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CS Martin

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Even Ron Paul said fuck you to Israel. The American people are fed up of spending billions of dollars on Israel. America has its own worries to deal with, Israel will have to learn to survive on its own, it's not a baby anymore.

http://www.rense.com/general29/lib.htm

It's quite obvious to me that you know little about world history & politics. Bottom line is the price for Jewish leader's, how should I say it "understanding**", why the Allies did little to stop the holocaust was an absolute agreement for a Jewish State. Your entire lack of accumen in world history & politics is evident from your comments. Might I suggest that if it were true that U.S. wanted to take that position then perhaps Mr. Obama might also back away from "Affirmative Action" with regards to its slaveholding past. Would you care to tally the score of the holocaust Jews vs. African Americans ripped from their ancessoral home?

Now back to Obama.....if you really want to have a discussion on Israel/US politics start another thread (Oh please do, if Mod 8 will allow!!). But start the thread with the question of who financed the American Revolution and explain that person's fate. Here's a hint: http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/haym_salomom.html Gee, I wonder what the interest owed alone since the revolutionary war would total today? Could the US even afford it?

**not the right word, but at least in the ballpark
 

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why the Allies did little to stop the holocaust was an absolute agreement for a Jewish State.

The Allies risked their lives (many soldiers died in the process) to save the Jews, that's what they did. Israel would exist today if it wasn't for the Allies, so please don't be so ungrateful, many died just to save the Jews.

would you care to tally the score of the holocaust Jews vs. African Americans ripped from their ancessoral home? Who financed the American Revolution and explain that person's fate. Here's a hint: http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/haym_salomom.html Gee, I wonder what the interest owed alone since the revolutionary war would total today? Could the US even afford it?
If you think Israel should get special treatment because of the holocaust, then you really need to read up on the history of other nations who have endured far greater genocides than the Jews, does America owe all of them as well? Futhermore, you really think America owes Israel because some Jew who helped finance the revolutionary war, well guess what, the jews also helped finance the Black Slave Trade in America. Your own rabbi talks about it here;

"During the eighteenth century Jews participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750's, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760's, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760's and early 1770's dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday"-Rabbi Dr. Marc Lee Raphael is the editor (since 1988) of American Jewish History

Malcom X and Martin Luther kings, both of whom played an integral role in liberating the black people, agreed that the Jews were the main force behind the black slave trade. In fact, the Jews played such a major role in the black slave trade that only on Jewish holidays were no slaves traded. So please don't tell us about Obama and America owing anything to Israel, please buddy.

Americans are fed up of helping Israel and Obama represents those sentiments as he continues to distance himself from Israel.
 

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Israel wants to use its own military to take out the Nuclear reactor sites. The Obama administration doesn't want Israel to do so.

Because Obama knows that Israel will suffer if they made such a stupid move. Keep in mind that Israel couldn't handle a small group like Hezbollah during that summer 2006 war. Obama is aware of this and knows it would not be in Israel's best interest to fight a war against Iran. Things aren't as simple as FoxNews wants you to believe.
 

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Because Obama knows that Israel will suffer if they made such a stupid move. Keep in mind that Israel couldn't handle a small group like Hezbollah during that summer 2006 war. Obama is aware of this and knows it would not be in Israel's best interest fight a war against Israel. Things aren't as simple as FoxNews wants you to believe.

What a twist of facts. That is utterly non-sense. Israel is very strong, technological and miltarily. Obama doesn't give a crap about Israel, or he would have thought offered help from the US. The Israelis made some mistakes with Hezbollah, but Hezbollah lost that war, or they would not have made a truce. Israel suffered too many civilian casualties because they would not level areas where Hezbollah were firing rockets into Israel, because the coward Hezbollahs were located in Lebonese civilian areas. Many of the launch areas were multi-story apartment buildings. Do you call that fair fighting? It is against Geneva conventions, but these animals don't care about that, nor does Obama.

I think CS is correct. You cannot comprehend what being an Israeli is like, or you wouldn't make such naive statements and list such lame links.
 

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The Allies risked their lives (many soldiers died in the process) to save the Jews, that`s what they did. Israel would exist today if it wasn`t for the Allies, so please don`t be so ungrateful, many died just to save the Jews.


