Just a thought, how can anybody trust Buchholz after his shenanigans of a few weeks ago, he literally got caught red handed on TV, I personally would never shake hands with the man making a bet because no doubt that he would be a big time Welcher!!!, I don't think the man has an ounce of credibility in him.
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Quite simple, Joe. Nobody but you took the so-called controversy seriously.
And who would know better about welching than you, Joe old boy.
Speaking of gambling, word on the streets of Montreal is that someone who has a .T in his name won some nice coinage at the casino last night, and i also heard a super hot chick at the casino complemented him on his sleeve tats.
As far as Buchholz goes, he is now known as Clay Buchholz*
As far as Buchholz goes, he is now known as Clay Buchholz*
Nice to hear the Joe managed to recover some of his losses.
And as for Mr. Buchholz, the correct spelling is Buchholz, W(9-0)
You mean Clay "the cream" Buchholz*
*caught red handed or beige handed with the cream 2013.
I guess you meant, 2 outta 3 going the Sox way? !!!? Hahahaha.
crickets................ oups. ooops or ouuuuuuuuuuuups!
As is usual with One Mr. CC Sabathia, the BIG MAN heats up when the weather does.......... Great Win By The Empire! lose 5 in a row and still ready to take OVAH first place......... :thumb:
Not this weekend. Nuf CED! Is that how it's spelled? Hahahaha.
HAHAHAHA!!. Let me try and educate you here. 1. The "cream" is a steroid. 2. During the short-lived, now long over faux-controversy involving Buchholz, there was never, except in your mind, any suggestion of steroid use.
Your post can lead to several possible conclusions. 1. You haven't looked at a sports page in the last month. 2. You are so bereft of ideas that you have nothing on which to hang your hat beyond the long disproved and forgotten. 3. Both of the above.
I suspect 3.
Haha, you educate me. Very funny, rumps. Please don't be so arrogant.
No, rumps, the cream is not steroids; the cream could be a foreign substance used to doctor up a ball, or used to grip the ball, which using the substance is still not permitted under baseball rules.
Read this Sport Illustrated article, and you will learn something for once:
Thanks to accusations from Toronto broadcasters and former pitchers Dirk Hayhurst and Jack Morris, Boston pitcher Clay Buchholz has reignited an ageless debate about what constitutes "cheating" in baseball. Buchholz's defense about whether he is putting an illegal substance on his fingers to improve his grip only inflamed the debate.
It's unclear exactly what Buchholz is doing, so for now let's put aside accusations (and gullibility) and stick to the facts. At MLB Network I was able to review in close detail plenty of video of Buchholz from the past two years, including his start in question in Toronto on Wednesday [watch here]. This is what I found to be true:
• Buchholz's left forearm glistens this year with some kind of substance that is not rosin or perspiration. As the righthander admitted, he does keep water on his uniform and in his hair and does pat the rosin bag on his left forearm -- all apparently legal. But rosin is white and has a matte finish. Something wet and mostly clear glistens from Buchholz's left wrist to his elbow, the moisture of which darkens the edge of his left undershirt sleeve.
• This is not perspiration on his left forearm. His right forearm is dry. There is no darkening on the edge of his right undershirt sleeve.
• He regularly rakes his right index and middle fingers across his left forearm, being careful to keep his other fingers raised.
• Buchholz's two-seam fastball (thrown with the index and middle fingers on the seams) is much improved with more movement this year; I wrote about this key improvement in his game weeks ago.
Buchholz's answers to questions from reporters about the accusations from Hayhurst and Morris only confuse the issue. "Are they talking about the stains on my shirt?" he said. "There probably are stains on my shirt, because I've been wearing the same shirt for the last three years."
It was Buchholz who brought up the stains on his shirt. I'm not sure even what it means. (The Red Sox don't launder it?) But I looked at video from last year and found that there are no stains on his left sleeve. There is no glistening on his left forearm. Buchholz is doing something this year with his left forearm that he was not doing last year.
Know this: Most pitchers, not all, use something to improve their grip. There are many "homemade recipes" to go about getting the right kind of tackiness on your index and middle fingers to make the ball spin faster. Rosin by itself doesn't cut it. You need some moisture and tackiness mixed with rosin and water or saliva. I have seen and heard pitchers use pine tar (usually kept on the cap or uniform), sunblock lotion, an aerosol sticky spray and various other lotions as the binding agent with rosin and water or saliva.
