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Even in tight results we often react afterwards as if they were a foregone conclusion, a victory or defeat destined to happen, when in truth there are so many intangibles involved--not the least of which is luck--that things might easily have gone the other way ...

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It’s actually a true statement. When the Golden State Warriors went 73-9 in 2015-16 it was believed they would easily win the NBA title. They won in 2015, 2017 and 2018, but lost to Cleveland in 2016, primarily due to a very foolish foul and suspension of Draymond Green which changed the complexion of that series. Golden State could still have won but at the end of the last game LeBron James made what was probably the most famous blocked shot in NBA history, on a fast break layup he hustled back on.

Soccer is a one game deal and you wonder, what if France allows an own goal like Brazil v. Belgium? How will they react? Stuff like that could conceivably happen. I don’t root against Croatia or for France. France looks like the better team to me and excluding lucky own goals, bad bounces, red cards due to someone losing cool (like Zidane in 2006), you would be inclined to bet on France winning this. But they have to play the game and actually win it. That’s why they play the games.

Would Croatia winning be cool? Well certainly for those in Croatia it would be. I am sure it would be cool for Bill Belichik- he is Croatian American. On a certain level it would be cool. But for them to win playing a style suggested by you guys would be beyond cool. It would be suddenly thrusting midfield into the spotlight, making it sexy to be play midfield in a way never before seen. To me midfield isn’t as sexy as striker but Croatia could change that perception.
 

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The midfield position in soccer is like the field general. No team has ever won the WC with a mediocre midfield. I challenge anyone to name such a team. It's more than likely that the Golden Ball award for the best player in the WC tournament will go to a midfielder, either Modric or Kante.
 

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The midfield position in soccer is like the field general. No team has ever won the WC with a mediocre midfield. I challenge anyone to name such a team. It's more than likely that the Golden Ball award for the best player in the WC tournament will go to a midfielder, either Modric or Kante.

Absolutely totally agree with you. That said yes the midfield position are really important for the continuous success of a team (meaning winning more then a few games in a row) but still soccer is a more well balance sports then many other sports. For example do you think an all star midfield is as important as a great goalie for the playoff in hockey, a great quarter back in american football or a great all star pitcher in baseball? I am not sure it's as important.

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Chicks dig strikers. I would put the WAGs of the 10 best strikers in Europe up against the WAGs of the 10 best midfielders any day of the week. Would be like the top 10 Euphoria girls the last 3 years vs. the top 10 Sweet Montreal girls. An analogy you guys should understand.
 

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Historians of the Napoleonic Wars take note, my favourite bit of writing on the World Cup, from The New Yorker, of all places. Forgive me the indulgence!

World Cup 2018: Kylian Mbappé and France Troll Their Way to the Final

By Brian Phillips

July 10, 2018

Near the very end of France’s World Cup semifinal match against Belgium on Tuesday, with France leading, 1–0, the young French forward Kylian Mbappé took the ball out for a throw-in near the corner on the left side of Belgium’s goal. The fourth official had just held up his signboard to indicate the amount of stoppage time, and there would be quite a lot of it: six minutes, plenty of time for the Belgians to level the score. But before they could do so, they would have to win back possession and advance the ball the full length of the pitch—more than a hundred yards—to where Hugo Lloris was waiting in France’s goal.

This should not have been a problem. Throughout the match, the Belgians held the ball, and held the ball, and probed, and slid short passes around the edges of the eighteen-yard box, and kept nearly sixty per cent of the possession, and completed ninety per cent of their six hundred and thirty passes, almost double the French total. They played an elegant, rhythmic, unhurried game, punctuated by cutting runs from Eden Hazard down the left wing. There was something aristocratic about them, something that suggested Spain when Spain was Spain; if you’d watched just five minutes of the match, and hadn’t seen the score, you’d have assumed Belgium was in control.

But it didn’t work. Belgium moved the ball around the French side of the pitch with liquid ease, but when the time came to score a goal, something was invariably off: De Bruyne was a little off balance, or the ball flew into the box just a few inches ahead of Lukaku’s outstretched foot, or Fellaini’s sproingy Koosh sent a header the slightest bit off target. It wasn’t always the same thing, but it was always something. The Belgians finished with only nine shots—France took nineteen—and only three on target. They spent the whole match plotting for an attack that never came.

France, the second-youngest team in this World Cup, played, by contrast, a pragmatic, arrhythmic, and—for the Belgians—deeply frustrating game. Les Bleus seemed somehow never to have the ball and never to stop shooting it. They hung back, clogged passing lanes, absorbed pressure, and then blink, pow, the ball was blasting over the Belgian goal with a trail of fire crackling after it. The French players didn’t precisely seem defensive, because the spectre of their attacking talent hung over everything they did; you knew the Valkyries could fill the sky at any moment. But they were perversely, patiently canny in a way the Belgians hadn’t planned for. They weren’t playing to assert their own wills so much as to capitalize on the disruption of their opponents’. And when their moment came—as it finally did, after a fifty-first-minute corner kick, when Samuel Umtiti headed the ball past Thibaut Cortois at the near post—you sensed that they wouldn’t miss the chance.

