Are well-known agencies lower risk?

[alexisdavis]

Do you guys think there is a correlation between a well-known agency and a lower risk for STDs? Are they more strict with screening their SPs?

On a related note, have there been stories of anyone catching anything from SPs from Euphoria, Vogue, and/or XO? I imagine it would be a big deal if that happened?

 

[2fast2slow]

after 20 years of this hobby, and countless bbbjs and daty i never caught anything from anybody, high end or low end. There have been numerous threads on this subject. Obviously, if someone did catch something, most would not reveal it here. But after all these years, and the fact that posters here are anonymous, you would think at least one person would be brave enough to come clean. the fact that nobody ever has also adds to my theory that you just dont catch anything (although never understood how i did not catch herpes if you read about the contagiousness of it)

I now beleive that you only catch things with bbfs. basic hygiene takes care of the rest. that's my beleif. Shower after sex and rinse with mouthwash if you are paranoid

 

[transatlantic]

Do you guys think there is a correlation between a well-known agency and a lower risk for STDs? Are they more strict with screening their SPs?

No evidence to support that. If you are concern with this, then abstain, use protection, and/or get tested yourself.

On a related note, have there been stories of anyone catching anything from SPs from Euphoria, Vogue, and/or XO? I imagine it would be a big deal if that happened?

I doubt most people would come here and report they got a STD and even then they can't credibly prove where it came from. New members reporting it will be discredited by the community while established members have even less incentive to announce they got STD.

 

[Roasted]

The reality is that there is no hard data on the relative risk of various sexual activities since valid studies are almost impossible to do. Your risk of catching something is related to the frequency of your activities, the nature of the activities and the likelihood that your partner has a STI. In turn, the likelihood that your partner has a STI, depends the nature of the activities she partakes in, the frequency of such activities and, on the frequency that she gets tested/awareness of symptoms.

I think the most important things that you can do is use protection (no BBFS) and find partners that give you the impression that they take care of themselves (girls in major agencies and higher end indys generally give that impression). Then you can reduce your risk even further by avoiding BBBJ and DATY + kissing to a lesser level. Anecdotal evidence seems to show the risks related to BBBJ is low enough that it may be an acceptable risk for several people. It all depends of your tolerance to risk, if you have none, I recommend finding another activity.

 

[Julia Sky]

I now beleive that you only catch things with bbfs. basic hygiene takes care of the rest.

The problem with your theory is you can't spread false information like this just because it's what you think. STDs are transmissible via oral sex too (most often from a penis to a throat (BBBJ)), herpes is transmissible via skin contact (not specifically bbfs), aids via blood (you can catch it from anywhere on your body if you have cuts for example)... So to openly tell someone you think STDs are only a concern when it comes to BBFS... I think that is not okay.

Yes the risk is considerably lower when it comes to these other activities but there is a risk and if you're not sure about the risks, don't talk about the risks. Let more informed people take care of that.

 

[hungry101]

The reality is that there is no hard data on the relative risk of various sexual activities since valid studies are almost impossible to do....It all depends of your tolerance to risk, if you have none, I recommend finding another activity.

A couple of great quotes here.

I wanted to add that I just read Kate Holden's Book In My Skin: A Memoir of Addiction. Kate was a college grad that got into Heroin after college when she fell in with the wrong crowd in Australia. Unless your an actor or a music artist about the only way you can pay for this addiction is to either become a thief or a prostitute. She started as a street walker and then advanced to a low end brothel where she said "everyone was a user" and then advanced to a high end brothel where if it was determined you were a user your employment (or ability to associate yourself with that brothel and ability to rent rooms there) was terminated. She was able to hide her addiction well.

There is plenty of data out there that says that people that share needles are at high risk for transmitting and receiving the aids virus. This is one I would preferably avoid. Back in the day you didn't want herpes but no a days you jump off the Doctor's table and say "Hooray! I got Herpes. I'm gonna live!!!" Having unprotected anal or vaginal sex with opiate users that inject themselves is probably right up there. And we all know that sometimes the rubber breaks!

 

[cloudsurf]

STDs are transmissible via oral sex too (most often from a penis to a throat (BBBJ)), herpes is transmissible via skin contact (not specifically bbfs), aids via blood (you can catch it from anywhere on your body if you have cuts for example)... So to openly tell someone you think STDs are only a concern when it comes to BBFS... I think that is not okay.
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Julia is absolutely correct.
Many people carry std`s and are asymptomatic...... unless you get tested you won`t know.
From kissing to DATY to BBBJDTCIM there are various degrees of risk. A condom won`t protect your balls from getting herpes.

