Avoiding the Hazards of the Hobby / Industry

[daydreamer41]

Stuff happens

In the US in New Jersey, a guy was robbed by 3 posing as LE.

Stuff happens. It is probably more of a risk in the US than Canada, because of the legal situation, but LE will not prosecute a victim in these type of cases. It would only preclude anyone in such a situation.

That being said, I think you are always more vulneable going to a SP's hotel room or like Dr E. Who, being in her car in her environment. I think Dr. E. Who should put this thing to rest and count his blessings that he survived a dangerous event. The rest of us can learn from his mistake as well as he will.


This from the board Bestgfe.com

http://www.bestgfe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114841


CNJ craiglist scam arrest

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3 charged with luring man to meet prostitute, then impersonating cops



By MICHELLE SAHN • STAFF WRITER • January 18, 2010

TOMS RIVER — A 45-year-old Manchester man planned to pay a prostitute $150 for an hour's worth of services, but when he arrived at a local hotel, he was also met by three men posing as police officers, authorities said.

After the man handed over the $150 to the woman, the men frisked him, ordered him to stay off his computer, and warned him they would be watching him, police said.




One of the men also looked through the Manchester man's car, saying they needed to see his driver's license for "identity" purposes, said Chief Michael Mastronardy.

Police said the men then let him leave, telling him court papers would arrive in his mailbox. Instead, he realized $50 was missing from his glove box and he called police, the chief said.

Police arrested the three men and the woman and the investigation is continuing.

Police said the 45-year-old Manchester man used Craigslist to make arrangements to meet a prostitute at 5 p.m. Saturday at the Pier One Motel on Route 37.

When he handed the woman the cash, three men walked into the room, identified themselves as police officers, ordered him to stand against the wall, and frisked him, said Mastronardy.

The Manchester man later told police he did not see any weapons on the trio, but, he said the men spoke into microphones and had handcuffs.

After an investigation by Detective Vincent Speziale and Officers Thomas Dugan, Mark DeGrandis, and Greg Errion, police made the arrests Saturday night.

XXXXXXXXX, 22, of Route 37, Toms River, was charged with theft by deception and her bail was set at $5,000.

XXXXXXXXX, 23, of 50th Street, West New York, his brother, Raymond FXXXXXXXX, 27, of Deer Lane, Toms River, and XXXXXXXXXX, 30, of Route 37, Toms River, were each charged with luring and impersonating a law enforcement officer. Bail for all three men was set at $20,000.

Police said the investigation is continuing and they believe there may be more victims. Anyone with information is asked to call police at 732-349-0150, Ext. 1198.

 

[eastender]

Jurisdiction

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Are charges being filed in federal, state or local jurisdictions? State lines were crossed by some of the alleged felons and Craig's List is international.

 

[eastender]

Entertainment or ...........

The key to appreciating the sex industry is being able to differentiate between the entertainment aspect and whatever else you may be looking for to improve your life.

Did you get value for your entertainment time and money. If you can reduce all considerations to this very basic question then you will be able to maintain a perspective and avoid the various traps and pitfalls. If you start looking for qualities beyond entertainment then you are leaving yourself open to the various hazards that are ever present.

 

[jeff jones]

The key to appreciating the sex industry is being able to differentiate between the entertainment aspect and whatever else you may be looking for to improve your life.

Did you get value for your entertainment time and money. If you can reduce all considerations to this very basic question then you will be able to maintain a perspective and avoid the various traps and pitfalls. If you start looking for qualities beyond entertainment then you are leaving yourself open to the various hazards that are ever present.

I agree with this, when i hobby the line does not get blurred. I am simply looking for the company of a hot young lady that i would have no shot with in the real world due to the age difference, enjoy it when she is there , let it go when she is gone. Between most sp's and John's there is a large age difference and they are not looking for friends who are much older then they are but some john's do mistake there kindness as friendship. Even exchanging contact info and having occasional contact really means nothing. That is not to say that a friendship is never made between a john/sp but it is indeed very rare where a true one is made where one isn't using the other.

 

[eastender]

Reality

I agree with this, when i hobby the line does not get blurred. I am simply looking for the company of a hot young lady that i would have no shot with in the real world due to the age difference, enjoy it when she is there , let it go when she is gone. Between most sp's and John's there is a large age difference and they are not looking for friends who are much older then they are but some john's do mistake there kindness as friendship. Even exchanging contact info and having occasional contact really means nothing. That is not to say that a friendship is never made between a john/sp but it is indeed very rare where a true one is made where one isn't using the other.

Very true. Excellent advice. Reading between the lines one gets the sense that romanticizing the experience is not part of the mix.

