That's funny, i was under the impression that it ALWAYS was your favorite peelers club. Speaking of Cleo's, the drinks are on me the next time we're in town together. Only at Cleo's, that is.
Are SPs getting uglier than 3-4 years ago?
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That's funny, i was under the impression that it ALWAYS was your favorite peelers club. Speaking of Cleo's, the drinks are on me the next time we're in town together. Only at Cleo's, that is.
That's funny, i was under the impression that it ALWAYS was your favorite peelers club. Speaking of Cleo's, the drinks are on me the next time we're in town together. Only at Cleo's, that is.
Old friends, drinks and beautiful peelers, you can't beat that for entertainment.
I didn't have time to read all the posts in this thread but on thing is sure: I don't know if GP's are uglier than 3/4 years ago...I only know that I am!
Very well said, JJ. It reminds me of a story a well-known sp (at the time) told me several years ago. She was telling me about her first time in the business, which lasted only one day. She came back a couple of months later, and when i asked what made quit after just two clients, she bluntly told me that she was shocked when the door opened & what was waiting for her on the other side.
Having been to many GT's in the past, she practically described to me the typical john. A middle-aged man, not too good-looking, not exactly in the best of shape, etc. Once, she even claimed i looked like George Clooney as compared to the average 'john'. Of course, this was good for my ego, and of course, these girls never lie, right?
Some time later, i attended a GT and was trying to have a conversation with an sp that i had seen in the past. It wasn't very easy, since we kept getting interrupted by a bunch of horny old bastards who wouldn't stop staring at us. Okay, they were likely staring at her. A few of them got enough nerve to approach her & ask her for her contact info, and by the end of the evening, i wound up coaxing my lady friend into coming to my place for a nightcap.
As we were having our nightcap, we began talking about the horny bastards who had been hounding her (or stalking, whatever) all evening long. One of them i found particularly hideous. I casually mentionned to her that i hoped that she wouldn't give him the time-of-day if he contacted her. She then chuckled, looked at me, and told me that this person whom i considered 'hideous' was actually her typical 'client'. She added that in her line of work, she doesn't always have the opportunity to 'pick-and-chose' like we do. She added that for her, looks don't really matter as much as how she gets treated by her 'client'. As long as the client is respectful & kind to her, that's what's most important. She added that in her career as an sp, she could count on one hand the number of 'clients' that she was actually physically attracted to.
I had only been in the biz for a few years when she told me this, and to be honest, i felt sad for her. However, over time, i realized that this is how the business goes. Young, good-looking guys (like i may have been once) don't really need to see escorts, unless maybe if they're socially inept. I began to see escorts when i was in my 30's, and many times, escorts told me that i was way too young to see escorts & believe it or not, too good-looking for this kind of stuff. Their words, not mine. I considered myself average at the time. I was 30-40 lbs lighter than i am today, and in fantastic physical condition, having dabbled in amateur boxing & regularly playing sports like tennis, basketball, golf & baseball. One girl even refused to charge me as long as i promised her to stop calling escorts & that i would therefore go out to clubs in order to get laid...for free. I was an idiot & insisted on paying her before she left. Man, i should have listened to her! :lol:
What i'm getting at is that just like escorts are for us, maybe we're 5's or 6's in the real world, but appear as 8's or 9's to many of the escorts we see.
... but one thing is sure: I don't know if GP's are uglier than 3/4 years ago...I only know that I am!
:lol: that's a good one !
Sh!t je viens d'realiser que j'me suis meme pas faite la barbe aujourd'hui !
I pretty much agree with you, K-man. However, there are way too many reviews today where the reviewers overrate the girls they see, throwing 8's, 9's and even 10's all over the place. And then, if you put importance in one of those reviews when deciding to see a particular girl, you might wind up being disappointed if you get your hopes too high & she winds up being a 6 in your eyes. However, had she been rated a 6 in those reviews, you might have seen her as a 7 or maybe an 8 had you made up your mind that a '6' would be showing up at your door.
The same could be true for people like us, the hobbyists. Let me explain.
