Any fellow black men here?

[Juugs]

Howdy folks. Been at this hobby for at least 4 years now. I have to say as a black man it’s a good bit harder to find a good SP as a lot of the top ones refuse to see black clients. Sometimes it’s because of attraction but the most common answer I get is bad experiences. Many of us are seen as pimps, thugs or generally bad individuals that mistreat women. Some may give you a chance if you give them a good vibe but generally it’s a big nope.

Anyone fellow black men who got the same responses? Any other men period? For SP’s, is it true seeing black men is in general more risky?

Thank you.

 

[Rosie Sparkles]

There is bad clients of every color and I find it extremely racist to refuse a client based on their skin tone. As long as you respect the limits, are polite and take a shower there should be no problem.

 

[EagerBeaver]

We seem to be rehashing past threads including this one:

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?138616-SP-s-that-see-Black-clients&highlight=Black+men

There has been at least 2 or 3 other threads on the topic. They should all be consolidated. Granted some of the information may be out of date but the trick is to post on a existing thread and update it rather than have 3 or 4 threads all saying the same things.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Juugs,

There was one other very long thread on this topic which I found doing a basic search on "black client" but I elected not to post the link for the following reasons.

The thread was shut down by the Mods after many pages of debate. The OP claimed to be a black man who was denied service by an agency escort. He identified the agency but not the escort. The agency is operated by a visible minority who denied the allegation of racism. The OP appeared startled to learn that the operator was himself a minority. Ultimately after many pages of debate, drama, accusations and counteraccusations, the Mods just shut the thread down. I think the consensus of most people was that the accusation of racism couldn't be substantiated. I mention all of this only to suggest that you be careful because there is a difference between racism and a lady not wanting to service black clients, for which there may be many non racist reasons as discussed in the closed thread. Again, it's not worth rehashing again and again and again so just read the closed thread and you will get it. That is the most well informed thread on this topic but due to the libel/defamation of one agency I chose not to post it. The agency is a good one.

 

[DouMan]

...I've also been told that as a sp I had no right to refuse anybody but that is another debate...

Just goes to show the quality of the asshole. SP's don't need such fkn idiots as clients.
It's off-topic I agree but it pisses me off to see SP's regarded in such a manner.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I totally agree with DouMan. The SP can refuse a client for any reason just as I can do so in my profession. There are also legitimate non racist reasons for refusing particular clients. There are black SPs who refuse to see black clients as well. Anyway this discussion has all been hashed and rehashed in other threads.

 

[jalimon]

In Laval area I am asked more often if I am Arabic. Please do not start a thread hate/flame debate... It's just the reality.

It's a delicate subject on a very intimate service offered by the sp. They are not offering you foot massage so down the road they can chose who they want to see, and as EB said perfectly, without being considered a racist.

If I was the OP I would focus on gathering intel here on which sp see blacks and who are the best one. There are many that do and I know some of them are stellar!

Cheers,

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'm 1/32 black. Do i count?

 

[EagerBeaver]

I'm 1/32 black. Do i count?

No, because your visibly white.

 

[jalimon]

And the last thing we want to know is which part of you is black

 

[EagerBeaver]

Doc's about as white as vanilla ice cream. You can put fudge sauce on vanilla ice cream, but it's still vanilla ice cream.

 

[heliragedeleted]

Although I don’t agree with the tone or some of the statements made by solidsnake, the idea that peers and follow the leader attitude has a lot to do with refusal to see blacks.
Almost all the SP’s i’ve ever talked too that have had bad experiences were with men either drunk and or on drugs. But several of them have complained bitterly of the arabs and now refuse out right to have anything to do with them.
Then again most likely explanation for bad experiences would be poverty as, most SP’s that get harassed are the ones who charge the lowest prices.

 

[Doc Holliday]

And the last thing we want to know is which part of you is black

An ex-gf of mine told me once she had a discussion about this with one of my brother's wives and they concluded the only black part we still had resided below the waist.

I felt no need to argue.

 

[hungry101]

Anyone fellow black men who got the same responses? Any other men period? For SP’s, is it true seeing black men is in general more risky?

.

I had been with a Latina that advertised no black men. After our session we were having a drink of wine and I brought it up. I asked "why?" She told me that she used to see black men but she had been robbed at gun point by a black man one time who posed as a hobbyist. She also told me that she had dated them in the past and I even think that at one time her fiance or something was a black man. She said that for her safety, after the stick-up by the fake hobbyist who happened to be black that she wanted to only see business men. She also told me that when someone writes her to contact her for the first time that if she reads something in Ebonics or ghetto slang she just deletes the email or text and ignores that particular hobbyist but will not see them. She is profiling in preference of a particular client for her safety. She wants business men. We are an easy mark.

