Apple releases iPad...

[Techman]

Merlot, it's pretty much impossible to post performance stats due to the large number of possible configurations of today's systems. Someone who just requires a system for web browsing has totally different needs when compared to a user who does Video editing or photo editing or music editing on their system. If all someone needs is a system to browse the net, any system on the market today will do the job with no problems at all. If you do photo editing and wish to use the latest and greatest version of Photoshop CS4 64bit, you need a relatively powerful PC as Photoshop 64bit is only available on the PC platform. If you are a new user and are getting into Video editing, then the Mac platform may be what you are looking for.

User needs are as varied as the users themselves. Very few users need the power of the i7 computer that I have. Many will be happy with a netbook for it's portability and the ability to hook it up to a large display when at home. In the end, it's impossible to cover all users' needs in a general post.

And I always do my best to include links to either back up what I post or to provide useful information for members. I agree that this is something that should be followed by more posters when it comes to these discussions. In fact, here's one that some users may find interesting:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aajIjMcEp.E4

Techman

 

[mass1965]

Well Apple has released it's newest device. Here's a video of an upcoming advertisement for the new product:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eF0y0IfpPU&feature=player_embedded

As for the Unix part it is possible to bypass the GUI and run Unix from a command line window. It has at is core Unix which I said at the begining and in your documentation says the same thing as BSD is a certified variant of Unix. If it didnt have Unix as core component the Unix command line access would not work. I went through this first hand with a Unix programer. He didnt believe me until I showed him the command line window and he tried using Unix commands from it. He was convinced.
As for you having no brand loyalty you have demonstrated a hatred of all that is Apple, you have made that apparent with almost all your posts. You are clearly biased. You started this thread with Apple bashing, consistant with your over all behavior. Your defensiveness and personal attacks over this make it worse. I have no insecurities over what I know or have done and therefore have no need to beat my own drum. In addition claims of having this or that experience can not be proved either way on this forum.
In any case I am confident that most people trying an Apple system coming from a Windows system will stay with the Mac, that has been my personal experience plus others people that I have known.

 

[Mod 11]

Let's not turn this thread in another APPLE vs MICROSOFT battle, would you guys? If it keeps going like this, we'll have to censor the name of these 2 brands same as we censor competing board's name

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Survey: iPad demand beats early iPhone demand
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10458459-17.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

I just hope I'll be able to get one before I travel at the end of June. As expected, they won't be able to make them fast enough.

 

[Dee]

While I can't wait to see one and probably will buy one I'm surprised that the demand is so high as it seems to be neither fish nor fowl.

I LOVE my iPhone... I continue to me amazed with what I can do with it.

 

[Techman]

Apple bans adult content from app stpre

In a move that smacks of censorship, Apple is banning adult/sexy content from it's popular app store. Of course this doesn't apply to Sports Illustrated or Playboy or FHM or anyone else that pays a high price to peddle their products there.

What's next? Will Apple try to control what web sites you can visit while using their products?

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/19/apple-ban-sex/

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/18/did-apple-just-ban-sexual-content-from-the-app-store/

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/22/itunes-promotes-sports-illustrated-sexy-swimsuit-app/

 

[YouVantOption]

As for the Unix part it is possible to bypass the GUI and run Unix from a command line window. It has at is core Unix which I said at the begining and in your documentation says the same thing as BSD is a certified variant of Unix. If it didnt have Unix as core component the Unix command line access would not work. I went through this first hand with a Unix programer. He didnt believe me until I showed him the command line window and he tried using Unix commands from it. He was convinced.
As for you having no brand loyalty you have demonstrated a hatred of all that is Apple, you have made that apparent with almost all your posts. You are clearly biased. You started this thread with Apple bashing, consistant with your over all behavior. Your defensiveness and personal attacks over this make it worse. I have no insecurities over what I know or have done and therefore have no need to beat my own drum. In addition claims of having this or that experience can not be proved either way on this forum.
In any case I am confident that most people trying an Apple system coming from a Windows system will stay with the Mac, that has been my personal experience plus others people that I have known.

