Are SPs getting uglier than 3-4 years ago?

[malboro_man]

This is inspired by a discussion about Keli of Ganza:

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?81110-Keli-Eleganza-Helena-of-Troy/page6

I did not find her to be the hype she was purported to be. I would rate her as

6.25/10.

As a baseline, I would rate the following Ganza girls as:

Emmanuelle (2007): 7/10
Karyna (2007): 7.5/10

I would rarely rate any girls at 8/10 or above. Conversely, I would not
rate any guy over 8/10. I would rate myself as 6.5/10.

In almost 2 years, I have never met a SP rated at 7/10 or above. Since
2008, I find the SPs to get uglier and uglier. 2008 seems to be the turning
point. For the girls 18-20 y.o. at the time, that means they were born in
1988-1990.

Before Internet or seeing the photos, I was lucky to be able to get girls at 7/10 or above.

I just have a theory that ugly people have more children, and now the
chickens are coming home to roost. There are still beautiful women
on the streets but their numbers have declined. This translates to the
SP population.

I saw Cassie@Ganza (gone) a while back who was rated here as 9/10 facially.
I would be generous if I offered her 5/10.

I would have left the hobby if I didn`t have good (blind) luck in the beginning
before the agencies advertised on the Internet. Calculating the money I`ve spent
over the years, if I had bought gold instead of hobbying, I could have stacked
150 troy ounces of gold. You could do the math and see the opportunity cost.

I am really going to cut down on the hobbying in the near future. The girls are
just damn ugly.

 

[man77777]

Calculating the money I've spent over the years, if I had bought gold instead of hobbying, I could have stacked 150 troy ounces of gold. You could do the math and see the opportunity cost.

So why dont you stop smoking, malboro-man ?

The only explanation of your feeling (of course its just a feeling, girls cant get uglier) is that memories embellish everyhting..

 

[Gentle]

Maybe luneteries Newlook ?

Seems that people are getting fat easy nowadays but... there is always new girls very sexy.
I know my TDL is always full.

 

[SamKlemmons]

I am really going to cut down on the hobbying in the near future. The girls are
just damn ugly.

Yes, the standards have fallen in the last few years no question about it.

In fact, other than Fantasia previously at MSC, and maybe a girl from Asservissante (I forget her name there, Leah? ...she used to be at T2T) I can't think of any girl who I would rate a star (a 9 or a 10) in some time, nor can I think of even one who is on any agency roster right now.

There is definitely a recruiting drought ...

In fact you are right....I cutting back a bit for a while may not be a bad thing...

 

[Marko Ramius]

It could be that SPs use to go for the glam look, make-up, clothes, heels. Now you might be getting the girl in the street look. Also I suspect that there are more part timers like school girls ( the massage salons are full of them ) house wives, and office ladies that are in the biz.

 

[man77777]

It could be that SPs use to go for the glam look, make-up, clothes, heels. Now you might be getting the girl in the street look..

Yeap agree...

 

[jeff jones]

Part of the problem is people read the reviews and they see scores of 8's and 9's tossed around like candy and think it is no big deal to have an 8 or a 9 show up at your door but if you are realistic and know what an 8 or a 9 really looks like then you are left feeling disappointed. When i see scores of 8 or 9 i realize the lady is more likely a 5 to a 7 and in some cases less then that. The numbers you see are to be taken with a grain of salt. When you walk around mtl in the summertime you see ladies that are in another league from the agency ladies who come to your door. Last summer when i was in mtl i went to dundee's for a couple of drinks and there was this blond barkeep that was drop dead gorgeous, i doubt that there is a single agency lady currently working in mtl who is even close to her in the looks department and the truth of the matter is she was an 8 or an 8.5 out of 10. The problem being many Johns want to believe that they are with elite looking woman and they are not. I guess it is good for there egos.

Now to give this some balance the ladies we are with are very nice and they are out of the league of people such as myself and all others who see them and post on these boards. Those that say they can pick these types of ladies up anytime they want are full of shit or they wouldn't be paying for them like the rest of us. These ladies for the most part that come to our rooms are 5's and 6's with the occasional 7 or slightly above but 7 or above is a rarity, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack but when compared to our wives, or our ex's or our girlfriends or the ladies we try to pick up in the real world then yes these ladies that show up at our door may well look like an 8 or 9 but there not, it only seems that way when we think of the ones that we are with in the real world who have the saggy boobs, the wrinkled butt, big hips and so on and so on. In other words have some age on them. It is not an insult for a girl to be a 5 to a 7 in the looks department so we need to stop thinking that if we say they are a 5 that it is a slap in the face. A five is average and there is nothing a matter with that.