About a decade ago, i had been corresponding with an sp who happened to be the new 'star' in town at the time. She was a high-end independent & we finally decided to meet up for a 'date' after corresponding with one another for months. We couldn't meet earlier since she spent a month or two travelling throughout Asia. When she got back in Canada, she sent me an email which "I realized the other day that the time has come for us to meet."
I was nervous prior to seeing her. I also heard from a common friend that she was as nervous as i was. The reason for this was that our expectations for one another had reached its peak due to comments about us made by others.
The night she arrived @my room, i was anxious, but glad to finally meet her. I looked as good as i ever did: brand new suit, shoes, CK cologne, $80 bottle of champagne, gifts, the works. However, the moment she saw me, a look of disappointment immediately showed up on her face. To be honest, i might have had the same look she had. Don't get me wrong: she looked great, but i didn't get the Catherina Zeta-Jones or Kate Beckinsale resemblance. Later, we became good friends & i would teaser her about this, which she didn't seem to appreciate.
She stooped down in front of me to get something in her purse, and i could tell that she looked uncomfortable. "What's the problem?", i asked her. "I'm not attractive enough for your tastes?" She replied "No, no, it's not that. You're much younger than i imagined you to be. I asked her how old she thought i was, and she replied that she was under the impression (from the way i wrote & the way the girls had described me) that i was around 50. "Gee, sorry. I can go & get my hair dyed grey the next time we meet, if you want", i replied.
She added that it had nothing to do with me, other than the fact she was used to seeing clients that were much older than she was. She also was used to seeing clients that did not speak any french, so she asked me if we could speak english during our time together, which was odd considering that she was a francophone & i was fluent in french. We wound up become very good friends, but i'll still remember the look on her face that first time we met. Ah, those silly high expectations that we have about one another!
The same could be true for people like us, the hobbyists. Let me explain.
About a decade ago, i had been corresponding with an sp who happened to be the new 'star' in town at the time. She was a high-end independent & we finally decided to meet up for a 'date' after corresponding with one another for months. We couldn't meet earlier since she spent a month or two travelling throughout Asia. When she got back in Canada, she sent me an email which "I realized the other day that the time has come for us to meet."
I was nervous prior to seeing her. I also heard from a common friend that she was as nervous as i was. The reason for this was that our expectations for one another had reached its peak due to comments about us made by others.
The night she arrived @my room, i was anxious, but glad to finally meet her. I looked as good as i ever did: brand new suit, shoes, CK cologne, $80 bottle of champagne, gifts, the works. However, the moment she saw me, a look of disappointment immediately showed up on her face. To be honest, i might have had the same look she had. Don't get me wrong: she looked great, but i didn't get the Catherina Zeta-Jones or Kate Beckinsale resemblance. Later, we became good friends & i would teaser her about this, which she didn't seem to appreciate.
She stooped down in front of me to get something in her purse, and i could tell that she looked uncomfortable. "What's the problem?", i asked her. "I'm not attractive enough for your tastes?" She replied "No, no, it's not that. You're much younger than i imagined you to be. I asked her how old she thought i was, and she replied that she was under the impression (from the way i wrote & the way the girls had described me) that i was around 50. "Gee, sorry. I can go & get my hair dyed grey the next time we meet, if you want", i replied.
She added that it had nothing to do with me, other than the fact she was used to seeing clients that were much older than she was. She also was used to seeing clients that did not speak any french, so she asked me if we could speak english during our time together, which was odd considering that she was a francophone & i was fluent in french. We wound up become very good friends, but i'll still remember the look on her face that first time we met. Ah, those silly high expectations that we have about one another!
Like Doc said, I think expectations play a major part in our first impressions of the ladies we meet in this hobby.
Too often, the "disappointment" arises from the often misleading pictures used in advertising.
Sometimes this is because a picture being used is old and doesn't actually look like the person in the picture any more.
Sometimes it's because in the photo they've gone out of their way to emphasize/de-emphasize certain aspects of their appearance.
I know that if I see pictures of a girl that all have her middle covered and is only seen laying down with her tummy sucked in, then she's going to be 10-15 pounds heavier than she appears in the picture.
Regardless, I always expect the ladies to look less appealing than their pictures and this minimizes my disappointment and increases my frequency of being pleasantly surprised. Unfortunately, I am also part of the problem because after having sex with a woman, they always look hotter to me than when I first meet them (I think because my brain now associates their face with a pleasurable memory) and I probably rate girls a point or two higher on the "appearance" scale than I should. That, plus I know a lot of the girls read their reviews and I don't want to piss them off for next time.
