2014 / 2015 Official NHL Thread

[Doc Holliday]

Sidney Crosby is 5'11" ....he now weighs 201lbs but when drafted i am sure he was not even close to that. Marner is already good height and likely is still growing and that 160lbs can turn into 200lbs over the next 2 years with hard work and i would bet you anything it does.

It is the size of his heart that counts and from scouting reports, Marner has one of the biggest in the entire Hockey World and his Hockey IQ cannot be taught. Great pick for the Blue and White and Hunter is also one of the best at discovering talent.

I'm not saying that the Leafs made a bad pick. They very likely made the right choice, but personally i would have went with the safer pick which was Hanifan.

Marner is a gifted player who'll score a lot of goals. He was the top-rated left winger in the draft. Mark Hunter stated that he can also play center and will likely be a center once his plays in the NHL. But my preference would have been to go with the defenceman because to become a great team you need great defencemen. As teams like the habs showed, you can still be a top team even if you can't score any goals.

Speaking of the habs, many habs fans that i know personally are very upset that they didn't do much this weekend other than buy-out P.A. Parenteau. They expected more to happen at the draft. But like other teams may have noticed, Marc Bergevin likely found out that not many teams are lining up for their rejects a.k.a. Tomas Plekanec, David Desharnais, Lars Eller and P.A. Parenteau. You could also add Andrei Markov to that group. Not many teams are willing to touch that contract considering his age and his willingness to only play in Mtl.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Great post as always MISTER Holliday!

Carey Price should demand a restructure of his contract to make him the highest paid player in the NHL. Without him the Canadians are not a playoff team.

 

[smuler]

Too bad his problems ended up destroying what could have been - and should have been - and might STILL end up being (?) - a Hall of Fame career.

He was a mess in a Ranger uniform.. One of many

Kevin Stevens , Boogaard , Redden

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[november]

I like what Don Sweeney did to the Bruins this weekend. Go Habs Go! What was he thinking? Hamilton, Lucic what's next?

 

[Doc Holliday]

I like what Don Sweeney did to the Bruins this weekend. Go Habs Go! What was he thinking? Hamilton, Lucic what's next?

They'll deny it, but it's now obvious that they're rebuilding. But actually, they had to do something in order to give them more cap money, but trading a future star like Dougie Hamilton isn't the answer. He's the future. And now, that great future will happen in Calgary instead of Boston.

Trading Lucic was a possibility i discussed a couple of months ago, but it doesn't make sense that they also retained part of his salary in that trade with LA. Everyone is shaking their heads over that one. The three picks they made are also extremely questionable, especially #14 and #15. One player (Debrusk) was ranked as a late 1st rounder, while the other guy was a early to mid-2nd rounder. Really strange thing to do if you're willing to part with a Lucic and a Hamilton.

If the rebuild is supposed to run its course, they MUST trade Zdeno Chara and they'll likely have to pay part of his big contract if it's to happen. And once Chara goes, they have to figure out what to do with their goaltending situation. Martin Jones, the goalie they got back in the Chara deal, wanted out of LA because he feels he's ready to start. They also have Malcolm Subban waiting in the wings, but he's not ready and current Bruins management aren't too sure he'll ever become a #1 goalie. And then there's good ol' Tuuka Rask. He's being paid quite handsomely, but he doesn't have a clue in how to beat arch-rival Montreal. I feel that the Bruins would like to trade him in order to get value back and considerable cap room. But now he'll be difficult to trade since most teams are set in goal. Could Calgary be once again a trading partner for the Bruins?

As things stand now, the likes of Rask, Bergeron, Krecci and Marchand are wondering if they'll start the next season as Bruins.

 

[Doc Holliday]

He was a mess in a Ranger uniform.. One of many

Kevin Stevens , Boogaard , Redden

Best Regards

Smuler

Don Murdoch, Derek Sanderson, Theoren Fleury, etc. I've also heard stories of Todd Harvey.....

 

[joelcairo]

Carey Price should demand a restructure of his contract to make him the highest paid player in the NHL. Without him the Canadians are not a playoff team.

Without Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf the Leafs are not a playoff team.

Then again, WITH Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf the Leafs are not a playoff team.

Ha ha ha. "Thank you Mr. Burke." "Thank you Mr. Nonis."

 

[joelcairo]

Don Murdoch, Derek Sanderson, Theoren Fleury, etc. I've also heard stories of Todd Harvey.....