Well said, particularly to bias. Another way of looking at all of this is that while there is no system that is 100% secure, unless it has no net access in a triple-locked room with a rabid pitbull holding an assault rifle and all of its ports epoxy'ed shut, anyone with experience beyond supporting desktops for 30 years knows full well that Windows installations are, by virtue of their market share thousands of times more likely to become infected that any other system out there. If Linux had the market share, the evil-doers on the net would write that many exploits for that platform. like any other developer, malware writers go where the big bucks are. And yes, they get paid for their work. If you want to be more secure on the Internet, and to better protect your personal information such as your identity and banking information, get a Mac.

And don't ever click on links in spam. Or download missing viewer component because a porn site told you to. And change the (probably default) password on your router. And don't use your name or the word 'password' as your password. And, and, and ...

The FTC maintains a great site called onguardonline.org where there are a ton of great tips on how to protect yourself. Check it out.

 

[hornypilgrim]

Yet another tablet entry

this time from India

http://www.cyberindian.net/2010/02/20/notion-ink-announces-adam-tablet-pc/

if I were to buy one, it would be this one. Something quite different from all the others to tinker with. Price is right too, only $350, not aapl's $500. This market is crowded, everybody's on razor thin margins, ala good for consumers. And we still haven't seen the Chinese entries which will no doubt take the pricees down another good notch.

The first generation iPad ain't going to cut it with its high price and low capabilities. Supposedly if one goes into the aapl API, one would find tons more things there than this first generation machine can support, ala this first generation is obsolete when it is released. But let's hope their PA Semi cpu/gpu is capable of handling that extra load when the next gen comes out. A combined cpu/good gpu chip ain't an easy cat to skin.

BTW, for those looking for a netbook to watch 1080p on the go: besides the nVidia Ion solution that will push 1080p for laptops/tablets, Broadcom also has their Crystal HD solution (on a PCIe plugin card like wifi) that is shipping in netbooks from oems like Dell. I friend of mine did not follow my advise and bought a netbook that is not capable of pushing 1080p. Now he is regretting it, no movies on the go.

Hardware is so dirt cheap, one can easily get a full setup, ala a complete personal solution that encompasses everything from data vault to laptop to netbooks to phones, for a very low price. BUT that is if and only if one plans ahead and lay out exactly what one want the whole system to do, and not buy individual items impulsively one at a time.

 

[Techman]

1080P playback on a device with that small a screen is irrelevant even if the screen could display that resolution. Watching movies recorded in 480P or 720P would look just as good on a small display. What is more important than the resolution is the aspect ratio of the display which should be either 16X9 or 16X10 to display widescreen content properly. This is one of many areas where the iPad fails as it is a standard 4x3 aspect ratio display. All netbooks are widescreen profile and movies at 720P will run fine on most of them and no one will be disappointed with the results. Unless you plan on connecting your portable device to a screen larger than 55", lack of 1080P playback should not be a dealbreaker when deciding on what to buy.

There are going to be many tablet offerings hitting the market but very few of them will have a decent marketing machine behind them that can come even close to competing with Apple's advertising dept. And when it comes to consumer devices, it's not always the best product that succeeds in the marketplace but the one with the best marketing.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

And when it comes to consumer devices, it's not always the best product that succeeds in the marketplace but the one with the best marketing.

Techman, thanks for this definitive explanation of how Windoze has dominated the personal computer market over another decidedly superior OS.

 

[Techman]

Marketing had nothing to do with the success of Windows. It was successful due to the fact that it could be installed on a multitude of different hardware combinations from different manufacturers at just about every price point. Apple software could, and still can, only be run on Apple systems which were prohibitively expensive and priced well out of the range of the average small business owner or home user.

Apple computers have always been a niche product and as they hold less than 5 percent of the world market in computers, they are destined to remain as such. In three months since the release of Windows 7, there are already more computers running that operating system than all Apple computers running any version of Apple OS.