It has become fairly common in the past five to 10 years for pitchers swipe or rub the forearm of their non-throwing arm between pitches. Notice that none of the uniformed Blue Jays complained about Buchholz. The complaints came from retired pitchers. The "secret society" among the knowing reminds me of the story when the late Yankees owner George Steinbrenner called manager Lou Piniella during a game to get him to have the umpires check the opposing pitcher for scuffing the baseball. "But George," Piniella said, "our guy is cheating, too!"
The irony is that nobody wrote a better "how-to" explanation of using foreign substances than Hayhurst. In his book Out of My League, Hayhurst wrote about what's inside those backpacks pitchers carry to the bullpen. He wrote when describing the unpacking of the bag: "Then the real supplies came out: various goops and stick 'ems that some morally sensitive fans would call the use of cheating, while we in the business simply called having an edge." Those substances, Hayhurst wrote, include something called "Firm Grip . . . a knockoff of pine tar," shaving cream ("specifically the gel stuff") and sunscreen.
"When rubbed into the skin and mixed with sweat and rosin," Hayhurst wrote, "this stuff actually forms an SPF-40 caliber Fixodent, which a crafty pitcher can mix on the fly. A touch to the wrist slightly below the mitt for some [sun] screen, a wipe of the back of the neck for some sweat, a pat of the rosin bag for the third component, and you'll have enough tack to make the ball hang from your fingertips."
Is it legal? By definition, no. Rule 8.02 bars the use of any "foreign substance" on the baseball. But pitchers have come to rationalize the use of these substances not as throwing a doctored pitch or "spitball," but as the more benign sounding tactic of "improving my grip." As pitching continues to dominate the game, it is based mostly on pitchers adopting the cutter/sinker combination to get late movement on both sides of the plate. Grip has become important to establish high spin rates on such higher-velocity pitches.
The search for homemade recipes to improve grip has become common in baseball. The case of Buchholz in Toronto became uncommon for several reasons: he was called out by former pitchers, the lack of discretion in the extent of coverage of whatever is on his left forearm and the fact that in the year after he posted a 4.56 ERA without a stain on his sleeve he has an MLB-best 1.01 ERA and is throwing the baseball better than anybody in the major leagues.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ml...ue-jays-joey-votto-matt-harvey/#ixzz2V9vjBJ9l
Nice article from a month ago. Old news. Yawn. Almost every pitcher, as we know now, uses sunscreen to improve his grip on a ball. You do like that old news, don't you?
The cream, again, as everyone knows, is a PED. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_cream. Er, almost everyone.
The cream, again, as everyone knows, is a PED. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_cream. Er, almost everyone.
Haha, you educate me. Very funny, rumps. Please don't be so arrogant.
No, rumps, the cream is not steroids; the cream could be a foreign substance used to doctor up a ball, or used to grip the ball, which using the substance is still not permitted under baseball rules.
Read this Sport Illustrated article, and you will learn something for once:
Thanks to accusations from Toronto broadcasters and former pitchers Dirk Hayhurst and Jack Morris, Boston pitcher Clay Buchholz has reignited an ageless debate about what constitutes "cheating" in baseball. Buchholz's defense about whether he is putting an illegal substance on his fingers to improve his grip only inflamed the debate.
It's unclear exactly what Buchholz is doing, so for now let's put aside accusations (and gullibility) and stick to the facts. At MLB Network I was able to review in close detail plenty of video of Buchholz from the past two years, including his start in question in Toronto on Wednesday [watch here]. This is what I found to be true:
• Buchholz's left forearm glistens this year with some kind of substance that is not rosin or perspiration. As the righthander admitted, he does keep water on his uniform and in his hair and does pat the rosin bag on his left forearm -- all apparently legal. But rosin is white and has a matte finish. Something wet and mostly clear glistens from Buchholz's left wrist to his elbow, the moisture of which darkens the edge of his left undershirt sleeve.
• This is not perspiration on his left forearm. His right forearm is dry. There is no darkening on the edge of his right undershirt sleeve.
• He regularly rakes his right index and middle fingers across his left forearm, being careful to keep his other fingers raised.
• Buchholz's two-seam fastball (thrown with the index and middle fingers on the seams) is much improved with more movement this year; I wrote about this key improvement in his game weeks ago.