If you think Israel should get special treatment because of the holocaust, then you really need to read up on the history of other nations who have endured far greater genocides than the Jews, does America owe all of them as well? Futhermore, you really think America owes Israel because some Jew who helped finance the revolutionary war, well guess what, the jews also helped finance the Black Slave Trade in America. Your own rabbi talks about it here;

"During the eighteenth century Jews participated in the `triangular trade` that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750`s, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760`s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760`s and early 1770`s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday"-Rabbi Dr. Marc Lee Raphael is the editor (since 1988) of American Jewish History

Malcom X and Martin Luther kings, both of whom played an integral role in liberating the black people, agreed that the Jews were the main force behind the black slave trade. In fact, the Jews played such a major role in the black slave trade that only on Jewish holidays were no slaves traded. So please don`t tell us about Obama and America owing anything to Israel, please buddy.

Americans are fed up of helping Israel and Obama represents those sentiments as he continues to distance himself from Israel.

Hey Lovemaker, where is this Rabbi Dr. Marc Lee Raphael? I can only find reference of him on anti-semetic websites. I can`t find out where this guy is from. I looked him on Wikipedia and it says there is no page for him? If he so reknowned, why is he unknown? He`s my rabbi? Lovemaker, you come across like a genuine anti-semite. I never heard of him. There were Jewish slave owners, and Jews involved in slave trade, but it was minimal. The garbage you quote is from the Nation of Islam`s book, the Relationship between Blacks and Jews. We all know where the Nation of Islam is coming from. Sounds like the same place you are coming from, buddy.


Jews and the slave trade

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This article is about involvement of Jews in slavery and slave trade. For slave ownership rules and practices in Judaism, see Judaism and slavery.

Like their Christian and Muslim neighbors, Jews owned slaves and participated in the slave trade. In the middle ages, Jews were minimally involved in slave trade.[SUP][1][/SUP] During the 1490s, trade with the New World began to open up. At the same time, the monarchies of Spain and Portugal expelled all of their Jewish subjects. As a result, Jews began participating in all sorts of trade on the Atlantic, including the slave trade.
In 1991, the Nation of Islam published the book The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews which alleged that Jews dominated the North Atlantic slave trade. Several scholarly works were subsequently published refuting that thesis.[SUP][2][/SUP] These scholars demonstrated that Jews did not dominate the slave trade in Medieval Europe, Africa, and/or the Americas,[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] and that Jews had no major or continuing impact on the history of New World slavery.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] They possessed far fewer slaves than non-Jews in every British territory in North America and the Caribbean, and in no period did they play a leading role as financiers, shipowners, or factors in the transatlantic or Caribbean slave trades.[SUP][7][/SUP]
Slavery historian Jason H. Silverman described the part of Jews in slave trading in the southern United states as "minuscule", and wrote that the historical rise and fall of slavery in the United States would not have been affected at all had there been no Jews living in the south.[SUP][8][/SUP] Jews accounted for 1.25% of all Southern slave owners, and were not significantly different from other slave owners in their treatment of slaves.[SUP][8][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade
 

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The Allies risked their live.............distance himself from Israel.

As I said your knowledge of history is straight from the play book of Malcom X, pitiful. I won't comment again since you're attempting to veer off the subject. Begin another thread and we'll discuss your education, or really the lack of same.

P.S. daydreamer 41, shoot you sprung the trap before we could expose Lovemaker's foolishness in its own thread......:lol::lol:. I was even going to print that recent Spanish Newspaper Column. Oh well we've got to stay on point or should I say pointy head with Obama......
 

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What a twist of facts. That is utterly non-sense. Israel is very strong, technological and miltarily.Hezbollah lost that war, or they would not have made a truce

You are wrong, what were the odds of that;). Here are the facts. Israel's own national newspaper refers to its army as "big, rich and dumb." This will enlighten you: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/firepower-versus-brainpower-1.193743

Most political scientists and independant journalists agree on the fact that Hezbollah defeated Israel's army (IDF) in the summer 2006 war. There is no doubt in this. Here, read the facts:

http://www.markperrydc.com/hezbollah/how-hezbollah-defeated-israel-part-2/- Author, historian and political analyst Mark Perry, from Arlington, Virginia explains how Hezbollah defeated Israel.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/08/15/israel-wasn-t-hoping-for-this/- Robert Fisk, who literally observed the war from both sides, confirms Israel's defeat.

