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Bridge was built in 1976-1977. 3rd longest continuous span bridge in the world. 6 persons are missing. There were workers and cars on the bridge when it collapsed who were tossed in the Bay. Water temperature 48 degrees Fahrenheit which is survivable by an immersed person for only 1-3 hours.

The Bridge was named after Francis Scott Key, the attorney and amateur poet who wrote the "Star Spangled Banner" during the British attack on Baltimore in the War of 1812.
 
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Steel construction used for Baltimore bridge pillars are not the best to sustain huge impact possibly caused by heavy commercial maritime traffic (1000' long boat).
When chosen, this type of construction IMO should be protected by different means. One technique is this one used at pont Laviolette crossing the St-Laurence river: rockfill embankment zone around the pillars.

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Why this tragic event wasn't prevented by using an appropriate design? Money? Politics?Something else..,? I guess we might never know.
 
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Let's put the Raw video that Canadian news does NOT show.
In the below video the ship turns abrupty about 45 degrees towards the support.
In the below video you can see the black smoke coming from the stack indication of massive application of power.
In the Canadian news clips they do not show the boat turning starboard.
In the Canadian news clips they hide the black exhaust smoke by darkening the backround contrast.

RAW: Cargo ship loses power, crashes into the Baltimore Bridge

If an accident this is the most uncomfortable Murphy's Law Black Swan I have ever heard of.
The investigation of crew, control systems, black box recordings will take a long time.
Onboard mutiny? auto navigation system compromised?, etc...
I guess this now an impending FBI investigation.

Biggest port closed in the most industrial city in the USA closed???
Even military operations in that port.
Supply chain disruptions and more inflation? F
Thankfully in Montreal all the ships are restricted to the seaway canal and no possibility of that happening here omg.

"Fracis Scott Key".. wrote the "Star Spangled Banner" during the British attack on Baltimore in the War of 1812.
How freaking symbolic.
 
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Steel construction used for Baltimore bridge pillars are not the best to sustain huge impact possibly caused by heavy commercial maritime traffic (1000' long boat).
When chosen, this type of construction IMO should be protected by different means. One technique is this one used at pont Laviolette crossing the St-Laurence river: rockfill embankment zone around the pillars.

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Why this tragic event wasn't prevented by using an appropriate design? Money? Politics?Something else..,? I guess we might never know.
Staedtler,

As I pointed out above the bridge was built 50 years ago when 1000 foot boats didn't exist. The design is dated. A similar event recently happened in China in which there was also fatalities which I will post below.

Unfortunately much of the bridge infrastructure in the U.S. is dated. Events like this will hopefully cause a look at updating infrastructure.
 

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Staedtler,

As I pointed out above the bridge was built 50 years ago when 1000 foot boats didn't exist. The design is dated. A similar event recently happened in China in which there was also fatalities which I will post below.

Unfortunately much of the bridge infrastructure in the U.S. is dated. Events like this will hopefully cause a look at updating infrastructure.
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Eagerbeaver, the bridge I was reffering to was built between 1964-1967.
The Titanic and other early 20' century cruiser were already almost 900' long.
True, infrastructure are dated, not only in the US.
 

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Eagerbeaver, the bridge I was reffering to was built between 1964-1967.
The Titanic and other early 20' century cruiser were already almost 900' long.
True, infrastructure are dated, not only in the US.
We are talking about cargo boats that size, not cruise ships. The commercial shipping industry has changed. The boats going under that bridge are not the same size as the ones that cruised into Baltimore harbor in the 1970s.
"Back in the '70s" — when the Francis Scott Key Bridge was built — "these container ships … would be less than half the size, or probably even a lot less," Khanna said.

Cargo Ship seen through fog
 
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Let's put the Raw video that Canadian news does NOT show.
In the below video the ship turns abrupty about 45 degrees towards the support.
In the below video you can see the black smoke coming from the stack indication massive application of power.
In the Canadian news clips they do not show the boat turning starboard.
In the Canadian news clips they hide the black exhaust smoke by darkening the backround contrast.

RAW: Cargo ship loses power, crashes into the Baltimore Bridge

If an accident this is the most uncomfortable Murphy's Law Black Swan I have ever heard of.
The investigation of crew, control systems, black box recordings will take a long time.
Onboard mutiny? auto navigation system compromised?, etc...
I guess this now an impending FBI investigation.

Biggest port closed in the most industrial city in the USA closed???
Even military operations in that port.
Supply chain disruptions and more inflation? F
Thankfully in Montreal all the ships are restricted to the seaway canal and no possibility of that happening here omg.

"Fracis Scott Key".. wrote the "Star Spangled Banner" during the British attack on Baltimore in the War of 1812.
How freaking symbolic.
That video, if it's real and unedited, is very concerning, as there is what appears to be a sharp turn directly towards the support. Whats also interesting is that as the ship is about to hit you see a car flying over the bridge at very high speed, almost like it knows what is about to happen. I wonder if that car made it to the other side of the bridge in time?

