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lgna69xxx

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MISTER Holliday is a wise wise man.

On another note, it will be interesting to see what Kessel can do with not one but 2 of the best centres in the game today, go get em "Thrill" 50 goals? Possible but 40 should be a given if he stays healthy.

Yes, Pittsburg was definitely guilty. However, not recently and not every single year. Your fellow masochist, Doc Holliday, already recommends the Leafs throw next year also.

Note the word "perpetually" in my comments.
 

voyageur11

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yes they won a lottery. The goal is winning the game not losing thanks to people like you fans are throwing the team jersey on the ice .
Kinda like how Pitt won a lottery to get the best player in the world vladdy my boy? Good one, you funny! :lol:
 

joelcairo

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Classiest Player in the NHL

We all know that Pavel Datsyuk is the most skilled hockey player in the world.

Most of us also know that he is the classiest player in the NHL.

For those poor simpletons who are unaware of this, here is just the LATEST piece of proof:

After Marty St. Louis announced his retirement, Pav tweeted "Congratulations to Marty St. Louis! Great player, phenomenal career! Thanks for making it a little easier to win the Lady Byng trophy now."

Some other players also tweeted...but they were all teammates or former teammates - unlike the Classiest Player in the NHL.
 

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After Marty St. Louis announced his retirement, Pav tweeted "Congratulations to Marty St. Louis! Great player, phenomenal career! Thanks for making it a little easier to win the Lady Byng trophy now."

Nice. Funny. Pav has a dry streak in him. He's a jokester with the local press corps. The English looks too good, though. PR firm manning his Twitter account?

Pav is also not a big man, St. Louis was a champion and hero for all the little guys in the NHL. So it makes sense he or his PR team would give a shout-out.
 

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Dave Andreychuk had 640 goals and 1338 points in a glorious NHL career. He is one of the highest scoring left wingers in NHL history, and is the league's all-time leader in power-play goals with 274. He has won a Stanley Cup.

If the likes of Clark Gillies, Joe Mullen and Bernie Federko are in the HoF, then there should be room for Dave Andreychuk.

Andreychuk just played a long-ass time. He was not an impact player, a gamechanger. BTW, I don't think Joe Mullen or Bernie Federko have any business in the HoF. But if that's the standard, then yes, Andreychuk belongs in there. But then, so does Chris Osgood, if you purely count the stats.

Andreychuk only eclipsed 50 goals twice in his career. Of course, both times with the Leafs, which is why you and Iggy are so infatuated with the glacier-slow winger. And he did it when the NHL was relatively run-and-gun and goals were plentiful. Heck, Petr Klima had a 40-goal year one of those years. Anyone who tells me he is HoF material should get their head examined... Once you go past '94, Andreychuk never even smelled 30 goals in a single season. That was 12 years of mediocrity before his career ended. If you stick around for 23 years, and a solid chunk of those years were in the 80's, sure you're going to score a ton of goals.

Shanny, who you cannot besmirch because he's now a beloved Leaf - he was a much more impactful left winger. He could shoot, he could hit, he could (sorta) skate, and a hell of a leader. Just because you have a Stanley Cup to your name doesn't mean you carried the team. That Lightning team had Lecavalier before he started sucking, St. Louis and Brad Richards in top form. Those guys carried the team. Andreychuk was along for the ride.

And, as Mister Cairo would say, when Andreychuk was on the Leafs, the Leafs SUUUUCKED, as usual. :D I'm sorry, but maybe I forgot some history - did the Leafs win anything during the Andreychuk years?!?!? Oh, no, it's the Leafs. They never win ANYTHING!!! :lol: :lol:
 

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And, as Mister Cairo would say, when Andreychuk was on the Leafs, the Leafs SUUUUCKED, as usual. :D I'm sorry, but maybe I forgot some history - did the Leafs win anything during the Andreychuk years?!?!? Oh, no, it's the Leafs. They never win ANYTHING!!! :lol: :lol:

Well, Sister Cairo would be wrong if she ever said this. Dave Andreychuk played great next to Killer Gilmour on those Leafs teams and were a goal away from facing the habs in the Stanley Cup finals. Those were indeed great times for Leafs fans and big Dave was a big part of the Leafs success in his time in Toronto.
 

joelcairo

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Well, Sister Cairo would be wrong if she ever said this.