And if you go back further there was Camille Henry (alcohol). But every team has had some problems of this sort and Turk and Fleury's troubles began before they were Rangers.

 

[Merlot]

The Hockey News had them ranked 22nd, 28th and 47th respectively. The fact that the rookie GM picked them 13th, 14th and 15th is a calamity. What a total waste of quality picks! What a waste of traded valuable talent!

Oh Nooooooooo! Doc Holiday thinks the Bruins did badly. The same guy who said Burke is a genius, the same guy who said the Leafs would be contenders well before this time. The same guy with the phony sources who are almost as consistently wrong as Joe.t, the same guy who digs up old news and says he's got a new tip, the same guy who sad he'd rather have someone other than Bacock then did a 180 when the Leafs actually hired him, the same guy with the ethical integrity to say the Leafs should throw the season to cheat for a higher pick.

You really can't know much about sports and you really must not know anything about hockey to act like ranking draft picks guarantees anything.

Here's a list of NHL standouts and Hall of Famers drafted late. Not one of them was drafted higher than 72nd due often to NHL rankings:

Jonathan Ericsson 291st 2002 Detroit
Brian Elliott 291st 2003 Ottawa
Jannik Hansen 287th 2004 Vancouver
Adam Burish 282nd 2002 Chicago
Jaroslav Halak 271st 2003 Montreal
Matt Moulson 263rd 2003 Pittsburgh
Mark Streit 262nd 2004 Montreal
Pekka Rinne 258th 2004 Nashville
Dustin Byfuglien 245th 2003 Chicago
Patric Hornqvist 230th 2005 Nashville
Pavol Demitra 227th 1993 Ottawa
Vladimir Konstantinov 221st 1989 Detroit
Anson Carter 220th 1992 Quebec
Johan Hedberg 218th 1994 Philadelphia
Dave Taylor 210th 1975 Los Angeles
Ondrej Palat 208th 2011 Tampa Bay
Dominik Hasek 207th 1983 Chicago
Anders Lindback 207th 2008 Nashville
Henrik Lundqvist 205th 2000 New York Rangers
Joe Pavelski 205th 2003 San Jose
Sergei Kostitsyn 200th 2005 Montreal
Arturs Irbe 196th 1989 Minnesota
Brooks Laich 193rd 2001 Ottawa
Vladimir Malakhov 191st 1989 NY Islanders
Mark Stone 178th 2010 Ottawa
Ryane Clowe 175th 2001 San Jose
Luc Robitaille 171st 1984 Los Angeles
Theoren Fleury 166th 1987 Calgary
John-Michael Liles 159th 2000 Colorado
Peter Bondra 156th 1990 Washington
Brendan Gallagher 147th 2010 Montreal
Andrew Shaw 139th 2011 Chicago
Doug Gilmour 134th 1982 St. Louis
Kris Versteeg 134th 2004 Boston
Daniel Alfredsson 133rd 1994 Ottawa
Jamie Benn 129th 2007 Dallas
Steve Larmer 120th 1980 Chicago
Brett Hull 117th 1984 Calgary
Johnny Gaudreau 104th 2011 Calgary
Johan Franzen 97th 2004 Detroit
Valtteri Filppula 95th 2002 Detroit
Jonathan Quick 72nd 2005 Los Angeles
Cal Clutterbuck 72nd 2006 Minnesota
Frederik Andersen 87th 2012 Anaheim

More - Pavel Datsyuk and the Best NHL Players Drafted Later Than 100th Overall (Another confirming source).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nhl-players-drafted-later-than-100th-overall:

20. Keith Yandle, 105th Overall in 2005
19. Rick Tocchet, 125th Overall in 1983
18. Ron Hextall, 119th Overall in 1982
17. Arturs Irbe, 196th Overall in 1989
16. Miikka Kiprusoff, 116th Overall in 1995
15. Peter Bondra, 156th Overall in 1990
14. Theoren Fleury, 166th Overall in 1987
13. Ryan Miller, 138th Overall in 1999
12. Steve Larmer, 120th Overall in 1980
11. Tim Thomas, 217th in 1994