Many guys and women on these boards are in denial about the risks.

 

[Roasted]

Many guys and women on these boards are in denial about the risks.

Indeed.

When the truth is not easily established, people tend to make up their own truths from wishes and anecdotes.

Considering the prevalence of STIs and the large number of sexual exchanges that occur everyday, I think it is likely that there have been several casses of transmission at all levels of the industry, people just don't talk about it openly because you rarely know for sure how the transmission occurred. The odds seem low enough that someone can go a long time, even decades, without catching anything but the risks exist.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Many guys and women on these boards are in denial about the risks.

I think its mostly that they accept the risk instead. Its like taking your car, you know there is always a risk of getting in an accident and dying, even if you are the most carefull driver. You just accept that risk because you need your car in life.

 

[EagerBeaver]

No evidence to support that. If you are concern with this, then abstain, use protection, and/or get tested yourself.


I doubt most people would come here and report they got a STD and even then they can't credibly prove where it came from. New members reporting it will be discredited by the community while established members have even less incentive to announce they got STD.

I totally agree with the comments of transatlantic. I don't see the OP's thread question as remotely valid. There is no reliable empirical data on any of these issues - zero. I have been on MERB since its inception and have yet to see any thread on STDs that was remotely in accordance with reality. It is sufficient to say that sexual activity that is not protected carries a risk with whomever it is conducted, SP or "civilian", and one either chooses to accept it or not. In my mind the risk is not very significant unless one is engaging in BBFS. But it exists. Assume it, or not.

 

[2fast2slow]

The problem with your theory is you can't spread false information like this just because it's what you think.

i said twice in my post that that is my belief. i.e. an opinion. I absolutely have the right to give my opinion

 

[EagerBeaver]

I suspect, although I do not know for a fact, that if we magically knew the STD status of every Montreal provider the fewest STDs would exist amongst providers at the best known and most expensive agencies (and amongst the independents charging relatively higher hourly rates).

Patron, while your admittedly speculative conclusions seem intuitively reasonable (and perhaps Aristotle would agree if he was moderating this discussion), the degrees by which the risk is lower is so negligible that I would contend that they are not even appreciable, and do not matter, once you have made the decision to accept some level of risk.

It's a completely fucked up mindset to think that because you booked a Euphoria girl, or some other "approved" agency girl, that you don't need to worry about STD. It's an equally fucked up mindset to believe that a sexual experience with a civilian lady you meet at a bar is "safer" than seeing a Euphoria girl or approved agency girl or approved indy. People who actually in reality think this way should not even be on this board.

What's rarely discussed on this board in these STD threads are sexual practices that seriously expose one to STD. Apart from BBFS, duo sex is very risky if a male first observes female to female cunnilingus and then receives fellatio from one or both females without first compelling them to receive a vigorous rinse of listerine in their mouths. There are people out there who ask the same questions as the OP and engage in these risky practices on the belief that they made a "safe initial choice", thus somehow, some way eliminating the risk of the subsequent behaviors. One need not be a learned pupil of Aristotle to see the complete flaw in this logic. The STD threads I have read on MERB since its inception invaiably contain this kind of "self fulfilling logic" which is more designed to justify desired behaviors than to reflect the scientific reality of the safety of those behaviors.

In the end, we all have our own opinions and very little or no data on these kinds of issues, and we make our own choices with the comfort level we each have with the perceived risk.

 

[hungry101]

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/hiv-idu.html

CDC statistics.

As Kate Holden said in her book, both higher end brothels she worked for fired heroin addicts but at the low end brothel she worked at all the girls were users. Also, the street walkers were almost always users. I know that there are exceptions. I met a nice girl on the street that was just paying her rent. I went back to her place and I couldn't believe how clean and neat...not a typical drug den, that's for sure. I'll stick to the high end ladies with knowledge that a few of them could be fooling all of us.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I didn’t take the OP to be asking the question is the “well known agencies” less of a risk than heroin addicted Streetwalkers. He didn’t ask that question. I took his question to mean Euphoria/Vogue/XO or “well known agencies” (not high end agencies) vs. “less well known agencies.”