Similarly from the young ladies perspective, a realization that it is simply a transitional phase of her life is a must. Handle it properly and everyone including yourself will move ahead.

Adding to the point raised by CS Martin - scamming,etc. Reduced to basics it is no different than the proper approach to a temporary job. A menial job is transitional by nature or should be. Simply do it properly. Avoid looking for the "golden opportunity". Typically you get ahead on merit and reliability not by scamming an employer out of a few pens, adding a few minutes to your break, etc.The time you waste and the self - induced stress is counter-productive. BTW if you haven't figured it out, employers know all the habits and the little tricks. Such trivial loses are built into the salary. Short the clock and inevitably you get paid about $1.00 less per hour which over a year equals about $2,000. Significantly more than the cost of the few pens you forgot to return or the value of the extra 15 minute lunch time you may take once a week.

In the industry this is reflected by where you get slotted, booked, presented, etc. Always a way to direct the dollars elsewhere and away from your purse.

 

[daydreamer41]

I agree with this, when i hobby the line does not get blurred. I am simply looking for the company of a hot young lady that i would have no shot with in the real world due to the age difference, enjoy it when she is there , let it go when she is gone. Between most sp's and John's there is a large age difference and they are not looking for friends who are much older then they are but some john's do mistake there kindness as friendship. Even exchanging contact info and having occasional contact really means nothing. That is not to say that a friendship is never made between a john/sp but it is indeed very rare where a true one is made where one isn't using the other.

I think you could get a Sugardaddy relationship with some SP's, but that's what the relationship would be. The young woman would want money and it would be costly, unless you have the bucks. Some SP's have a hard time relating to guys their own age. I know this from having talked to those girls. They find guys their age to be too aggressive. The idea of an older guy does not gross them out, where the majority of young women may find it difficult to do. Some of these women may have had poor relationships with their own fathers. But money is their motivation in the first place for becoming a SP. So, naturally they will ask for money in the relationship.

 

[jeff jones]

I think you could get a Sugardaddy relationship with some SP's, but that's what the relationship would be. The young woman would want money and it would be costly, unless you have the bucks. Some SP's have a hard time relating to guys their own age. I know this from having talked to those girls. They find guys their age to be too aggressive. The idea of an older guy does not gross them out, where the majority of young women may find it difficult to do. Some of these women may have had poor relationships with their own fathers. But money is their motivation in the first place for becoming a SP. So, naturally they will ask for money in the relationship.

Sure the sugardaddy relationship is always possible but the problem being is some sugardaddy's do not realize that they are just that sugardaddie's. They mistakenly believe that it is a girlfriend/boyfriend situation and that is where the trouble lies. She sees it one way, he sees it another so the line is blurred.

 

[daydreamer41]

Sure the sugardaddy relationship is always possible but the problem being is some sugardaddy's do not realize that they are just that sugardaddie's. They mistakenly believe that it is a girlfriend/boyfriend situation and that is where the trouble lies. She sees it one way, he sees it another so the line is blurred.

Yes, but SP's see sex as a commodity that older men are willing to pay for. They would not be SP's otherwise. So for an older man to enter a relationship with a SP with the idea that it would be a normal relationship would be delusional. There are rare May - September relationships where it may be an exception. But they usually do not start out as SP - customer. They may be a professor and student or sometimes co-workers, or boss and worker, like David Letterman and staff.

 

[CS Martin]

The "Sugar Daddy" concept rarely works, as many who attempt it simply aren't equipped to properly understand the dynamics. Many younger ladies think they want a more mature man, but sometimes are not ready operate at that level for extended periods of time (i.e. they still have some wild and unsteady "Oats" to sew).

Discussing this thread with an agency owner last night, we both had a good laugh about a particularly popular SP a few years ago. After a six hour appt, a bottle and a half of a very nice Francis Coppola 2003 Merlot, this lady simply refused to get out of bed until I promised her a "relationship". In the meantime the driver kept calling & circling the block until I pulled this SP out of bed. Was she scamming herself or me? I doubt even she knew....LOL

Yes, sometimes people try and "blurr" the lines. LOL

 

[daydreamer41]

The sugar daddy concept is just what it is ... it is a business arrangement. It is not a traditional relationship. For the guy, unless you are somewhat wealthy, you will get resentful that you are essentially paying for her time. For the girl, she will see the guy as an obligation for which she gets paid. It is no different than the SP - client relationship, but it is less formal and she will try to get most of her material and money needs from him. It is really a more advanced SP - client relationship.

