been sent down, again, shows how little he knows because many were upset that Nova was sent down because he was pitching great at the time, just ask Eager B. He was sent down to make room for Hughes who they wanted to see if he was healthy, which had Nova stayed, he would of had most likely 3-4 more wins and been a slam dunk for ROY. Awards are nice but not everything, it is nice knowing we have a very capable #3, or even a #2 man in Nova (which i think he can be, easily, depending on Hughes and his spring training) heading into 2012:thumb:

:lol: :crazy:

The circumstances weren't in question. Nova had only an adequate 4.12 ERA when he was sent down because the return of Hughes AND Colon created a rotation squeeze. Girardi's choice to send down Nova speaks to what HE thought of who should be cut out. "Great" pitchers don't get sent down unless they aren't as good as others or the manager is stupid.

Despite a long unbeaten streak, Nova finished with only a 3.70 ERA while Hellickson was under 3.00 at 2.95 being significantly better in quality. Obviously the won-loss difference speaks to the Yankees offensive advantage. Since Nova was still 4th in the voting the wins differential with Hellickson at 13-10 and Nova at 16-4, a much better record, didn't mean much, making the 3-4 more wins theory phoney.

So awards are just "nice". :rolleyes: I've never seen anyone run away from his boasts like you every time you mess up.

Congratulations Rumples, you called it on Hellickson.

Robertson did end up 11th in today's Cy Young voting which was won by Justin Verlander. Somehow the voters overlooked Lester and Beckett of the best team evah for the top spot.

1. Justin Verlander
2. Jered Weaver
3. James Shields
4. CC Sabathia
5. Jose Valverde
6. CJ Wilson
7. Dan Haren
8. Mariano Rivera
9. Josh Beckett
10. Ricky Romero
11. David Robertson

Yet, despite the collapse and all that ugly chicken and beer/out of shape publicity embarrassment, Beckett still came out above Dave (squeaky clean lights out in shape) Robertson. Funny! :D

Big difference between these deals. First, the Kemp deal is $20 M per year and runs through his prime, ages 27-34.
The Rodriguez deal started near the end of his prime, running his ages 33-42 at $30 M per year.

What is most amazing is that the Rodriguez deal didn't cost the in competent spendthrift Cashdollar his job.

You're right, but contracts this long in general are too risky. If the Yankees hadn't renegotiated so early with A-Rod like frightened sheep would they still be willing to pay him $30 million per year for six more years. If totally NUTS!

Dale Sveum in Red Sox driver’s seat
Manager candidate meets owners today
By Peter Abraham
Globe Staff

November 16, 2011

MILWAUKEE - The job is his to lose at this point. If Dale Sveum makes a good impression on Red Sox principal owner John Henry and team chairman Tom Werner today, he could be their new manager.

Henry, Werner, and team president Larry Lucchino arrived at the Pfister Hotel last night for Major League Baseball’s owners meetings. They will break away early this afternoon to meet with Sveum at a different location. If Sveum fits their expectations, the Red Sox could call off plans to name a second finalist.

General manager Ben Cherington said a potential second finalist has not yet been determined. That is a sign of how highly regarded Sveum is when compared with Sandy Alomar Jr., Gene Lamont, Torey Lovullo, and Pete Mackanin.

Sveum, the hitting coach of the Milwaukee Brewers, was with the Red Sox as third base coach from 2004-05. His major league managerial experience is limited to 12 games for the Brewers at the end of the 2008 season. But Cherington sees Sveum as being able to work closely with the baseball operations department and having the kind of personality to return discipline to the clubhouse.

“I’m looking forward to getting to know him,’’ Henry said.

But Henry said he has no plans to hire a manager in the next few days and mentioned Lovullo as somebody he would have interest in speaking with.

Henry, Werner, and Lucchino are scheduled to leave here tomorrow and Cherington is flying to the Dominican Republic on Friday. Any meeting with a second finalist may have to wait.

“At this point it’s possible it won’t happen in Milwaukee. We’re still working through that process,’’ Cherington said. “We’re still narrowing in on at least one other finalist. It’s a combination of that and logistics.’’

Cherington said he fully expects a second candidate to emerge. But he also said that could change.

“As in every question I think I’ve answered about this, or most every question, I can’t rule anything out,’’ he said. “But I would expect that there would be at least one other candidate discussed.’’