Buchholz's answers to questions from reporters about the accusations from Hayhurst and Morris only confuse the issue. "Are they talking about the stains on my shirt?" he said. "There probably are stains on my shirt, because I've been wearing the same shirt for the last three years."
It was Buchholz who brought up the stains on his shirt. I'm not sure even what it means. (The Red Sox don't launder it?) But I looked at video from last year and found that there are no stains on his left sleeve. There is no glistening on his left forearm. Buchholz is doing something this year with his left forearm that he was not doing last year.
Know this: Most pitchers, not all, use something to improve their grip. There are many "homemade recipes" to go about getting the right kind of tackiness on your index and middle fingers to make the ball spin faster. Rosin by itself doesn't cut it. You need some moisture and tackiness mixed with rosin and water or saliva. I have seen and heard pitchers use pine tar (usually kept on the cap or uniform), sunblock lotion, an aerosol sticky spray and various other lotions as the binding agent with rosin and water or saliva.
It has become fairly common in the past five to 10 years for pitchers swipe or rub the forearm of their non-throwing arm between pitches. Notice that none of the uniformed Blue Jays complained about Buchholz. The complaints came from retired pitchers. The "secret society" among the knowing reminds me of the story when the late Yankees owner George Steinbrenner called manager Lou Piniella during a game to get him to have the umpires check the opposing pitcher for scuffing the baseball. "But George," Piniella said, "our guy is cheating, too!"
The irony is that nobody wrote a better "how-to" explanation of using foreign substances than Hayhurst. In his book Out of My League, Hayhurst wrote about what's inside those backpacks pitchers carry to the bullpen. He wrote when describing the unpacking of the bag: "Then the real supplies came out: various goops and stick 'ems that some morally sensitive fans would call the use of cheating, while we in the business simply called having an edge." Those substances, Hayhurst wrote, include something called "Firm Grip . . . a knockoff of pine tar," shaving cream ("specifically the gel stuff") and sunscreen.
"When rubbed into the skin and mixed with sweat and rosin," Hayhurst wrote, "this stuff actually forms an SPF-40 caliber Fixodent, which a crafty pitcher can mix on the fly. A touch to the wrist slightly below the mitt for some [sun] screen, a wipe of the back of the neck for some sweat, a pat of the rosin bag for the third component, and you'll have enough tack to make the ball hang from your fingertips."
Is it legal? By definition, no. Rule 8.02 bars the use of any "foreign substance" on the baseball. But pitchers have come to rationalize the use of these substances not as throwing a doctored pitch or "spitball," but as the more benign sounding tactic of "improving my grip." As pitching continues to dominate the game, it is based mostly on pitchers adopting the cutter/sinker combination to get late movement on both sides of the plate. Grip has become important to establish high spin rates on such higher-velocity pitches.
The search for homemade recipes to improve grip has become common in baseball. The case of Buchholz in Toronto became uncommon for several reasons: he was called out by former pitchers, the lack of discretion in the extent of coverage of whatever is on his left forearm and the fact that in the year after he posted a 4.56 ERA without a stain on his sleeve he has an MLB-best 1.01 ERA and is throwing the baseball better than anybody in the major leagues.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ml...ue-jays-joey-votto-matt-harvey/#ixzz2V9vjBJ9l
Ooooooh BOYZ,
So soon after the warning.
Since you are off subject, Joe and others have been honest in saying they know they aren't attractive to SPs. Certainly no one would pay for sex for several years if they could get "super hot chicks". So bravo to the artist, not the wearer.
Funny also how mr .t's public picks rarely ever win, but always win when there's no evidence. :lol:
Unfortunately, some sports fans on a sex board often have no interest in being honest. No one has shown that Buchholz or anyone is guilty of anything. Two sportscasters working for the Toronto Blue Jays made accusations and gave their opinion of what is going on. Many others looked at it and saw nothing. It's no different than all those who made observations of the world before there were high powered telescopes and decided either the Sun revolved around the Earth or the Earth revolved around the Sun. At best, neither side has proven anything about Buchholz.
What you and like-minded buds want to ignore constantly is what the debate is really about, which is the fault in the rules that allows pitchers to use certain things on the ball, but not others. The stuff questioning Buchholz is simply an opportunity to revisit this flaw in the rules, and I agree that everything but rosin should be disallowed/banned. But currently neither Buchholz or many others that might have used certain allowable substances did anything wrong.
