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rumpleforeskiin

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Wow, never has a one game winning streak launched so many sinking ships. You guys are just too much.

Yes, the Orioles are a good team. So are the Rays. And I expect the Jays to move into the race.

Yup, Special K, it looks like the light hitting Yankees are also the pitching poor Yankees. They have one starting pitcher with an ERA below the league average.
 

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The Red Sox additions are making the Yankee ones look like a bunch of talentless old men.

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Gee, Merlot, these so called "talentless" old men are only 3 games behind your first place Red Sox.

For all of your 3 (haven't seen the 4th in a long time) belittling of the NY Yankees and your obnoxious praise of your team, the Yankees remain only 3 games behind the Red Sox. How come? If the Yankees were as horrible as all you paint them, they would be 15 games back.

It's going to be a 5 team race for much of the season. And it's a long season. And I personally am not going to lose sleep if the Yankees win or lose, because I will be just as happy if the Orioles, or the Rays, or the Yankees or even the Blue Jays win. You know why? None of these teams fans are as poor sports as Red Sox fans are. And that's the truth.
 

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Yes, the Yanks fans are 100X worse than Sox fans DD, sorry to burst your tiny bubble. You keep saying how the Yanks are ONLY 3 games behind the Sox. Look at their lineup, YES, they are pretty much talentless! Believe it. The only saving grace they have is that their pitching has been way above average. They are a paltry, even pathetic, +4 in runs scored this season. Do you even grasp how horrific that is???
 

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Five team race, haha. Here's a piece from today's NY Post, comparing the 2013 Yankees to the 2012 Red Sox. There are, however, two big differences between these teams: 1) the 2013 Yankees don't have a loaded farm system and 2) the 2013 Yankees won't find anyone to take all of their bad contracts.

Decaying & pricey roster has same darn problems as ’12 Sox
By JOEL SHERMAN

It has become an annual baseball rite to wonder whether the current version of the Yankees has devolved into their 1965 forefathers. Or should that be grandfathers, because a dynasty crumbled as stars grew moldy with age?

But what I have begun to wonder is whether the 2013 Yankees are closer cousins to the 2012 Red Sox.

It is easy now to dismiss last year’s Red Sox as a lab experiment gone horribly wrong, with Bobby Valentine as the mad scientist brewing a toxic team chemistry.

And there was huge dysfunction as the collapse and beer-and-fried-chicken debacle of September 2011 spilled into last year.

However, what undermined the 2012 Red Sox most were woeful starting pitching and injuries. They might have survived the rotation malfeasance had they ever stayed healthy, which, like the 2013 Yankees to date, they never did.

Consider the Red Sox were 36-33 last year through 69 games, not far off the Yankees’ current 38-31. And the Red Sox were 48-45 on July 19, just one game out of a wild-card spot. Carl Crawford and Jacoby Ellsbury returned after each missing most of the first half, but David Ortiz injured his Achilles, was expected to miss a few days and played just one game the rest of the year.

This is the where 2012 Red Sox and 2013 Yankees merge: Boston was just trying to weather the opening months to get injured players back. But more players went down, such as Will Middlebrooks and Dustin Pedroia. Some of the players, such as Crawford and Ortiz, suffered re-injuries. An offense that was going to revolve around Crawford, Ellsbury, Ortiz, Pedroia and Adrian Gonzalez never had those five in the lineup at the same time.

The Red Sox had 34 DL stints (the most since MLB began tracking the figure in 1987), 15 of them involving 13 former All-Stars (Crawford and Ortiz were disabled twice each). They lost 1,748 manpower days to the DL.

Suddenly, players such as Mauro Gomez, Ryan Lavarnway and Pedro Ciriaco — Boston’s version of Reid Brignac, David Adams and Thomas Neal — were lineup staples. The Red Sox closed 21-48, tied with the Astros for the second-worst record in the majors.

Now, the Yankees might share Kevin Youkilis’ chronic back problem with Boston, but they do not have the clubhouse animus and — even with CC Sabathia and Andy Pettitte down a grade — they have strong starting pitching. Maybe that will counteract the injuries, as it has so far, to prevent collapse and fuel contention.