It will never be anything more unless she becomes independent and gets her means of support with a traditional job and carries on a relationship not based on compensation from him. There are some young women who are not attracted to young men their age. They have no unsteady oats to sow. They are usually more introspective in personality. I have met a few of these women. They do exist.

However, as far as the Sugar Daddy relationship, if you have the means to keep her satisfied monetarily, then it may be more satisfying than seeing many SP's, especially if sex with her is intense.

 

[Merlot]

Sure the sugardaddy relationship is always possible but the problem being is some sugardaddy's do not realize that they are just that sugardaddie's. They mistakenly believe that it is a girlfriend/boyfriend situation and that is where the trouble lies. She sees it one way, he sees it another so the line is blurred.

Hello Jeff,

Isn't it possible the Daddy is the one who could have it "real" and the lady is the one with "hopes" that are unreal. It seems to me, that while not the same sugar daddy relationship per se, I just read some posts similar to this scenario.

The "Sugar Daddy" concept rarely works, as many who attempt it simply aren't equipped to properly understand the dynamics. Many younger ladies think they want a more mature man, but sometimes are not ready operate at that level for extended periods of time (i.e. they still have some wild and unsteady "Oats" to sew).

Discussing this thread with an agency owner last night, we both had a good laugh about a particularly popular SP a few years ago. After a six hour appt, a bottle and a half of a very nice Francis Coppola 2003 Merlot, this lady simply refused to get out of bed until I promised her a "relationship". In the meantime the driver kept calling & circling the block until I pulled this SP out of bed. Was she scamming herself or me? I doubt even she knew....LOL

Yes, sometimes people try and "blurr" the lines. LOL

There you go. A second example of what I was just saying. If anyone holds to the view that it is always or generally the client that has the wishful fantasies in the quote unquote Sugar Daddy relationship then they are denying human nature. Even a determined coldly scheming woman can be caught in her own web. It's a matter of who stays cooler better, not who is the client and who is the escort.

BTW...my full name is Christian Mouiex Merlot. I happen to have a 2005 right now.

Cheers,

Merlotius

 

[ck_nj]

Mods, I'm thinking this thread qualifies as a 'sticky.' There'e some very good information in here. Thanks Eastender....

 

[jeff jones]

Hello Jeff,

Isn't it possible the Daddy is the one who could have it "real" and the lady is the one with "hopes" that are unreal. It seems to me, that while not the same sugar daddy relationship per se, I just read some posts similar to this scenario.

Hi Merlot,

Of course that is always possible but i just think it is much more likely that the sugardaddy/john gets carried away with his feelings for a much younger and hot young lady.

 

[daydreamer41]

Hi Merlot,

Of course that is always possible but i just think it is much more likely that the sugardaddy/john gets carried away with his feelings for a much younger and hot young lady.

Those feelings change when he realizes that it is costing him several times more than his usual SP budget.

 

[CS Martin]

The "Sugardaddy" concept and its failure can sometimes be quite simple. Many SPs have weak or abusive family structures, where the father figure either ignores or is abusive to the lady. The lady on a subliminal level seeks a replacement or a substitute's approval in the form of someone who can care for her. She views the "Sugardaddy" in this manner. When that need is met, the SP can safely feel like being a young girl again with all that entails. To quote an old Cindy Lauper song, "Girl's just want to have fun". From the "daddy's" perspective, even if he can accept she's out "playing", the SP only coming to him when she needs money, a shoulder to cry on, someone to talk to, what's left often gets tiring. His view of having a young energetic lover, quickly disapates into the daughter that never calls except when she needs money or someone to fix her ills. Distilling it down: She wants a daddy, he wants a lover.

 

[eastender]

Always Something

Petty scammers. You run into these people on a regular basis, often without realizing it. They are found on the job, various hang-outs, neighbourhoods, etc. They tend to be jovial, outgoing, with the kind of personality that draws people to them BUT they are working you - bit by bit, few dollars here and there, a lot of your time wasted.

The common trend is that regardless the activity the is "Always something" that happens to them ........... and there is only one solution = YOU.

Petty, everyday things. Public transit runs on schedule for virtually everyone but never for them. The solution is never the obvious one - try showing up at the bus stop a few minutes early. No, the problem is somehow your fault and the solution is that you have to drive them for free instead of them taking a taxi, no money, what little money they have is needed for ........... etc.

Usually there is a problem below the surface, one without physical manifestations. They may not have a substance abuse problem but they may be addicted to Video Lotteries. You get the picture.

In the industry, this is often evident in stories about petty financial difficulties. Short $20.00 on the rent, banking error - classic after telling you how they do not use banks since they prefer dealing in cash, etc.

Simple solution. Walk. You save time and money plus it is good exercise.