The Cubs are another factor. They also interviewed Sveum and reportedly will meet with him again today.

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Some of these statements seem contradictory and I wonder if Cherington is trying to cover himself if the Cubs are ready to make a firm offer before the Sox.

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I'm just fine with the departure of Jonathan Papelbon. While he's been a fine closer, his worst performances have come in critical moments. The Sox will be just fine without him. Another departure has just been announced that will be much tougher to swallow. Heidi Watney is returning to California to work for a new network there. She will be very tough to replace.
 

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Robertson did end up 11th in today's Cy Young voting which was won by Justin Verlander. Somehow the voters overlooked Lester and Beckett of the best team evah for the top spot.

1. Justin Verlander
2. Jered Weaver
3. James Shields
4. CC Sabathia
5. Jose Valverde
6. CJ Wilson
7. Dan Haren
8. Mariano Rivera
9. Josh Beckett
10. Ricky Romero
11. David Robertson

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Finally one of my predictions came true. Unanimous!
 

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I'm just fine with the departure of Jonathan Papelbon. While he's been a fine closer, his worst performances have come in critical moments. The Sox will be just fine without him. Another departure has just been announced that will be much tougher to swallow. Heidi Watney is returning to California to work for a new network there. She will be very tough to replace.

That's funny.....you were Papelbon's biggest defender when the Yankee fans were trashing all over him a couple of months ago. He could do no wrong & and you spoke of him like he were a God. What happened? lol

As for Ms. Watney, as i predicted in the baseball thread a couple of months ago, she did indeed abandon the seemingly comfortable confines of the Titanic, otherwise known as the Boston Red Sox. :lol:
 

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1. Justin Verlander
2. Jered Weaver
3. James Shields
4. CC Sabathia
5. Jose Valverde
6. CJ Wilson
7. Dan Haren
8. Mariano Rivera
9. Josh Beckett
10. Ricky Romero
11. David Robertson

Highway robbery! Da best team evah should have its best pitcher at the top of the list, not in 9th place!

On top of that, John Lester & Danny Bard should also be on that list! Someone call the FBI, there's something that isn't right here!
 

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That's funny.....you were Papelbon's biggest defender when the Yankee fans were trashing all over him a couple of months ago. He could do no wrong & and you spoke of him like he were a God. What happened? lol
Papelbon's a fine closer. My problem with the money Philly spent on him is that the position of closer is vastly overrated. I was looking at Mariano Rivera's game log just yesterday. Rivera saved 44 games this year; in 31 of them he had a 2 or 3 run lead to protect. You don't need a Hall of Famer making $15 million to protect a 2 run lead in one inning.
 

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Big difference between these deals. First, the Kemp deal is $20 M per year and runs through his prime, ages 27-34.
The Rodriguez deal started near the end of his prime, running his ages 33-42 at $30 M per year.

What is most amazing is that the Rodriguez deal didn't cost the in competent spendthrift Cashdollar his job.

Gee, Rumps, I thought you would know a little more about what happened with Arod, Cashman and the Steinbrenners. Cashman did not want to resign Arod, but the Steinbrenners did. The Steinbrenners own the team, so they won. So how would that have cost Cashman his job? If you remember (I guess you do not), Cashman announced that if Arod opted out of his contract in 2007, Cashman would not make an effort to resign Arod. Cashman did not, but the Steinbrenners did.
 

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Gee, Rumps, I thought you would know a little more about what happened with Arod, Cashman and the Steinbrenners. Cashman did not want to resign Arod, but the Steinbrenners did. The Steinbrenners own the team, so they won. So how would that have cost Cashman his job? If you remember (I guess you do not), Cashman announced that if Arod opted out of his contract in 2007, Cashman would not make an effort to resign Arod. Cashman did not, but the Steinbrenners did.