The combination of styles made for a strange game. It looked a bit like the typical Saturday-afternoon match between a favored attacking team and a defensive underdog, but it didn’t quite feel that way. It felt as if France had found a kind of darkly funny and irrational way to play soccer, one which Belgium only knew how to counter through displays of brilliant, but futile and lexiphanic, logic. Through the entire second half the Belgians had the desperate, righteous look of people who do not know a Clickhole article is fake and are trying to argue with it. Never interrupt your enemy, Napoleon said, when he is making a mistake. Belgium was full of ideas, but once the futility of ideas themselves was exposed, they had no ideas after that.

And so: the ninety-first minute. Kylian Mbappé in the corner. Mbappé is nineteen years old. He’s scored three goals so far in this World Cup, more than any teen-ager since Pelé, in 1958. He’s the breakout star of the tournament. He’d been responsible for the prettiest moment in this match, a brain-tickling backheel flick-turn in the fifty-sixth minute. Now, maddeningly, masterfully, he pulled off the ugly coup de grace of France’s magnificent troll job: he made it impossible for Belgium to get the ball back. He looked at the team that had dominated possession all game, and which needed possession to score, and said, “Patience passe science.” He pointed at things. He talked urgently at the referee. He dribbled a little and let the ball go out for another throw. Mercilessly, he happily accepted a yellow card for dribbling away from the referee after the whistle had blown.

It was not, by any means, an unprecedented spell of time-wasting—Mbappé would have been right at home in mid-aughts Serie A—but it was brutally effective. Two of the six remaining minutes withered off the clock without the ball leaving the vicinity of the Belgians’ far corner. Ability, Napoleon said, is nothing without opportunity. The moment was both utterly in contrast to the rest of the match and utterly in keeping with France’s path to the semifinal. Reason is a lie. Talent makes its own rules. France is in the World Cup final. Vive l’anarchie!
 

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EB chicks (as great and beautiful as they are) do not make a team win games ;)
 

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Typical scores for:
American football - 27-17
Basketball: 100-92
NHL hockey: 4-3
Soccer: 1-0

If you're into seeing a lot of balls hitting the net or in the end zone, soccer may not be at the top of your list. The beauty in soccer is in watching the flow of the ball going from one end of the pitch to the other end. The midfielder controls how the ball is flowing that's why I think it's such an important position more so than in other sports.
 

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True Versaute.

I played competitive soccer (hum well let's say highest level in play in quebec during the late 80's..) until 20 year old as a midfield.

All those years back then the play was different. My goal was to be the first on the ball or to steal the ball to relay to ball to front wingers and/or to the front stricker. But no way close to what the role of midfield is today. We were playing forward only. But that is probably because it was our american way of playing at that time. Hey my son now plays on on the competitive team in my town and he rolls the ball backward if needed then forward... He is 9! At that age there is no midfield. They play 1 forward and 2 back wingers (which we could consider midfield) and 3 defense. Central defense allowed to go foward when needed. The beauty to see them understand the game and position at that age is priceless.

It's amazing to see how in soccer all attention is put on the foward stricker that will put 75% of goals but as a coach you just truly understand that each of these goals would not be possible without the perfect play of their teamate leading to that goal.

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Nice story, Jalimon. Your 9 yo is on his way to becoming a two-way player! Takes special talent... Paul Pogba is a two-way player.
 

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Paul Pogba, is a fabulous player along with all that make up the French team, it is not without reason or talent that they are favoured to win the World Cup and I would also put my money on them.

That is why Deschamp is so happy and all joyfull because he as Pogba and Kante in midfield. These are two low key player who goes under the radar but are so important to their team. Of course Croatia as Modric who is, in my opinion, the best player is this WC so far.

Having said that I still favour the Croatian midfield over the French, Modric along with Messi are the two best midfielders in the world today

Hum officially Messi is a forward not a midfield. Unofficially because of his style of play and great playmaking skills he can be considered a midfield. Having seen played a lot I would say he is the most creative player in the game and the most skilled.

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Sam the list of absolute great player who never made it big at the WC or Euro is quite long. Messi's chance were 4 years ago but they lost to a 1 - 0 game in the final against a perfect German team. He did everything in Brazil except wining the final game.
 

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I think Belgium was very motivated to win this game for their fans. It's a fantastic team with world class talent at as many positions as the French squad.
It's their highest finish in WC tournaments so one could say this was a successful campaign although they are certainly capable of winning it all.
I agree Belgium will be one of the top 2 ranked teams in the Euro. They've already extended Martinez's contract as coach of the national team for another 3 years. So this will help with continuity.
 

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There is no international side with two attacking players as talented as De Bruyne & Hazard ...

...but England were not that strong and are fortunate to have gotten this far.
 

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There is no international side with two attacking players as talented as De Bruyne & Hazard ...

Amen to that. Two devastating attacking midfielders showing their stuff against England on the second goal today.
 
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