Apple may rule the comsumer toy market such as the iPod and iPhone for now, but if they get any more successful in that domain they will soon have to deal with the same anti-trust regulations that MS has to deal with and will eventually be forced to open their closed ecosystem to others. When this day comes, and others are allowed to open their own app stores without having to cater to Steve Jobs morals and greed, I might even consider purchasing one of their mobile devices myself.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Marketing had nothing to do with the success of Windows. It was successful due to the fact that it could be installed on a multitude of different hardware combinations from different manufacturers at just about every price point.

This, my man, is called marketing. Microsoft decided to create a down-market product for widespread release. Then they marketed the hell out of it.

Apple decided to create a niche product for the more discerning customer. They created a superior product and let the discriminating customer come to them.

Ford, by the way, has a considerably higher advertising budget than does Mercedes. Like Microsoft, when your product doesn't compete on a performance level, you market it heavily.

 

[Techman]

You're kidding right? You're trying to say that on a performance level, Macs are better than PCs? There isn't a Mac in existence that can compete with my i7 PC at any price. Apple doesn't even have a pure 64 bit OS on the market yet, has absolutely nothing in the server market - hardware or OS, and probably has about 10% of the available software of the Windows platform. Under the aluminum skin of a Mac is the same hardware as a mid range PC for twice the price. So tell me where this great leap in performance is coming from?

Without Windows and Microsoft, the world would still be waiting to enter the Internet age because the majority of the population still wouldn't be able to afford a computer if they had to pay Apple prices. Windows 95 changed the world of computing, allowing just about anyone to own and use a computer and Apple has never been able to catch up and they never will.

 

[Below500k]

Give me a break Techman, your bias is showing.

Using your logic, there would be no MS at all if it was not for Apple since they invented the consumer personal computer. Historically MS only wrote software for Apple's hardware since it was the only viable personal computer on the market.

And this...

"Without Windows and Microsoft, the world would still be waiting to enter the Internet age because the majority of the population still wouldn't be able to afford a computer if they had to pay Apple prices."

Please. Precisely BECAUSE of Windows ridiculous security flaws and instability I'm surprised that the net ever came into fruition at all! While I understand your point about MS facilitating the masses, it was only due to their thug business policies that there are so many users. The world would have been fine without them, innovation amigo is what facilitates, not business practices. They did revolutionize business, it so happened that that business was software.

And in that respect MS owes EVERYthing to Jobs and co. 95 was just a poorly executed multifinder, just as vista and 7 are a sorry excuse for X. So to say that Apple will never be able to catch up... I think you have this backwards.

I do not think that Chanel is trying to catch up to JC Penny, or Mercedes to Toyota, or Cohiba to Swisher Sweets. Sure they would love the numbers, the money, but they are not willing to sacrifice their brand, or their user's experience to do so. There is a place for both, a market for both.

Finally, I would like to know what it is exactly that your i7 can do faster than any Apple? Exactly what process, and exactly what is your rig and it's costs?

 

[HornyForEver]

Techman,

This thread looks more and more like a Sunday morning mass than an objective technology thread. I like reading you when it comes to strip clubs, boards and restaurants. Though, I mostly ignore your messages when it comes to technology, politics and languages. I agree with regnad, that Apple does not care about volume. It is like blaming Ferrari for not bringing their prices down to match Kea offers!

You're kidding right? You're trying to say that on a performance level, Macs are better than PCs? There isn't a Mac in existence that can compete with my i7 PC at any price.

I have no idea about you PC, and I don't know on what grounds your are basing your statement on, though a quick googling (sorry, I do not bing), led me to this study.

Apple doesn't even have a pure 64 bit OS on the market yet

MacOS is based on UNIX (two BSD flavors actually), and as you might know, building an 64-bit UNIX is just a matter of changing a compilation flag value. When 64-bit architectures and later multi-core processors came in, the only OSes that were ready for such architectures were UNIX-based.

has absolutely nothing in the server market

They do make such offers actually. Though, I agree with you on this one that neither Mac nor Windows is going to make it on the server market.