 

[Joe.t]

My, my how times have changed in just a few short months, check out post 7 and draw your own conclusions of the starter of this thread.

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?39163-Houston-Texas&p=619655&highlight=#post619655

BTW Mr. Jones, I totally agree 100 percent with your post.

 

[man77777]

The problem is not to know if the rate is exact, as it is subjective, there is no exact rate. The rating is a way to compar all the SP. A 8 doesnt mean she is a 8 (who can say who is a 8), a 8 means that for the reviewer, she is in top tier of the mtl's SP.

Rating on merb is a way to compar, not a way to exactly evaluate..

Im still able to pick up a 5 or 6 in a bar, and I know Im not the only one here. Thats why Im only looking for top tier SP who for me are 7 in real life. But the reason to see SP are not all about our own attractivness Jeff, it's about the time you dont have, it's about how dangerous it is to cheat with a regular girl for your actual relationship, it's about the possibility you don't have anymore to meet 20's girls in your 30's life, its about the maturity that make you understand it's finally pricy (restaurant, gifts, hotels..) to have mistress than to see SP, it's about the maturity that make you understand your ego is not that important in the way you manage to fuck these hotties, its also about the fact you understand seeing SP is finally a good way to meet free sexfriend...

 

[jeff jones]

BTW Mr. Jones, I totally agree 100 percent with your post.

Joe when i met you at that gt in 09 i said right then and there that you were a scholar and a gentleman and you prove me right time and time again

 

[Toxic1979]

man7777.... Agreed! In my opinion, every rating can be considered a YMMV..... because the rating scale is based on subjectivity of your experience. The idea is to look for the consistencies is an SP, based on others ratings.

Being with SP's saves me the time, energy, and ego, of having to go out, and work on the pick up scene. And having to "settle" on certain evenings (because Im horny a dog in heat that evening) , or go away empty handed... and frustrated.

It also allows for more variety in my selection, without having to consider the other persons preferences in me. If I want to try asian that evening... make a call.... never mind going out a looking.

Sounds selfish, but in all reality the whole arranged situation is selfish.... I want the company and the sex.... and she wants my money. She's not there to be my girlfriend... she's there to give me a limited time experience of a girlfriend.

It would be interesting if the SP's could give the John's ratings....LOL!

 

[ManApart]

I really didn`t hobby much 3,4,5 years ago, so I can`t accurately talk about what was going on then. I do think that right now, there are plenty of cute girls who give a very nice time for 1 hour or more. Like man77777 stated, each ratings system is personalized to the reviewer and are just a basis of comparison.

Your scale Marlboro, is a lot stricter than anyone else. To say there are no good looking girls today, is not accurate. If you saw some of these girls on the street and they weren`t SPs, but just regular girls who were flirting with you, you would think they were hot and be thrilled. I thought the comment above by jnutz was pretty insightful regarding this.

To say there are many DDG girls around is not accurate either. There really are not that many, I agree with you. Not at the regular $180-$200 rates. So if 8 on your scale is DDG, then ya you are right, there are not many 8s around. There really are not that many DDG girls around period, so it`s not like they grow on trees. Then to become an SP even narrows it down much further. If you cannot be happy with an encounter unless the girl is ultra top 1%, drop dead gorgeous, well I understand your plight. In general though, there are a number of very cute girls, who are way above average and sometimes we have to be reasonable regarding what we want and expect.

Keli is a cute girl and gives a very nice service. Is she DDG? No, she is like I said, a cute girl. She isn`t Megan Fox or Bar Rafaeli or those super hot Victoria Secret models. Compared to them she is GND. If you are expecting to get Victoria Secret Models with angel faces and super trained bodies, it just isn`t going to happen very often. If unless an SP looks like this, you won`t be satisfied, then yes you will be mostly left disappointed. I don`t think too many people over hyped Keli`s looks. Most guys said she was cute (an 8 on my scale), but nobody ever said she was gorgeous and would make your jaw drop. Just temper your expectations and you will be entering sessions with a better chance of being satisfied.

I mean think about it, to pay $200 to get a 20 year old cute girl with a hot body to DFK you and you and then let you do her every which way, is a pretty damn good thing and we are bloody lucky. Let`s not take things for granted now. 5 years ago, when I had not much going on for months at a time and didn`t think about the escort option, if you would have put my mind and knowledge now, into my mind back then, I swear I literally would have cried tears of joy with how great the realization would be. I don`t forget that.