Careful dd, you are confusing rumples with "FACTS", it is a word that he has great difficulty accepting due to his serious illness(delusion).:D
 

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Always with the excuses, eh rumpiepoo?..... why is it always about $ with sox fans and not with Yanks fans? I will tell ya why, cause thats all you can counter with. Do you REALLY care what the sox spend to give you, the fans, the best team possible? Like Doc said many times over, you have become like the hated Yanks fans, admit it, no shame in that, we Yanks fans are a great bunch to mold yourself after and our owners put profits back into the brand that makes them a fortune, thats called great business sense. Get off the money issues, its lame and you have beaten it to death. Your sox spent how much last year? Well, they should of spent more since they got little to show for it. ;)

While crusing thru, "ughhhh" bOston today, those guys (well, the ONE that made sense) on weei (or whatever it is called) said "look, we let one of the BEST CLOSERS walk, and if we let the BEST DH do the same, how is that trying to get better?"......... cant believe this but i actually agree with ONE SOX fan! :thumb:



Papelbon's a fine closer. My problem with the money Philly spent on him.
 

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Careful dd, you are confusing rumples with "FACTS", it is a word that he has great difficulty accepting due to his serious illness(delusion).:D
You're a funny guy, Joe.T, talking about another being delusional. If I had nothing better to do with my time, I'd compile a list of some of the things you've said, obviously under the influence of some mind altering substance. Oh, the guys you've had in pinstripes who never wore them and never would. Ah, Dontrelle. Ah, Cliff. And on and on. Let's have a beer some time, Joe, next time you visit planet Earth.
 

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Another challenge Rumps may have is basic math. Papelbon signed a 4-year, 50 million contract. The Phillies gave him an option that would make the contract 63 million over 5 years.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7...llies-complete-50m-contract-jonathan-papelbon


Let's see, what I learned in the second grade was 50 million / 4 = 12.5 million, not 15 million.

And in 2011, the Red Sox paid Papelbon 12 million dollars, not very much less than what the Phillies will be paying him.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6373/jonathan-papelbon


You are right JoeT. FACTS and Math aren't Rumps's strength. lgna, hope you recover from your recent trip. ;)

Papelbon's a fine closer. My problem with the money Philly spent on him is that the position of closer is vastly overrated. I was looking at Mariano Rivera's game log just yesterday. Rivera saved 44 games this year; in 31 of them he had a 2 or 3 run lead to protect. You don't need a Hall of Famer making $15 million to protect a 2 run lead in one inning.

Always with the excuses, eh rumpiepoo?..... why is it always about $ with sox fans and not with Yanks fans? I will tell ya why, cause thats all you can counter with. Do you REALLY care what the sox spend to give you, the fans, the best team possible? Like Doc said many times over, you have become like the hated Yanks fans, admit it, no shame in that, we Yanks fans are a great bunch to mold yourself after and our owners put profits back into the brand that makes them a fortune, thats called great business sense. Get off the money issues, its lame and you have beaten it to death. Your sox spent how much last year? Well, they should of spent more since they got little to show for it. ;)

While crusing thru, "ughhhh" bOston today, those guys (well, the ONE that made sense) on weei (or whatever it is called) said "look, we let one of the BEST CLOSERS walk, and if we let the BEST DH do the same, how is that trying to get better?"......... cant believe this but i actually agree with ONE SOX fan! :thumb:

Careful dd, you are confusing rumples with "FACTS", it is a word that he has great difficulty accepting due to his serious illness(delusion).:D
 

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Papelbon's a fine closer. My problem with the money Philly spent on him is that the position of closer is vastly overrated.

I absolutely agree with you on this. Teams who've spent fortunes on multi-year contracts handed out to closers have often wound up regretting the move for years afterwards. Such a case that comes to mind is the one involving the Jays & B.J. Ryan. He was great in his first season with them, but later developped arm problems requiring Tommy John surgery. He was never the same afterwards & the Jays were stuck with his huge contract.
 

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Another challenge Rumps may have is basic math. Papelbon signed a 4-year, 50 million contract. The Phillies gave him an option that would make the contract 63 million over 5 years.
Have you considered a remedial reading course? What I said, after writing clearly about Mariano Rivera was, "You don't need a Hall of Famer making $15 million to protect a 2 run lead in one inning."

Had you passed second grade, you'd know that I wasn't speaking about Papelbon, who is neither a Hall of Famer nor making $15,000,000 per year, but about Rivera.
 

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Have you considered a remedial reading course? What I said, after writing clearly about Mariano Rivera was, "You don't need a Hall of Famer making $15 million to protect a 2 run lead in one inning."

Had you passed second grade, you'd know that I wasn't speaking about Papelbon, who is neither a Hall of Famer nor making $15,000,000 per year, but about Rivera.