10. Viacheslav Fetisov, 201st Overall in 1978

9. Henrik Zetterberg, 210th in 1999

8. Doug Gilmour, 134th in 1982

7. Igor Larionov, 214th Overall in 1985

6. Henrik Lundqvist, 205th Overall in 2000

5. Pavel Bure, 113th Overall in 1989

4. Luc Robitaille, 171st Overall in 1984

3. Brett Hull, 117th Overall in 1984

2. Dominik Hasek, 207th Overall in 1983

1. Pavel Datsyuk, 171st Overall in 1998

Right Doc. If the Leafs have your evaluation skills it will be another 48 years without a Stanley Cup.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[wolfie7]

The Russians I get. But wow, I forgot Hull was drafted that late. Crazy with that shot of his. He was a pretty shitty skater, though. I guess that would explain Robitaille, as well.

 

[joelcairo]

More - Pavel Datsyuk and the Best NHL Players Drafted Later Than 100th Overall (Another confirming source).

1. Pavel Datsyuk, 171st Overall in 1998

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[Merlot]

Guys,

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A quick look at the list shows the Red Wings have had quite a skill for identifying good to great talent others have missed. Bravo Detroit.

HEY...did anyone else notice on the list that Toronto was not noted once for recognizing talent. THAT EXPLAINS SOOOOOO MUCH! Right Doc. :lol:

:thumb:

Merlot

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Red Wings have had quite a skill for identifying good to great talent other others have missed.

Going back 30 some odd years Glen Sather put together an excellent team, not sure how much his input is now ( Chiarelli says Sather was not to eager to let Talbot go ) on player selection but the Rangers are no slouches.

 

[wolfie7]

According to Don Cherry, the Wings have drafted well, but only by sheer dumb luck! :lol:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/06/26/detroit-red-wings-don-cherry/29354715/

Cherry is awesome, but on this point, he is wrong. :nono:

 

[Doc Holliday]

According to Don Cherry, the Wings have drafted well, but only by sheer dumb luck! :lol:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/06/26/detroit-red-wings-don-cherry/29354715/

Cherry is awesome, but on this point, he is wrong. :nono:

Actually, he may be right. For years, one of my sibblings close to the Wings organization kept telling me that Babcock always had a beef with the scouting department. The only one that he liked was the european scout. Why? For saving the organization's bacon year after year. For years, Babs would throw tantrums at around this time since he felt his scouting department (minus the european scouts) was always letting the organization down.

That's why, surprise-surprise, that i've been telling all you guys that Mike Babcock would not be back with the Red Wings organization once his contract was up. He actually tried to leave the organization a year ago, but his good buddy Kenny Holland coaxed him out of it. And that's why Babs made damn sure that he'd have input into personnel decisions (including drafting) when he agreed to join the greatest hockey organization on the planet: The Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Going back 30 some odd years Glen Sather put together an excellent team, not sure how much his input is now ( Chiarelli says Sather was not to eager to let Talbot go ) on player selection but the Rangers are no slouches.

Do you know whom the Oilers should have traded for? Tukka Rask. And he was available Saturday and was offered to them. He wouldn't have cost much and he would have been a safer choice than Talbot, who's yet to prove he's a true #1 goalie.

 

[lgna69xxx]

What was Edmonton NOT willing to part with? Hall?

Do you know whom the Oilers should have traded for? Tukka Rask. And he was available Saturday and was offered to them. He wouldn't have cost much and he would have been a safer choice than Talbot, who's yet to prove he's a true #1 goalie.

 

[Doc Holliday]

What was Edmonton NOT willing to part with? Hall?

As far as i know, the only former high picks they'd be willing to trade are Yakupov and Nugent-Hopkins.

Jordan Eberle was supposedly available a few months ago, but it all changed when Peter Chiarelli was fired from the Bruins and joined the Oilers.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Yakupov could flourish with the right orginization. Never understood the hype over Ryan "Ted" Nugent-hopkins. He was a good junior hockey player tho.

As far as i know, the only former high picks they'd be willing to trade are Yakupov and Nugent-Hopkins.

Jordan Eberle was supposedly available a few months ago, but it all changed when Peter Chiarelli was fired from the Bruins and joined the Oilers.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Yakupov could flourish with the right orginization. Never understood the hype over Ryan "Ted" Nugent-hopkins. He was a good junior hockey player tho.

Yakupov could flourish in the right 'environment'. He's an extremely devout muslim and needs to play in a major city with a large concentration of muslims. Toronto, Montreal and New York would be perfect for him.