 

[jeff jones]

It would be interesting if the SP's could give the John's ratings....LOL!

It would be a harsh dose of reality which would bruise the ego of many of us johns. We may discover that these ladies don't really, really like us and we may not be as funny or charming or as handsome as we like to believe. There version of the date would be no where close to the way we see it. The only part of most johns that they see as cute and cuddly, that they could look at all night long is there wallet and if you keep it real that won't offend you nor should it. They are there for the money and there is nothing a matter with that and we are there for the sex.

 

[malboro_man]

I really didn't hobby much 3,4,5 years ago, so I can't accurately talk about what was going on then. I do think that right now, there are plenty of cute girls who give a very nice time for 1 hour or more. Like man77777 stated, each ratings system is personalized to the reviewer and are just a basis of comparison.

MA: Yes, my scale is stricter than most. In fact, I became stricter over time because I got
spoiled! Up until a few years ago, I was able to meet at least 3 SPs at 7/10 or above per year.

Yes, I would say 8/10 to be DDG. I don't know if I've ever encountered a 8/10 or above.

I agree with you that there are still some cute girls who give good service. There are also
ugly girls who give good service as well.

Sometimes, the rate does not correlate to the SP's beauty. Back in 2001, I paid 300/h
for an agency called "Sweet Dreams" or something. She was not worth that amount. Keep
in mind, that was almost 12 years ago when the going rate was half of that or less. At that
point, I decided to go with the "normal" agencies.

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Joe.t]

It would be a harsh dose of reality which would bruise the ego of many of us johns. We may discover that these ladies don't really, really like us and we may not be as funny or charming or as handsome as we like to believe. There version of the date would be no where close to the way we see it. The only part of most johns that they see as cute and cuddly, that they could look at all night long is there wallet and if you keep it real that won't offend you nor should it. They are there for the money and there is nothing a matter with that and we are there for the sex.

Ouch!!!, that hurt, you just ruined the eternal, sweet dream that I was in, thanks a lot Mr Jones you son of a bitch!!!

 

[man77777]

It would be interesting if the SP's could give the John's ratings....LOL!

IMO, if we take the average of all merb's member, they would give :

- Look : 3

- Service : 6 (viagra + experience)

- Attitude : 7 (I dont think the young guys they pick up on friday night are more interessant, nicer, classier nor softer)

 

[jeff jones]

Ouch!!!, that hurt, you just ruined the eternal, sweet dream that I was in, thanks a lot Mr Jones you son of a bitch!!!

Joe forgive me, i should have said i meant everyone except you. There is no way these young ladies aren't in love with you.

 

[jeff jones]

I may have been wrong when i said there are no 8 or 9,s that come to your door. Heck after reading the ads for tonight it appears there maybe some 10's available tonight. The following is offered in little old montreal, a french goddess, an arabic princess, another ad features the hottest girls in town and another ad describes a hotty as simply DA BOMB.

 

[Merlot]

It would be a harsh dose of reality which would bruise the ego of many of us johns. We may discover that these ladies don't really, really like us and we may not be as funny or charming or as handsome as we like to believe. There version of the date would be no where close to the way we see it. The only part of most johns that they see as cute and cuddly, that they could look at all night long is there wallet and if you keep it real that won't offend you nor should it. They are there for the money and there is nothing a matter with that and we are there for the sex.

Hmmm,

And yet with all your dark perspective and skepticism, you are here and it follows you keep handing over the money to these lying, cheating, scheming, gold-digger ladies. So we can take it that you enjoy paying for Masochism.

I am really going to cut down on the hobbying in the near future. The girls are
just damn ugly.

MM, you've been around since 2005. The lack of looks as you say is probably more about wet dreams of anticipation in a new hobby when you started versus years of experience the fading luster of fantasy. I haven't found looks on the average any different.

Then again, maybe you've just grown in broader appreciation.

Good luck,

Merlot

 

[metoo4]

Yes, my scale is stricter than most. In fact, I became stricter over time because I got
spoiled! Up until a few years ago, I was able to meet at least 3 SPs at 7/10 or above per year.

Hi Malboro

Your scale is stricter according to your likings. There is nothing bad or weird about that. It does not mean the girls you consider more beautiful are really more beautiful and it does not mean the girls you think are less beautiful are less beautiful. All it mean is you refined your preferences and the part where you say you were spoiled is true. The way you see the girls is according to your experience and a girl you put as 6 can be a 10 for somebody else.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. There are many SP who make a good living I would not have sex with even if I was paid to do it.
What we consider beautiful have to do with what is around us and what is available.