As to the original question of "are girls uglier" I would say no. I think there is much more variety than there was a few years ago. I remember back when I first started in this hobby, there were basically three kinds of girls in this business: The "professionals" that worked hard to keep their appearance because it was their bread-and-butter; the low-end escorts who charged less but whose looks were commensurate with what you paid; and the young girls just starting out or trying out the industry for the first time who could range in looks.
Being the discerning customers that we are, we usually steered towards the high-end "professionals" or the just-starting-out girls who have a 33% chance of being hot (or 33% chance of being average and 33% chance of being...ummm...not-so-hot).
I think now there is less stigma on this business and there are a lot more "girls" (and I use this to emphasize the fact that they are younger women) out there who see this business as a legitimate source of income while putting themselves through school, or just out of school who are trying to make some money while they figure out what they eventually want to do with their lives. With this increase in quantity, comes an increase in variety.
Add to the fact that I find there are a lot more agencies out there today, who are constantly looking for new talent and -- because the competition is so high -- often aren't as picky as they once might have been.
And, finally, "back in the day" the independents used to be all of the "seasoned pro" variety who had to charge top-dollar to cover their advertising costs. Nowadays, with the internet being a relatively cheap form of advertising (I'm looking at you "Craigslist") any woman looking to make a few extra bucks can put herself out there. Especially those that wouldn't get hired by an agency in the first place.
So I think it still comes down to "you get what you pay for". If you are a 'discriminating consumer' you will shop around and do your research and make sure you get the best bang for your buck. Sometimes this means paying a little extra to insure the quality is up to your level of expectations. If you indiscriminately throw your money around, you're going to get a lot of hit-or-miss results.
Too often, the "disappointment" arises from the often misleading pictures used in advertising.
Sometimes this is because a picture being used is old and doesn't actually look like the person in the picture any more.
Sometimes it's because in the photo they've gone out of their way to emphasize/de-emphasize certain aspects of their appearance.
I know that if I see pictures of a girl that all have her middle covered and is only seen laying down with her tummy sucked in, then she's going to be 10-15 pounds heavier than she appears in the picture.
Regardless, I always expect the ladies to look less appealing than their pictures and this minimizes my disappointment and increases my frequency of being pleasantly surprised. Unfortunately, I am also part of the problem because after having sex with a woman, they always look hotter to me than when I first meet them (I think because my brain now associates their face with a pleasurable memory) and I probably rate girls a point or two higher on the "appearance" scale than I should. That, plus I know a lot of the girls read their reviews and I don't want to piss them off for next time.
As to the original question of "are girls uglier" I would say no. I think there is much more variety than there was a few years ago. I remember back when I first started in this hobby, there were basically three kinds of girls in this business: The "professionals" that worked hard to keep their appearance because it was their bread-and-butter; the low-end escorts who charged less but whose looks were commensurate with what you paid; and the young girls just starting out or trying out the industry for the first time who could range in looks.
Being the discerning customers that we are, we usually steered towards the high-end "professionals" or the just-starting-out girls who have a 33% chance of being hot (or 33% chance of being average and 33% chance of being...ummm...not-so-hot).
I think now there is less stigma on this business and there are a lot more "girls" (and I use this to emphasize the fact that they are younger women) out there who see this business as a legitimate source of income while putting themselves through school, or just out of school who are trying to make some money while they figure out what they eventually want to do with their lives. With this increase in quantity, comes an increase in variety.
Add to the fact that I find there are a lot more agencies out there today, who are constantly looking for new talent and -- because the competition is so high -- often aren't as picky as they once might have been.
And, finally, "back in the day" the independents used to be all of the "seasoned pro" variety who had to charge top-dollar to cover their advertising costs. Nowadays, with the internet being a relatively cheap form of advertising (I'm looking at you "Craigslist") any woman looking to make a few extra bucks can put herself out there. Especially those that wouldn't get hired by an agency in the first place.