I learned from this experience. When I contact an escort by e-mail I always try to write grammatically correct. I cannot always help it because I sometimes try to be funny. I once scared off a girl that I wanted to see because I wrote what I thought was a humorous comment and it made her "uncomfortable" with me and she wouldn't see me. So be careful.

According to the FBI statistics, you belong to a race that is a small percentage of the overall population but commits a disproportionate amount of violent crimes. Like the girl above, you may be unfairly scrutinized for it at some point. These girls do business in the shadows so they sometimes profile because they want to increase the odds of seeing the light of the next day! The good news is that you have the opportunity to build your own reputation through this board and things like P-411 and TER, ISG etc. Everyone has to do this to some extent. Write reviews, show up at GTs, get to know agency owners, SPs, other hobbyists and leave a good impression as you go. Develop the reputation as a low risk, generous, respectful paying customer and I think you will find that you will be able to see the girls that you want to see.

I had looked at this Latina and I thought that her decision (to not see black men) was not fair considering...eh, you know...who she was. But then I thought of what Groucho Marx once said: "I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member.” I guess it takes one to know one.

I love Latinas.

 

[smuler]

I always try to write grammatically correct

As long as I have known you Hungry, you have always mis-spelled something :tape:

Without it....It wouldn't be you :tea:

Off to Lisbon and Barcelona soon

Good to see you..hope all is well

Best Regards
Smuler

 

[EagerBeaver]

Hungry,

Those are very good points and in the past,other escorts have mentioned the same things to me, including one very popular black Indy SP in Montreal. For her it was the reasons you mentioned and she also told me she feared running into someone she knew because she was living in a black immigrant community within Montreal.

 

[jalimon]

An ex-gf of mine told me once she had a discussion about this with one of my brother's wives and they concluded the only black part we still had resided below the waist.

I felt no need to argue.

Frontside or backside? haha

 

[rollingstone]

I've been very open about my middle east origins to anyone who asked. I've even mentioned in in introductory emails to Indies. Also upfront about my obesity. I like to avoid surprises before any meet, but honestly neither characteristic has ever been an issue for me in Montreal or anywhere else in the world. I really do sympathize with people who get rejected because of something they cannot control. But like others have said this service is much more intimate. As hobbyists we have discriminate to our own preferences as well. I would never book anyone I thought was too thin.

 

[skhanyaguy]

This is really an opportunity to file a human rights complaints (or lawsuit) turning down customers on the basis of skin color, ethnicity is really 1960s
Sex is a human right ! :welcome:

 

[hungry101]

As long as I have known you Hungry, you have always mis-spelled something :tape:

Without it....It wouldn't be you :tea:

Off to Lisbon and Barcelona soon

Good to see you..hope all is well

Best Regards
Smuler

Hey Smuler. Good to hear from you as well. I sure wish I could join you. I said I try. I often make some darn typo that I wouldn't make otherwise. When writing a report or replying to an important email etc., I always type on Word and re-read it several times before sending. I do not do that on hooker forums, however. For MERB I type right into the forum thread because I want to minimize leaving evidence somewhere on my hard drive.

Hungry,

Those are very good points and in the past,other escorts have mentioned the same things to me, including one very popular black Indy SP in Montreal. For her it was the reasons you mentioned and she also told me she feared running into someone she knew because she was living in a black immigrant community within Montreal.

I thought I read Doc once write the same thing. Yes it is true and when you operate in the shadows as these girls do there are no witnesses and you can't easily call the police.

FBI are American statistic. Not Canadian. And Montreal is particularly unique even in Canada. Your attitude suggest racial profiling is a great thing. Ridiculous. And "ghetto" talk as an exclusion is vastly different than no black people. Or do white people never talk "ghetto"? No need to answer. It's pretty clear how you think already on it and black men in general...Ps: I was trying to put in a smiley, but it's not working. Argh!Edit: Hmm. I see. Alright. 30.

The first sentence is a very fair point and I was talking about a girl from Minneapolis. The comment about the Ebonics and slang is an indication of low class and not that of a professional. The girls wants to get as much money and subject themselves to the least amount of risk possible.

The comment about "It's pretty clear how you think already on it and black men in general" is a horse shit one. In fact, it is a black man that was my boss and for a time my mentor that did more to further my career than any other person alve and for that I owe him a debt of gratitude. BTW - I took him to Montreal and he had no problems in the very club that you called racist.

You remind me of a quote by Thomas Sowell who said "Racism is not dead but is alive on life support...kept alive by politicians, race hustlers, and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as "racists."

For Juggs - I think I laid a good plan for him to follow. There are no statues of dead white men to tear down or ANTFA or BLM parades and rally's to attend or PTA and city council meetings that you can all join together and shout in to change this one. Follow the recipe in my thread above just like I had to and I promise you will find someone to take your money in return for fair service.