I believe personal insults are not allowed Holliday, particularly laughably inaccurate ones coming from compulsive keyboard warriors.

Out of respect for board rules, I'll refrain from replying in kind and including documented proof from postings that you yourself have made on MERB regarding your ...uhh...shall we say "personal preferences"? The curious reader can, of course, research those posts himself - at least those which you have so far failed to delete.

P.S.: Too bad about the lack of return on the Kessel trade...but look on the bright side: in a separate move your heroes were able to add Hab castoff P-A Parenteau for a mere one and a half million dollars. That will probably be the highlight (!!!) of the vaunted Leaf "re-build".
 

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Joel Ward signed with the Sharks for $9.75 millions/3 years. It's a bit high for a 3rd/4th line role player, but that's the nature of unrestricted free agency.

Brendan Saad then signs a 6-year extension with the Blue Jackets for $36 million.

Buffalo also extended Ryan O'Reilly's contract. He signed for $52.5 million/7 years.

Some teams just never learn. The insanity continues.....

And Joe T, PK Subban is indeed a top-7 defenceman. :D
 

Doc Holliday

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Are we talking p.k.subban thrird in line for the norris trophy ?

Popularity contest. The same one who couldn't crack Team Canada's lineup in Sochi. The flamboyant one who owes his popularity to playing in a major market, who would be seen as nothing but a top 30 defenceman if he'd be playing in a market like Edmonton, Arizona, Florida or Columbus.

A very good, grossly overpaid defenceman whose salary kills any team's salary cap. He has 7 more years left to go, but will likely be traded in a few years when the team realizes it can't improve itself unless they get rid of that ridiculous contract.

People around Mtl are blasting Bergevin for his lack of action lately other than re-signing marginal players. But you can't blame him since his hands are tied by the current cap, caused by the stranglehold of Subban's ridiculously high contract which he never wanted to grant him, but it's well known now that the owner forced him to give in to Subban and Don Meehan's demands.
 

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Popularity contest. The same one who couldn't crack Team Canada's lineup in Sochi. The flamboyant one who owes his popularity to playing in a major market, who would be seen as nothing but a top 30 defenceman if he'd be playing in a market like Edmonton, Arizona, Florida or Columbus.

A very good, grossly overpaid defenceman whose salary kills any team's salary cap. He has 7 more years left to go, but will likely be traded in a few years when the team realizes it can't improve itself unless they get rid of that ridiculous contract.

People around Mtl are blasting Bergevin for his lack of action lately other than re-signing marginal players. But you can't blame him since his hands are tied by the current cap, caused by the stranglehold of Subban's ridiculously high contract which he never wanted to grant him, but it's well known now that the owner forced him to give in to Subban and Don Meehan's demands.[/QUOTE i am right about one thing le ridicule ne tue pas
 
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Listen guys, the thing with Subban is he is good with the media, and they are the ones who vote for the Norris trophy. I hate to say that but it's true. Not always does the best player win these awards. Having said that, he's still a very good player/defencemen.
 

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Listen guys, the thing with Subban is he is good with the media, and they are the ones who vote for the Norris trophy. I hate to say that but it's true. Not always does the best player win these awards. Having said that, he's still a very good player/defencemen.

Bingo! :thumb:
 

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The same one who couldn't crack Team Canada's lineup in Sochi. The flamboyant one who owes his popularity to playing in a major market, who would be seen as nothing but a top 30 defenceman if he'd be playing in a market like Edmonton, Arizona, Florida or Columbus.

A very good, grossly overpaid defenceman whose salary kills any team's salary cap. He has 7 more years left to go, but will likely be traded in a few years when the team realizes it can't improve itself unless they get rid of that ridiculous contract.

The above was written regarding P.K.Subban.

Let's look at Dion Phaneuf:

1. Never mind "not cracking Team Canada's lineup at Sochi" - Phaneuf wasn't even NAMED to the team, in fact wasn't even REMOTELY CONSIDERED for the team.