Still, the eroding impact of injuries looms. The Yankees have used the DL 15 times (pending word on Mark Teixeira’s re-injured wrist) and lost 653 days of manpower — the major league averages are 10.4 and 390.2. They have DL’ed eight former All-Stars a total of 10 times (Curtis Granderson and Youkilis twice each). The ramification is a Yankees offense as bad in 2013 as the Red Sox’s rotation was in 2012.

Those Red Sox reacted to disaster by dumping the enormous contracts of Crawford, Gonzalez and Josh Beckett (plus Nick Punto) on the Dodgers, initiating a rebuild that has the Red Sox in first place now. But that was a perfect storm because the Dodgers were under new ownership, willing to indulge substantial pacts to buy relevance and, perhaps, contention.

The Yankees have no sugar daddies ready to take Alex Rodriguez and Teixeira off their payroll.

Still, I asked Brian Cashman yesterday whether he would be willing to try to build a better tomorrow by selling in July/August if matters looked bleak, and he said, “I will worry about that if I have to deal with it. That is not on my plate, right now..”

Besides, the Yankees might not have much to sell. Hiroki Kuroda has a full no-trade clause, and when he had the same provision in July 2011, he refused to waive it to leave a losing Dodgers club to accept a trade to the Yankees, among other suitors. Thus, it would be shocking to see him agree to go now. Could Granderson get healthy enough in time to become an interesting chip in July? Would the Yankees really go nuclear and deal Robinson Cano?

Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain are struggling pitchers who are set to become free agents this offseason, which means the Yankees might not get enough to make a deal worthwhile.

If the Yankees become a 2012 Red Sox clone, they cannot expect the one windfall Boston received for its injury-doused plummet last year — a financial reset.
 

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HA HA HA HA HA!!! HO HO HO HO HO HO!!! Are your ready for this?? This is absolutely hilarious. Brace yourself. Ready?? OK, don't say I didn't warn you. Vernon Wells, yes, Vernon "Wells Rings the Bells" Wells is batting cleanup for the light hitting Yankees tonight. HA HA HA HA HA!!! HO HO HO HO HO HO!!!

Update: Youkilis out 10-12 weeks for back surgery. That means $6,000,000 per home run, $1,500,000 per rbi. Nice contract, Brain. This makes Youkilis the Yankees second worst investment at third base this season.

Hmm, I wonder what they'll want for Kuroda come dumping time.
 

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The game's been postponed tonight due to rain, so there's a chance Girardi will change his mind about putting Vernon Wells in the cleanup spot in tomorrow's split doubleheader.

They say Youkilis will be out for 3 months, but i'm guessing his season's over. I've had the same type of surgery & there's no way he'll be able to effectively swing a bat in only 3 months.

Texeira has been put on the 15-day DL. Girardi thinks he'll be okay when he comes off of it. I doubt it. I still say that surgery should have been his only option at spring training when he first injured himself.

Meanwhile, the Jays are playing great baseball and have won 6 straight. I'm predicting another win tonight against the tough Rockies. Jose Reyes will likely be back in the lineup come this weekend. Here come the Jays!!
 

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Hello all,

Gee, Merlot, these so called "talentless" old men are only 3 games behind your first place Red Sox.

You're off subject.

ACEVES:

Well, I had given up on Aceves as a bona fide head-case disaster because of the absolutely awful way he had performed before being sent down to Pawtucket. By I must say he's been next to superb since being brought back up. He began slightly shaky today then sharpened markedly. shutting down Tampa until the rain delay.

I guess no one can say exactly why he's turned totally around thus far, but I liked Farrell's no nonsense handling and the message sent with it...your function is to produce, if you don't, you can become expendable. Maybe Aceves woke up and saw his career light flickering out, then finally put all the BS between his ears away. Whatever happened it's been a very timely comeback with Lester looking shaky. I just hope this shuttle situation doesn't get into his head.

Alfredo Aceves produces with spot starting duty
Up to the task


http://bostonherald.com//sports/red...fredo_aceves_produces_with_spot_starting_duty

Nobody’s going to confuse Alfredo Aceves with Clay Buchholz anytime soon, but lately Aceves has been just as effective as the club’s best starter.

Plus, he actually is able to pitch.