Well, Rumps I guess you are right. Mariano is a future Hall of famer, and Papelbon is probably not. Since you were complaining about the money the Phillies were paying Papelbon and then switched off to Riveria, it was not clear immediately who you were referring to.

Anyhow, Rumps, for your information, I went past the second grade. I graduated College, and had some coursework beyond that. Any misinterpretation of your post doesn't deserve a snide talking down to as though I am imbecile. I definitely am not stupid. Have a pleasant day, Rumps.
 

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Anyhow, Rumps, for your information, I went past the second grade. I graduated College, and had some coursework beyond that. Any misinterpretation of your post doesn't deserve a snide talking down to as though I am imbecile. I definitely am not stupid. Have a pleasant day, Rumps.
Just responding in the same tone which you use in nearly every one of your posts. At least you've stopped following me around to other threads. Thanks for that.
 

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Sveum choses Chicago over Boston

Dale Sveum accepts offer to manage Theo Epstein's Chicago Cubs

MILWAUKEE -- Dale Sveum has accepted an offer to be the next manager of the Chicago Cubs.

Sveum, previously the Milwaukee Brewers hitting coach, will be officially introduced on Friday morning at Wrigley Field, the team said. He succeeds Mike Quade, who was fired a disappointing 71-91 season that extended the Cubs' infamous championship drought to 103 seasons.

Sveum will receive a three-year contract from the Cubs, a baseball source said.

"He's a good manager," said Cubs reliever John Grabow, who played for Sveum at Double-A Altoona from 2001-03. "Really works hard with the hitters. He was more of a hitting guy when I was in Double-A. He was at the field every day working hard with the hitters.

"It doesn't surprise me he got a big league job by any means," Grabow said. "If you would've asked me in Double-A if he was going to be a major league manager, I probably would've said he's got a pretty good chance."

Grabow said Sveum's communication skills are sorely needed in Chicago after the Quade experience.

"He's the kind of guy who can talk to players, not be their best friend, but get to know them and what they're feeling," Grabow said.

Sveum has little experience as a manager, other than an interim stint for the Brewers late in 2008 after Ned Yost's firing, when he led them to the playoffs. He also served as Boston's third base coach when Epstein was the general manager.

Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein and general manager Jed Hoyer were seen walking into Sveum's hotel on Thursday afternoon. They emerged an hour later, walking with Sveum out of the hotel and into a waiting car.

Sveum had competition for the Cubs job. Texas Rangers pitching coach Mike Maddux, Phillies bench coach Pete Mackanin and Indians bench coach Sandy Alomar Jr. all interviewed face-to-face for the spot. Red Sox bench coach DeMarlo Hale was interviewed over the phone and former Boston manager Terry Francona pulled himself out of contention.

Sveum served as Francona's third base coach for two seasons, including during Boston's 2004 championship season.

"Players love him and they should," Francona said Wednesday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "I played with him actually in Milwaukee. He's kind of a players' player. He does things right. He's solid."

Sveum was considered the leading candidate for the Red Sox's managerial vacancy, with the team flying him to Milwaukee for a second interview.

Sveum will take over a Cubs team that finished fifth in the NL Central and is saddled with big contracts belonging to Carlos Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano. The Cubs also boast a talented young player in All-Star shortstop Starlin Castro and a management team led by Epstein with a championship pedigree that the new manager knows well.

When he served as Boston's third base coach in 2004 and 2005, Sveum was often criticized for an aggressive approach that led to runners being thrown out at the plate. But he was part of a championship team and is a believer in advanced statistical analysis, which meshes with Chicago's new leadership.

"I do my due diligence and video work and prepare as much as anybody," Sveum said. "As far as the stats, those are what they are, and we can use them to our advantage. It's a big part of the game now. It's helping us win a lot of ballgames, the stats and the matchups. That's just part of the game now, and you use what you can."

Meanwhile, Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington was headed out of the country, telling reporters before he left the general managers' meetings Thursday that the team's manager search would "take a little breather this weekend."

Asked Thursday morning whether the Red Sox were out of the hunt for Sveum, Cherington replied via text: "If he accepts the job with the Cubs we would be."