 

[alexisdavis]

Hey guys, thanks for your replies.

I wanted to clarify the question I was asking and why I asked it.

I'm not an experienced hobbyist, but I've seen girls from Euphoria before. In all of the review threads of girls from Euphoria, XO, and Vogue, almost every single reviewer rates the SPs' BBBJ. This of course leads me to believe that every single one of them engage in BBBJ.

All of these girls are still working, so I assumed it's because they never caught anything or gave anyone anything, otherwise there would have been some drama. Which is why I asked the question: is it actually safer to engage in BBBJ with girls from Euphoria/XO/Vogue? Or should we also being asking for CBJ regardless?

 

[laid_back_alex]

In my experience, as someone who only accepts CBJ from SPs(even if BBBJ is offered), I can tell you that all girls that I have met prefer to give a CBJ if given the choice. I believe the reason that all agency girls provide BBBJ is because there is an expectation for it. Most hobbysits wouldn't even consider seeing an agency girl if she only offered CBJ. I think we can all agree that the sensation of a BBBJ from the receiver's perspective is exponentially amplified compared to receiving a CBJ. Therefore if an agency girl wasto only offer CBJ, she probably would not have any clients because most hobbyists would just book another girl.

You will never get a definite answer to your question Alexis because some will argue that it's super safe, while others will argue that there is always a risk involved. As contradicting as this may sound, both answers are kind of true if you think about it. Most hobbyists here can attest to the fact that they have had BBBJ's with SP's with no issues whatsoever and most SPs will also share that view. It all comes down to how safe you want to be and if you're willing to sacrifice sensation for peace of mind if this is something that worries you. Are you willing to pay 220$/h and receive a less fulfilling blowjob than someone who pays the same price but gets a way better sensation? Or do you feel that the combination of low risk, your immune system, escorts hygiene, and other factors/variables reassures you that you can go ahead and get BBBJs and sleep at night with a clear conscience?

My point is that on one can answer this question for you brother. You have to get the basic information about the risks (which are very vague) and make a sound decision. Just make sure that this decision doesn't cause you to be paranoid or regretful. I know myself, and I could not sleep at night if I receive a BBBJ from an SP (agency or not). That is who I am and no one is going to change my mind because it's mostly psychological for me.

You just need to weigh the pros and cons and your conscience and decide what you're comfortable with.

 

[Julia Sky]

i said twice in my post that that is my belief. i.e. an opinion. I absolutely have the right to give my opinion

Well yeah but... medicine is made of facts, not opinions... Health is not like religion it's not you believe in this and I believe in that haha there is only one true answer when it comes to health.


soooo in conclusion for the OP : there is always a risk. Know the risks and know which risk you are willing to take.

 

[EagerBeaver]

You will never get a definite answer to your question Alexis because some will argue that it's super safe, while others will argue that there is always a risk involved. As contradicting as this may sound, both answers are kind of true if you think about it. .................You just need to weigh the pros and cons and your conscience and decide what you're comfortable with.

These three sentences above by laid back alex summarize, in just a few words, the bottom line on hundreds and hundreds of STD threads that have appeared on this board. In the end, the MERB STD threads are pointless. They stimulate the exact same discussions and the exact same bottom line conclusion. No new ground has been covered in this thread. No new ground will ever be covered - unless new STDs emerge.

 

[jalimon]

Well yeah but... medicine is made of facts, not opinions... Health is not like religion it's not you believe in this and I believe in that haha there is only one true answer when it comes to health.

Julia some think cancer can be cured by natural medicine and positive thinking. Even some that have built the biggest (current market value) company in the world. You are probably reading this post on their phone or tablet They usually believe in it until it's either too late to do anything or because it's already too late.

Back to the original topic... From what I know agencies (big or small ones) do not screen test their girls and do not impose it. It's up to each girl to do so on their own. It's not an opinion it's what girl told me. Can agency owner prove me wrong. I kind of hope they would.

Cheers,

 

[Roasted]

Which is why I asked the question: is it actually safer to engage in BBBJ with girls from Euphoria/XO/Vogue? Or should we also being asking for CBJ regardless?

For me, the answer to the first question is a clear no. If we consider mostly the chances that one of these girls has one of the two most common STIs that can infect the throat, there is no reason to believe that they would be at a lower risk than any other SP. As for the drama, I believe that most people would not make it too public.