http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/finkelstein10142010/- Norman Finkelstein, a quintessential academic, scholar and teacher.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20070117/israel_resignation_070117/ - The head of Israel's armed forces Lieutenant General Dan Halutz resigned after the war.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-05-02/...ion-kadima-party-olmert-s-kadima?_s=PM:WORLD- Israeli foreign minister and other important political forces in Israel asking their Prime Minister Olmert to resign because of the defeat against Hezbollah. He eventually resigned.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ccb_1319056275- A documenatary on how Hezbollah defeated Israel, very informative documentary, it has high ranking members of the IDF admitting to the defeat.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special...srael-in-military-scores/UPI-51371254346868/- A report, written by Israeli Lt. Col. Robi Sandman in the latest issue of Ma'arahot, a monthly journal on military issues, concludes that the IDF would lose to Hezbollah again if a war were to happen in the near future.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...e-on-iran-will-lead-to-regional-war-1.398537- Former Mossad chief Meir Dagan warning Israel not to attack Iran, otherwise it will get fucked.


See how detached from reality you are? I breath facts. I'm a fact-blowing-dragon PUFF PUFF PUFF. In other words, You and CS Martin have very little understanding of what is going on in the world. The men listed above know exactly what is going on. The Israeli army lost to 3000 Hezbollah fighters, they couldn't even handle such a small militia group, you really think that Israel could handle a war with Iran???? Obama wisely realizes that it is in Israel's best interest to avoid a war with Iran, he is looking out for the Israeli population.

As for you calling me an "genuine anti semite," well let's look at it this way, when I say anything against the Republicans you call me "Rumple", when I say anything against Israel you call me an "anti-semite." My friend, I am about supporting the right side, I defend the side who believe that 2+2= 4, not the side who believe 2+2= 5 and want the rest of the world to believe this, and the right side is always the easiest to defend. Some of my best friends are Jewish, in fact, my main business supplier is also Jewish. Even on Merb I have Jewish friends who I defend and support all the time provided they are on the right side and speak the truth. I love Norman Finkelstein and he's Jewish. I don't care if you are Jewish, Black, Chinese, Muslim, Russian, Obama, George Bush, Osama bin laden or Mother Teresa, if you are on the the side that claims 2+2=4, i will support you with everything I got, but if you want me to believe that 2+2=5, I will go against you. I'm sure you understand my analogy. In other words, I will support you if you are truthful and factual, it's easier to sleep this way at night, i sleep well. But I understand that when all else fails it's common to play the race or anti-semite card LMAO, gotta love the effect of FoxNews. This guy gave an excellent answer to those who charge him with being an anti-semite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl13wd70ZSg

He also gave a talk on how Jews were heavily involved in the Black slave trade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWlZfcMdOaY
He says a lot of crazy shit that I don't agree, but where he is factual you can't deny the facts. Facts are facts, it doesn't matter where they fucking come from, as long as they can be confirmed. By the way, he only uses information from Jewish sources.

As I said your knowledge of history is straight from the play book of Malcom X, pitiful..

You are right. Malcom X wouldn't know anything about the black slave trade or about the forces behind it, only CS Martin would:rolleyes:.
Obama is not obliged to Israel. America is not obliged to Israel.


I know, Lovemaker makes it look easy, but please folks, don't try this at home .:cool:
 

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I know, Lovemaker makes it look easy, but please folks, don't try this at home .:cool:
Lol. Nice work, Lovemaker. But confusing these guys with the facts is rarely rewarding.

BTW, nice piece in Newsweek by Andrew Sullivan. For the uninitiated, a bit about Sully, a conservative writer who voted for Reagan, GW Bush and Obama. "Sullivan describes himself as a conservative and is the author of The Conservative Soul. He supports a broad range of traditional conservative positions. He favors a flat tax, limited government, privatization of social security, and opposes welfare state programs and interventionism. However, on a number of controversial public issues, including same-sex marriage, the conduct of torture in the US, and capital punishment, he takes a position typically shared by those on the left of the U.S. political spectrum. His position on abortion is mixed; he says that he personally finds it immoral and favors overturning Roe v. Wade, but can accept legal abortions in the first trimester.
Sullivan supported G. W. Bush in the 2000 election.[26] In 2004, Sullivan reluctantly decided to support John Kerry's presidential campaign, due to his dissatisfaction with the handling of the postwar situation in Iraq by the Bush administration, their views on gay rights, and their fiscal policy. In 2006, he supported the Democratic Party. Sullivan (like a number of other conservatives) endorsed Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic Nomination in the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election, and Rep. Ron Paul for the Republican nomination. Sullivan endorsed Obama for President on the eve of the election.[27] Sullivan has declared support for Arnold Schwarzenegger[28] and other like-minded Republicans, and written sympathetically about Republican congressman Ron Paul, whom he endorsed for the 2008 and 2012 Republican presidential nomination.[29][30]; he later withdrew the 2012 endorsement."