As of Wednesday night, the Red Sox had yet to make Sveum an offer, with Cherington talking about the possibility of expanding the search. Besides Sveum, the Red Sox have interviewed Sandy Alomar Jr., Mackanin, Torey Lovullo and Gene Lamont. But the team confirmed Wednesday that Mackanin was no longer under consideration.

"We're not dissatisfied with the candidates we have,'' Cherington said Wednesday. "We feel like these are unique circumstances here. ... We're very happy with the candidates. Our next manager could very well come from among those candidates, but we're not ruling out adding candidates."

Sveum, a switch-hitting shortstop, played 12 seasons with the Brewers and six other teams. He had a 25-homer season before his career was slowed after an outfield collision.

He did well in his limited run as Milwaukee's manager. After Ned Yost was fired following a 3-11 slide in September, Sveum led the Brewers to their first playoff appearance in 26 years, winning six of seven down the stretch and capturing the wild card on the final day of the regular season.

Milwaukee then decided to hire a more experienced manager in the offseason and went with Ken Macha, who lasted two seasons. Sveum stayed on as the hitting coach and oversaw one of the best offenses in the National League last season. With Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder leading the way, the Brewers hit an NL-high 185 homers and were third with a .261 batting average on their way to the NL Central title.

The past two seasons have bottomed out for Chicago. Lou Piniella abruptly retired in August 2010 and while Quade stepped in and did well, the Cubs didn't respond as well this season.

Zambrano was suspended late in the season after another outburst and is likely gone, even with a year left on his five-year, $91.5 million contract. There is a potential ace in Matt Garza and a promising young arm in Andrew Cashner.

First baseman Carlos Pena, a free agent who hit 28 homers with 80 RBIs and a .225 average, would like to come back. Aramis Ramirez, who hit .306 with 26 homers and 93 RBIs, said he plans to explore the free agent market, though there is a mutual $16 million option on the table. Soriano, who has three years remaining on his deal, batted .244 but did hit 26 homers with 88 RBIs.

Gordon Edes is a baseball writer for ESPNBoston.com. Information from ESPNChicago.com's Jon Greenberg, Bruce Levine and The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7246787/dale-sveum-accepts-offer-manage-chicago-cubs
 

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Hello Boyz,

Anyhow, Rumps, for your information, I went past the second grade. I graduated College, and had some coursework beyond that. ...as though I am imbecile. I definitely am not stupid. Have a pleasant day, Rumps.

Thanks for the resume....and the necessary defense.

Sveum choses Chicago over Boston

Dale Sveum accepts offer to manage Theo Epstein's Chicago Cubs

MILWAUKEE -- Dale Sveum has accepted an offer to be the next manager of the Chicago Cubs.

Boston Red Sox: Dale Sveum to the Cubs; an Update on Red Sox Managerial Search


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-cubs-an-update-on-red-sox-managerial-search

It was just announced that Dale Sveum is to be introduced as the new manager of the Theo Epstein led Chicago Cubs tomorrow in a press conference.

Sveum was believed to be the front runner for the Boston Red Sox job as well but yesterday, after second interviews with the Cubs and Sox, the Cubs made an offer and the Red Sox did not.

With news that Pete Mackanin is no longer in the running for the manager's job in Boston, the Red Sox now have three guys to choose from that they have interviewed: Gene Lamont, Sandy Alomar Jr. and Torey Luvollo.

But team president, Larry Lucchino, said the Sox are likely to expand the managerial search but left it at that without any further details.


The latest theory is that Cherington favored Sveum, but Lucchino fought against him. My recent posts copying quotes from the two in the last couple of days show some differences in their viewpoints that seem to match up to this scenario. This latest quote from the Bleacher Report showing dissatisfaction with the candidates by Lucchino so far seems to bear that theory out.

In any case Doc, Sveum wasn't offered the job, and it's only smart to seize a certain opportunity rather than wish for another.

Sveum's character and philosophy seemed like a good fit up to those points. But he always seemed a little short on the level of practical experience. Few in Red Sox Nation were excited about the prospect of hiring him. In fact, none of the names really seem "inspirational". But then, neither did the name Francona at the time. THANKS TITO. :D

BTW...Lucchino is starting to seem more and more like some egotist who wants everything his own way regardless of who he is stepping on or the territory he is intruding on.

Cheers,

Merlot
 
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