What you and your pals fail to grasp is which pitchers the allowances in the rules and this battle against those faults calls into question. As your own post says, the greatest beneficiaries are those who throw the "cutter/sinker combination." Guess who the master is. That's right. The more this question is pushed the more Rivera, who at times lives almost exclusively on the cutter, has to be questioned. Not a convenient consequence of all these "cream" accusations is it.
Yankees Failing Badly:
In the wake of these cream accusations by the board's Yankee fans let's look at the facts:
1. In the last 29 game the Yankees have score more than 4 runs just 6 times in 29 games.
2. They scored 2 or less runs 11 times.
3. In the last 12 game the Yankees have scored 4 runs or less in all but 1 game.
4. In 6 of those last 12 games the Yankees have scored 2 or less runs.
5. Their last 29 games the Yankees run average is 3.4.
6. Their last 12 games the Yankees run average is 2.75 and going down.
7. In the last 7 games the Yankees run average is 1.7, including scoring a grand total of 7 runs in 4 games to the then 18-29 Mets...peeeuuuuuuuuuu.
8. The Yankees got SWEPT by pitchers who have a combined record of 9-13. At Least Detroit in October 2012 had Verlander.
That's right. in the last 7 games the Yankees have scored just 1 run or been shut out 5 times; 3 out of 4 of those to the now 22-32 Mets.
In last night's game, the one in which scapegoating Yankees fans accused Clay Buchholz of cheating, the Yankees had 1 player in the lineup with an average over .260, the Red Sox had 6 players at .274 or better and 4 players over or well over .290. Buchholz only had 4 SOs and a BB, not overwhelming except for hitting ineptitude. Inescapable conclusion: the Yanks were just being the Yanks...Doubront did the same thing to them, no Buchholz needed.
FACE IT: The Yankees have been shaky at hitting anyone for a long time, and the trend is toward total ineptitude. They got swept by a typically inept Mets team, and three of the losing Yankees pitchers were Robertson, Rivera, and Nuno. The only "cream" in the game was the stuff on Yankees bats. You should go with that excuse because otherwise your team is just plain hitting horribly...never mind Buchholz. .
In any case, the cream accusations are a sad excuse failure for a team that is becoming more and more of a run production disaster. But "cream" excuses are what seems to be what amounts to "Yankee Pride" these days. I guess every team is using the "cream" against the Yankees...:lol: :lol: :lol:
BTW - The surging Jays are back to 10.5 out. Good job. :eyebrows:
Cheers,
Merlot
So soon after the warning.
Since you are off subject, Joe and others have been honest in saying they know they aren't attractive to SPs. Certainly no one would pay for sex for several years if they could get "super hot chicks". So bravo to the artist, not the wearer.
Funny also how mr .t's public picks rarely ever win, but always win when there's no evidence. :lol:
Unfortunately, some sports fans on a sex board often have no interest in being honest. No one has shown that Buchholz or anyone is guilty of anything. Two sportscasters working for the Toronto Blue Jays made accusations and gave their opinion of what is going on. Many others looked at it and saw nothing. It's no different than all those who made observations of the world before there were high powered telescopes and decided either the Sun revolved around the Earth or the Earth revolved around the Sun. At best, neither side has proven anything about Buchholz.
What you and like-minded buds want to ignore constantly is what the debate is really about, which is the fault in the rules that allows pitchers to use certain things on the ball, but not others. The stuff questioning Buchholz is simply an opportunity to revisit this flaw in the rules, and I agree that everything but rosin should be disallowed/banned. But currently neither Buchholz or many others that might have used certain allowable substances did anything wrong.
What you and your pals fail to grasp is which pitchers the allowances in the rules and this battle against those faults calls into question. As your own post says, the greatest beneficiaries are those who throw the "cutter/sinker combination." Guess who the master is. That's right. The more this question is pushed the more Rivera, who at times lives almost exclusively on the cutter, has to be questioned. Not a convenient consequence of all these "cream" accusations is it.
Yankees Failing Badly:
In the wake of these cream accusations by the board's Yankee fans let's look at the facts:
1. In the last 29 game the Yankees have score more than 4 runs just 6 times in 29 games.
2. They scored 2 or less runs 11 times.
3. In the last 12 game the Yankees have scored 4 runs or less in all but 1 game.
4. In 6 of those last 12 games the Yankees have scored 2 or less runs.
5. Their last 29 games the Yankees run average is 3.4.
6. Their last 12 games the Yankees run average is 2.75 and going down.
7. In the last 7 games the Yankees run average is 1.7, including scoring a grand total of 7 runs in 4 games to the then 18-29 Mets...peeeuuuuuuuuuu.