So I think it still comes down to "you get what you pay for". If you are a 'discriminating consumer' you will shop around and do your research and make sure you get the best bang for your buck. Sometimes this means paying a little extra to insure the quality is up to your level of expectations. If you indiscriminately throw your money around, you're going to get a lot of hit-or-miss results.
Bumping this thread from 10 years ago (time flies). I haven't been really hobbying lately. How are the girls today compared to the heyday of Eleganza or Asservissante? There are fewer 18-20 y.o. And yes, the price has gone up. I am lucky to have had the pleasure to experience the heyday. I was looking at my notes yesterday. I don't think the environment today is anything comparable to say 15-20 years ago.
I saw an agency ad featuring a 40 y.o. That's scary!
I saw an agency ad featuring a 40 y.o. That's scary!
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Like you, I was hobbying in the era you did mention (Asservissante, Eleganza, etc). It was an incredible era (perfect cost performance, hot ladies, the stars were accessible to the most, etc), indeed. A very different era, compared to what we have now, indeed. But it is what it is. It is life. We have to deal with what we have. We still have great ladies, but you will need to search a bit more than in those days. Scary? No. Just life. Lol. Just remember that Montreal is still one of the best cities in the world for hobbying. It is not what it used to be, but it is still a great city for that.
Good to talk to somebody who was in the "warzone". It is scary! Even the younger civie girls are ugly, out of shape too.
Too add 10 years ago every agency had some Black escorts, now it is almost all 99% White. No choice for clients like me.
I don't think so. It's more diverse..not 99% white...maybe 60% white.. you may have mixed race, Asian, Middle Eastern, South American, and definitely black ladies.
This actually kind of makes me laugh.
A bunch of old men complaining that girls are getting uglier but have been paying these same girls for the past 10-20 years.
Just imagine what you would end up with if you weren’t paying for it lol.
Personally I find the ones I am seeing to be gorgeous, kind and totally amazing. to spend time with and consider myself lucky to have found such fabulous ladies.
Whether some other guy may think they are a 5 or 6 is their problem not mine, I don’t rate women by numbers anyway but by how I connect with them and how they treat me.
A bunch of old men complaining that girls are getting uglier but have been paying these same girls for the past 10-20 years.
Just imagine what you would end up with if you weren’t paying for it lol.
Personally I find the ones I am seeing to be gorgeous, kind and totally amazing. to spend time with and consider myself lucky to have found such fabulous ladies.
Whether some other guy may think they are a 5 or 6 is their problem not mine, I don’t rate women by numbers anyway but by how I connect with them and how they treat me.
Ah yes, the good old days. Anxiously awaiting for the Eleganza schedule to come out on a Monday, book the girls that I liked, and drive up towards the end of the week from NYC. Never a disappointment and always had solid back ups with Devilish or GOF. Back then there were so many new beautiful girls coming in all the time that trying to see someone for a second time was not that easy to do. It was so fucking awesome! I wish I knew what the big difference from then and now is, but there were so many more options 10 years ago than now, and that was barely using the internet and no texting. The strip club and the escort scene has gone to shit. I would love to know why we had new girls all the time 10 years ago and now we have the same girls still on the roster or "legends" coming back. Yes, there was a pandemic, but even before the pandemic the scene was going to shit. Where are all the new girls!
Eleganza girls back in the day made dealing with the border patrol a pleasure. That's how hot they were.
10 years ago, I gave my explanation:
I just have a theory that ugly people have more children, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. There are still beautiful women on the streets but their numbers have declined. This translates to the SP population.
The "legends" should be (or maybe are) soccer moms by now. I will do what David Duchovny does and saves some $, might as well LOL
Exactly
I always found it funny too read some reviews with grades regarding looks. Looks are important but I have seen some very good looking SP's who provided lackluster service and with a shit** attitude that really hinders the experience. For me, being with an SP is more than juste having sex and I would rather be with a personable SP over a cold insta babe looking SP.
Actually I saw one that was in her mid 40s a few times, Maria Divina who is now unfortunately missing since Covid.
She was totally gorgeous and one of the kindest ladies you would ever want to meet, if all women in their 40 s looked like her I would probably start looking into civilians again.
The younger ones had nothing on this lady she was not only gorgeous but really knew how to please and make a man feel spoiled.
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