2. "Popularity to playing in a major market" - Phaneuf also plays in "a major market" (namely the Cesspool of the Hockey Universe) but he is one of the LEAST POPULAR players in the entire league.

3. "A very good, grossly overpaid defenceman whose salary kills any team's salary cap" - well, duh, for Phaneuf this is completely true EXCEPT for the "very good" part. As we all know, a better description for Phaneuf (as voted by NHL players) is "Most Overrated Player in the League" or "pylon" (as commonly expressed by fans...including Leaf fans).

4. "Will likely be traded...when the team realizes it can't improve itself unless they get rid of that ridiculous contract" - uh, Earth to Holliday: you DO realize, don't you that what you wrote describes Phaneuf a lot better than Subban? Then again, considering that you're Holliday, you probably don't.

"Thank you Mr. Burke." "Thank you Mr. Nonis." "In Burke we trust." "In Babs we trust."
 

Doc Holliday

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Cairo, why are ya bringin up Phaneuf's name here? Do ya have a crush on him also? :lol:

Seriously my dear friend, we're talkin bout Subban and no one else. If ya have some secret Caitlyn Jenner-type of fantasy for Dion Phaneuf, this aint the thread for it. Let's stick to the point and right now that point is Pernell Karl Subban, whom i generously consider a top 7 defenceman around the NHL.

The habs are somewhat fortunate to have such a talent on their team, but you have to look at the big picture also. The contract Geoffrey Molson forced Marcus Bergevin to give him is a cap-killer on many teams. A $9 million cap-hit for 8 years really ties up any general manager's hands when he's trying to put his team over the top. But Subban is lucky to have a goalie of Carey Price's stature (definitely top 3 or 4) on his team. Were the habs to have an average goalie, they would never have been in the playoffs this season, and likely last year. Were this to be the case, the fans and media would be all over Molson and Bergevin for granting Subban such a ridiculous contract.

That's all i'm saying. I'm also pointing out that he's very popular with the media and also worked for Sportsnet 3 years ago when he was holding out for a new contract. He actually did very well and he's a natural in front of the camera. He'll do very well in broadcasting once his career ends. But the reason he's so popular is because he's playing in a major hockey market. And lets be honest: the fact he's black and playing in a league where 99% of the players (and executives) are white makes him stick out from that large group, which gives him tremendous exposure.

But he's far from being the top defenceman in the league. As i mentionned, he couldnt even crack Team Canada's lineup in Sochi, spending most of the tournament as a cheerleader sitting in the press box. And indeed, he was great at it. The likes of Marc-Edouard Vlacic, Jay Bouwemeester and Alex Pietrangelo were favored over him.

Most knowledgeable hockey observers (such as me & my twin) would greatly favor the likes Duncan Keith, Shea Webber, Mark Giordano, Ryan McDonagh, Drew Doughty and Erik Karlsson over Subban. And were Subban playing in a small market such as Phoenix, i could name at least a dozen more players i'd favour over the Brown Bomber.

Subban also doesnt bring anything to the table for a team like the habs other than jersey sales and hogging the camera. Sure, his biggest asset is his offensive ability. He's got a great shot. But his team was among the worst in the league on the PP and scoring-wise when 5 on 5. Just because of those two facts alone, it rules out completely his importance to the team since he remains a defensive liability when he's on the ice. He'd look even worse defensively if Carey Price didn't save the team's bacon every night.

Would i want Pernell Karl Subban on my team? Definitely. But not at $9 million per season. For 7 more years. Totally ridiculous contract for such a player, who's also somewhat of a disturbance among several of his teammates who cant stand him. That's why he'll never be any team's captain. He's still a man-child, too emotional and lacks leadership skills. That's why the likes of Erik Karlsson, Shea Weber, Mark Giordano, Dion Phaneuf, Ryan McDonagh, Zdeno Chara, Bryce Salvador, Willie Mitchell and Andrew Ference (all defencemen) are captains on their respective teams. They are leaders who lead by example. Subban, like many players, lacks that trait and may never possess it.

I rest my case. :D
 
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