8. The Yankees got SWEPT by pitchers who have a combined record of 9-13. At Least Detroit in October 2012 had Verlander.
That's right. in the last 7 games the Yankees have scored just 1 run or been shut out 5 times; 3 out of 4 of those to the now 22-32 Mets.
In last night's game, the one in which scapegoating Yankees fans accused Clay Buchholz of cheating, the Yankees had 1 player in the lineup with an average over .260, the Red Sox had 6 players at .274 or better and 4 players over or well over .290. Buchholz only had 4 SOs and a BB, not overwhelming except for hitting ineptitude. Inescapable conclusion: the Yanks were just being the Yanks...Doubront did the same thing to them, no Buchholz needed.
FACE IT: The Yankees have been shaky at hitting anyone for a long time, and the trend is toward total ineptitude. They got swept by a typically inept Mets team, and three of the losing Yankees pitchers were Robertson, Rivera, and Nuno. The only "cream" in the game was the stuff on Yankees bats. You should go with that excuse because otherwise your team is just plain hitting horribly...never mind Buchholz. .
In any case, the cream accusations are a sad excuse failure for a team that is becoming more and more of a run production disaster. But "cream" excuses are what seems to be what amounts to "Yankee Pride" these days. I guess every team is using the "cream" against the Yankees...:lol: :lol: :lol:
BTW - The surging Jays are back to 10.5 out. Good job. :eyebrows:
Cheers,
Merlot
Yes, the cream accusations are a sad excuse, particularly coming from a person who doesn't even know what the cream is. Nor the clear, I assume.
I guess you did not read the article I posted, rumps? Then you would know what the cream is.
Actually, I've read the article; you didn't need to post it twice. Did you read it? It made no mention of the cream. Now, did you read the article to which I linked, which explained what "the cream" is?
I'm actually quite sure, despite your posting the SI article twice, that you didn't read it, otherwise you'd know a) that Buchholz wasn't doing anything that 90% of all pitchers do and b) that umpires turn a blind eye to it.
Here, I'll make it easy for you:
The cream
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The cream" is a testosterone-based ointment that is used in conjunction with anabolic steroids such as tetrahydrogestrinone (THG, also known as "the clear") in order to mask doping in professional athletes.
The drug was made public when the United States Anti-Doping Agency was contacted by an anonymous athletics coach, later identified as Trevor Graham, who claimed that several top athletes were using THG as an illegal performance enhancing drug. After an investigation, it was revealed that many top baseball athletes were connected with THG; the list included stars such as Jason Giambi, who would also confess to using human growth hormone and testosterone, Gary Sheffield, who admitted using the cream and the clear, albeit unknowingly.
When questioned about the substance, athletes said that the two substances were identified only as "the cream" and "the clear". It was later determined that the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, which supplied THG, had provided it in conjunction with "the cream" in order to increase the overall steroid content of the body. It had been distributed to several athletes by trainer Greg Anderson.
It's really a good idea, and you ought to give some thought to it in the future to a) read what you post before posting it and b) have even the slightest idea of what you're talking about before you make yourself look like a fool.
I do not look like a fool, rumps.
When I said cream I was not referencing steroids. I was referring to the substance, be it sun lotion or whatever he was accused of using by Hayhurst and Morris. Buchholz was not accused of using rosin. He was accused of having something under his non-pitching sleeve. The article does say that many pitchers in the big league make up some type of recipe. And the article says any substance put on the ball is not legal. That's all.
Simply put, you were using the wrong term, since "the cream" as everyone (but you) knows is a PED.
And, when you make a blunt statement that disputes that which is common knowledge, you look silly. Sorry.
A lotion is a cream. English words have different meanings. If you look up a word in a dictionary, there are several meanings for each word. Just because you interpret it one way, doesn't mean everyone else interpret it the same way. Sorry, rumps, I don't look silly because you say so.
Yup, a lotion is a cream. However, "the cream", in the sports vernacular, specifically refers to a PED. You did not say "a cream" in your post; you said "the cream," clearly advertising that you don't know what you're talking about. Thanks for confirming.
Unreal. I have never seen someone argue so much non-stop about something so silly.
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