Aceves gets the ball for his third spot start in the last three weeks this afternoon in the first game of a doubleheader against the Rays. In his two previous starts, on May 27 against the Phillies and then last week in St. Petersburg, Fla., against the Rays, Aceves went a combined 2-0 with a 1.50 ERA. He went six innings in each game, holding the Phillies to seven hits, the Rays to just four.

In that same span, Buchholz also made two starts, pitched a third of an inning less, allowed eight hits and also went 2-0, with a 1.54 ERA.

“(Aceves) has done a very good job of it,” said manager John Farrell. “He’s probably one guy that works well without a whole lot of structure. With the spot starts that he’s made, he’s stepped in and for the most part thrown the ball over the plate and kept innings under control. As a result, we’ve won the last two starts he’s made for us.”

By all accounts, Aceves has accepted being part of the Pawtucket-Boston shuttle well, a real plus given his history of having an unpredictable personality. He likely will be back in Rhode Island before the nightcap, started by Felix Doubront, is complete.

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Make that 3 great starts in a row. :thumb:

Cheers,

Merlot

BTW: Didn't Mike of Good Girls promise two free hours with his best lady for the 1000th post. :D
 

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Yes, the Yanks fans are 100X worse than Sox fans DD, sorry to burst your tiny bubble. You keep saying how the Yanks are ONLY 3 games behind the Sox. Look at their lineup, YES, they are pretty much talentless! Believe it. The only saving grace they have is that their pitching has been way above average. They are a paltry, even pathetic, +4 in runs scored this season. Do you even grasp how horrific that is???

You have it backwards, K man. You're confused. Obnoxious Red Sox fan is a Boston trademark, not New York. Red Sox fans are the most Obnoxious in the majors. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fTFFwgSrho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddT4C2VVex4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSDCPhp8tJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPOcb9B4bI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRSrjm5H5do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGERG5WoAY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=CEorDI_i0ig&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=eRSrjm5H5do&NR=1
 

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Actually, Philly fans are the most obnoxious in sports. Yankee fans are the most entitled. Toronto Leafs fan the most ignorant.
 

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Actually, Philly fans are the most obnoxious in sports. Yankee fans are the most entitled. Toronto Leafs fan the most ignorant.

Not really. Boston fans are by far the most obnoxious. Philly fans can get violent, as they get drunk at the games. Yankee fans are harmless. I have seen very few problems at Yankee games. I was at Fenway one time and ahh .... this is a G rated sports thread so I won't get into details. All I can say is Fenway is a dangerous place for non-locals.
 

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Actually, there is ZERO way sox fans can be most entitled since you won 2 championships in what, 92 years? But the other 2 you mention, yea sox fans have their blueprints all "ovah" them. Philly fans are just crazy! :lol:

Jays are on fire and nice to see it, finally... really did not think that team would go a whole season playing that bad.
Actually, Philly fans are the most obnoxious in sports. Yankee fans are the most entitled. Toronto Leafs fan the most ignorant.
 

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Not really. Boston fans are by far the most obnoxious. Philly fans can get violent, as they get drunk at the games. Yankee fans are harmless. I have seen very few problems at Yankee games. I was at Fenway one time and ahh .... this is a G rated sports thread so I won't get into details. All I can say is Fenway is a dangerous place for non-locals.

You were probably acting like an obnoxious entitled buffoon and probably deserved it. One thing I will say is that if you want to be a dick anywhere in Boston then be ready to be called on it ;)
 

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On a side note, did all you Yankee fan boys happen to catch that Pride, Guts, & Determination in full effect at Fenway, America's Most Beloved Ballpark, yesterday during their dominating SWEEP of the Rays doubleheader??? Certainly haven't seen an iota of PG&D in that house that Ruth didn't build this season. OUch!!
 

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:rolleyes:

I see cheap crap is on a roll. Okay...

Yankee fans are harmless. I have seen very few problems at Yankee games. I was at Fenway one time and ahh .... this is a G rated sports thread so I won't get into details. All I can say is Fenway is a dangerous place for non-locals.

I did see a desperate guy take off his overcoat to show off a dirty torn t-shirt and purple tutu while holding a sign that said "cover me in hot butter for $9.95" get pummeled by Sox fans and hauled out of Fenway in chains by police. You're right, it's much safer to keep that in NY among Yankee guys.

Certainly haven't seen an iota of PG&D in that house that Ruth didn't build this season. OUch!!