Without Windows and Microsoft, the world would still be waiting to enter the Internet age because the majority of the population still wouldn't be able to afford a computer if they had to pay Apple prices. Windows 95 changed the world of computing, allowing just about anyone to own and use a computer and Apple has never been able to catch up and they never will.

You are obviously one of the people who think that MS brought the Internet to the masses. MS is absolutely no charity business. You are writing about MS as if it was a charity business. Wake up Techman. If people are enjoying cheap PCs it is thanks to Franklin computers, Columbia Data and Phoenix, but not MS.

With some miraculous little chance, MERB would rank number one in Google's SERPS, as and AFAK nobody is writing about MS anymore, MS is now what IBM used to be in the late 80s.

 

[Below500k]

So now, back on the thread...

The question was, who is this aimed at? It is for the person who wants to do exactly what it does... watch/rent movies on the go, browse and search google, update their facebook, read a book or magazine... you know... your wife.

It is for the person who is not a tech person, who appreciates a larger than a cell phone, lighter than a portable DVD, connect to the internet, find a restaurant, listen to some music on a cool device that they can plug into their computer and have it all work without having to read a thing type of person.

Do you get it yet? No? I'll go on...

These people could give a flying fuck about technology. They could care less about pixel perfect HD aspect ratio, they would prefer it to open their garage door. You mean I can download the latest Vogue while I'm on the train to Toronto and click links that will tell me where to get that near my friends house? YES! I can write an e-mail and watch a TV show? Boohya!

You see the problem is that techheads usually miss the human piece of the puzzle. And without trying to beat a dead horse, that is what Apple does best. Yes it costs more. Yes your Droid also has a touch screen and is probably faster. Yes your HTouch is cheaper. But they just don't feel right to most people, they still feel like a device that was designed by a propellerhead.

The iPad is not perfect, neither in hardware nor software, nothing is. But that platform, again both hardware and software and services, will scoop up another 10 million users very quickly who will appreciate that they do not have (or ever needed) to lug around a laptop that they use primarily to write e-mails, surf and watch movies. So really give props where and when they are due.

Within a year of it's release, you will most definitely be able to make calls easily, and have a forward facing video cam for video chats. At that point, Apple will have once again changed the way average people interact with devices and services.

 

[Mod 11]

Let's not turn this thread in another APPLE vs MICROSOFT battle, would you guys? If it keeps going like this, we'll have to censor the name of these 2 brands same as we censor competing board's name

That post was made on February 8th yet, it look like nobody cared to follow suit.

If I see any more posts in this thread that are not related to the I-Pad, they will get deleted without further warning. The "what's best" war will never end until one of the company vanish and that's not for tomorrow so, let's stop the pointless discussion in this thread please.

If anybody feels like it, create an Apple vs PC thread where the merits and deficiencies of both platforms can be discussed. Up to now, this thread is very civilized but most of it have nothing to do with the original topic.

Thanks

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Apple has now reached an agreement with Conde Naste to have at least 5 of their major magazines published for the iPad. My sense is that the iPad may hold the key to keeping the newspaper and magazine industries from completely imploding.

The idea of being able to sit on a plane, having just downloaded this morning's Washington Post and New York times and read them on my way to an FKK holiday in Frankfurt is quite appealing. While the iPad will never replace my MacBook Pro for most daily activities, the idea of traveling with a 1.5 lb. iPad rather than a 5.5 lb MacBook is quite appealing and well worth the price.

 

[metoo4]

Rumple, isn't that already possible on devices who weight lot less than a pound and cost lot less than half what the I-Pad cost?

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Rumple, isn't that already possible on devices who weight lot less than a pound and cost lot less than half what the I-Pad cost?

Not that I know of. The Kindle, which has very few of the features of the iPad, doesn't have newspaper content or magazine content and, even if it did, would only be able to show the content as black and white text. The magazine content when offered on the iPad will be specifically formatted for the iPad. Apple is now working on a newspaper package as well and may, in fact, wind up as that dying industry's saviour.