Average pay of merchant seaman in the U.S. is $83,538, which isn't bad, but would one of them accept $100,000 from a foreign intelligence to steer the ship into the bridge support?
 
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Steel construction used for Baltimore bridge pillars are not the best to sustain huge impact possibly caused by heavy commercial maritime traffic (1000' long boat).
When chosen, this type of construction IMO should be protected by different means. One technique is this one used at pont Laviolette crossing the St-Laurence river: rockfill embankment zone around the pillars.

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Why this tragic event wasn't prevented by using an appropriate design? Money? Politics?Something else..,? I guess we might never know.
Simple to answer. Americans always believe they are the greatest in the World and that nothing can affect them, that they can't do wrong. Superman and captain America will save them! Vietnam proved they were wrong, than Irak and Afghanistan, than Mother Nature with flooding and Wild Fire, now this. The solution, they pray and ask God bless America!... and they will maybe re-elect DJ Dumb... They rarely learn from the past and they are not interested by the great ideas in other countries. They figure out that if it was not created in USA it should not be so great after all...
 

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Due to timely mayday signal given by the ship two pilots police was able to close the bridge for traffic just in time. All people that died were members of the night shift road repair crew and all legal emigrants from different South American countries. Most of them were not fluent in English and it looks like police did not succeed contacting them over cell phones.
 

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Baltimore Bridge Collapse Sparks Wild Conspiracies — Though Officials Continue To Dispel Them​


The collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore on Tuesday morning has sparked a proliferation of conspiracy theories online, from claims that cyberattackers are to blame to observers pointing to similarities with a Netflix film produced by the Obamas, though officials continue to dispel rumors.

Full article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...ials-continue-to-dispel-them/?sh=20149c0f7c76
 

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Any large industrial nation is prone to technological catastrophes. Give me an example of the better record with the scale of the economy as large as US. Quebec and Canada have been experiencing a few pretty bad events in not so distant past too. This could be much, much worse if not for the established mayday emergency procedure that worked exemplary.
 
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First responders indeed did very well and it is fair to acknowledge them.
 
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Baltimore Bridge Collapse Sparks Wild Conspiracies — Though Officials Continue To Dispel Them​


The collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore on Tuesday morning has sparked a proliferation of conspiracy theories online, from claims that cyberattackers are to blame to observers pointing to similarities with a Netflix film produced by the Obamas, though officials continue to dispel rumors.

Full article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...ials-continue-to-dispel-them/?sh=20149c0f7c76

What's sad and worrysome is that millions of gullible humans believe these conspiracies.
 
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Staedtler,

As I pointed out above the bridge was built 50 years ago when 1000 foot boats didn't exist. The design is dated. A similar event recently happened in China in which there was also fatalities which I will post below.

Unfortunately much of the bridge infrastructure in the U.S. is dated. Events like this will hopefully cause a look at updating infrastructure.

Pont Laviolette in Three-Rivers was built around the 60s and from the same material as the Baltimore Key bridge. It was reinforced years ago by making islands around the pillars using rocks. In fact a boat did collide with the bridge in 1994 and the bridge is still there. The Jacques-Cartier bridge was built in the 1930s and it was reinforced similarly by making an island around the pillars using rocks. When a ship is on a collision course with a pillar the ship hits the mounds of rocks and never touches the pillar. Unfortunately the Baltimore bridge never underwent that kind of reinforcement.
 

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Read an article that Biden claims the feds will pay for the repair.
Washington — President Biden said Tuesday that he believes the federal government should pay for the entire cost of the reconstruction of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, which collapsed when a container ship crashed into it earlier Tuesday.

Why, He likes to throw taxpayer money around when not necessary.

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Pont Laviolette in Three-Rivers was built around the 60s and from the same material as the Baltimore Key bridge. It was reinforced years ago by making islands around the pillars using rocks. In fact a boat did collide with the bridge in 1994 and the bridge is still there. The Jacques-Cartier bridge was built in the 1930s and it was reinforced similarly by making an island around the pillars using rocks. When a ship is on a collision course with a pillar the ship hits the mounds of rocks and never touches the pillar. Unfortunately the Baltimore bridge never underwent that kind of reinforcement.
CLOUD 500, that's exactly what I meant in one of my previous post..,
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  • Furthermore, Baltimore bridge was already involve in a similar event in the 80' when a smaller ship ran into one of its pillar. That should have rang a huge alarm bell.., Sadly it did not.
 

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Read an article that Biden claims the feds will pay for the repair.
Washington — President Biden said Tuesday that he believes the federal government should pay for the entire cost of the reconstruction of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, which collapsed when a container ship crashed into it earlier Tuesday.

Why, because it is a Chinese ship? He likes to throw taxpayer money around when not necessary.

You should revisit your geography courses. Singapour isn't China !
 
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