Actually, it's the House That Dr. Ruth Built. Not only have the pickups like Wells and Hafner long since collapsed, the entire team is such a failure at producing runs that Cashman is leading the parade into psychoanalysis. Look at the 8 games before their last win they were able to score only 1, 3, 2, 4, 2, 2, 2, 2. That's a 2.25 run average per game. HORRENDOUS!!! I hear the new nickname is "Bronx Bummers". ;)

FELIX DOUBRONT:

Meanwhile the Red Sox got the best performance of Doubront's career.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...y-over-rays/1AfJazzWSbFepP38ArCuXM/story.html

Felix Doubront has accumulated pitch counts much higher than the 93 he recorded on Tuesday night. The lefthander has also thrown with more velocity.

But Doubront has never been more dominant — not this season, and not in his four-year career. It was a welcome sign for the Red Sox, who have been waiting for Doubront to make the transition into a reliable pitcher. Doubront pitched a career-high eight innings, anchoring the Red Sox in a 3-1 win against Tampa Bay in the nightcap of a doubleheader.

The 25-year-old struck out six, walked none, and allowed only three hits. He retired the last 17 batters he faced.

It was Doubront’s first scoreless start of any length. He was not rewarded with the victory when closer Andrew Bailey allowed a ninth-inning homer to Kelly Johnson to tie the game, 1-1.

“He more than did his job,” manager John Farrell said.

It’s been a frustratingly inconsistent season for Doubront, who was briefly relegated to the bullpen after a poor start on May 3. Doubront’s fastball once peaked at 96 m.p.h., but he has lost some of his velocity this season. Since rejoining the rotation on May 16, Doubront has a 2.81 ERA, allowing three earned runs or fewer in all seven starts in that span.

“This game gave me more confidence,” Doubront said. “I needed this.”

In Doubront’s last start on June 13, he blew through 103 pitches by the fifth inning. He allowed three earned runs, one home run and walked one.

On Tuesday he was much more economical.

“In the first inning I felt like everything was together,” Doubront said. “I was feeling really good inning by inning and that was really nice.”

Doubront noticed Tampa Bay was attacking him early in the count. But all he was worried about was throwing strikes. He worked on a few mechanical adjustments in his last bullpen session, but mainly focused on hitting the strike zone more consistently and keeping his pitches low.

Of his 93 pitches, 58 were strikes. He consistently hit 90 and 91 m.p.h. on his fastball.

“Everything changes when you’re throwing strikes,” Doubront said. “They have to swing at everything you throw across.”


Cheers,

Merlot
 

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It was a great night in Met-land last night

Matt Harvey and Zack Wheeler were dominant

one day I had a smile on my face...

Best Regards

Smuler
 

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The hottest team in baseball has just won its 8th game in a row!!!!!!! And one of its worst-hitting teams lost again tonight!!!

JAYS ONLY 4 GAMES BACK OF THE MISERABLE YANKEES!!!!

Vernon Wells went 0-7 today while hitting cleanup & is hitting a miserable .224. He should retire now! A. Romine hitting barely .127 and R. Brignac hitting an embarrasing .098!!!! Phil Hughes was his crappy ol' self again, giving up 10 hits and 5 earned runs in only 6 innings of 'work'....."Start spreadin' the news, New York, New York...."
 

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The easy choices:
Robinson Cano - best 2B in MLB of the past 3-4 years
Hideki Kuroda - can't argue with his performance since coming over to the AL East
Mariano Rivera - should start the game and pitch one inning so that young kids watching TV around the country and world can say they saw the Great Mariano play in the All Star game.

Likely to make it:
Brett Gardner - one of the very best defensive outfielders in the game this year and over the past couple of seasons is also on pace to have his best year as a hitter.

Less likely but could be voted in by the other players or by the managers:
CC Sabathia - not having his best season while recovering from off season surgery but rounding into form as his velocity rebounds. A couple of strong starts in the next two weeks would move him up to the 'likely' category.
David Robertson - the future closer of the Yankees. I don't think he'll make it this year but watch out for next season.

Someone's got a great sense of humour tonight & to my surprise, it's a Yankees fan!! :lol:

p.s. But I do agree that Mariano Rivera deserves to be on the all-star team.
 
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