As you might imagine, Sullivan and I often disagree and we do disagree somewhat on Obama. Coming from the left, I'm disappointed by some of Obama's centrist policies and Sullivan calls me out on that. He views Obama as the most transformative president since Reagan. Frankly, I think Reagan gave the country to the rich.

Here's the link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...ong-game-will-outsmart-his-critics.print.html
 

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Lovemaker,

Your problem is that in mathematics you obviously never went beyond basic arithmetic. So there is news for you: 2+2 is not always 4. In other words, a person who claims that he knows an absolute truth is simply lacking education.
 

CS Martin

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You are right. Malcom X wouldn't know anything about the black slave trade or about the forces behind it, only CS Martin would:rolleyes:.
Obama is not obliged to Israel. America is not obliged to Israel.


I know, Lovemaker makes it look easy, but please folks, don't try this at home .:cool:

Lovemaker, alluding to supposed facts by a "creature" like Farrakhan, is kind of like Hitler saying the holocuast never occured. The fact that you'd choose such a poor example of humanity tells me a great deal about your integrity and honesty.

The critically acclaimed PBS "The Assent of Money" sets out just who the allies came begging to finance a major portion of WWII. The financing of WWII, and the "looking the other way" on the holacaust was the bargain. Suggest you also delve into Eisenhower's Biography with regards to his struggle with the holocaust issue. The reality was that the allies could have bombed the German rail systems going to the camps, but choose not to as the holacaust greatly taxed German resources. So in essence the Jews were fodder to tax the German War Machine. That dicision haunted Eisenhower so deeply that he ordered the extensive and detailed documentation you see today.

Lovemaker, the facts are there in history. In fact throughout history. The holaucast's precurser, The Inquistion. Yes, lets talk about how the Borgia Pope agreed on the papacy carrying out the inquistion and extermination of the Jews in Italy in exchange for Spain's assistance against the French in the later parts of the Dark Ages.

The real truth for a creature like Farrakhan is that just like Hitler he realizes in order to motivate his audiance he must create an intense hate with the most convenient target, the Jews. Even if he has to lie and stretch the truth. Those wretched soles that follow him can only be seen as brainwashed and a mob mentality.

Why don't you go ahead and quote Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and help him rewrite history. He seems more your style!!

Obama doesn't have the ethics and honesty to be obligated to anyone. I mean the man oversaw a downgrading of the US's credit and then decided to simply proclaim all the economists and statisticians were absolutely incorrect. As for the US (and Obama, not necessarily one and the same) and the West, not only is it in their best interests to support Israel but it's their obligation to do so.

From a lighter perspective, the Israeli/Hezbolah war was not the Israeli Military's greatist hour. Maybe it was the odds. You see this time the odds were not literally 7-1 against the Jews this time and they weren't attacked by surprise on their most sacred holiday. The Arabs cry foul when someone attacks during their holy days, but think it's only natural to attack the Jews. Then the Jews push them all over the Sinai and the Golan Heights only to have the Arabs cry foul, we didn't mean it.
 

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Lovemaker, alluding to supposed facts by a "creature" like Farrakhan, is kind of like Hitler saying the holocuast never occured. The fact that you'd choose such a poor example of humanity tells me a great deal about your integrity and honesty.

The critically acclaimed PBS "The Assent of Money" sets out just who the allies came begging to finance a major portion of WWII. The financing of WWII, and the "looking the other way" on the holacaust was the bargain. Suggest you also delve into Eisenhower's Biography with regards to his struggle with the holocaust issue. The reality was that the allies could have bombed the German rail systems going to the camps, but choose not to as the holacaust greatly taxed German resources. So in essence the Jews were fodder to tax the German War Machine. That dicision haunted Eisenhower so deeply that he ordered the extensive and detailed documentation you see today.

Lovemaker, the facts are there in history. In fact throughout history. The holaucast's precurser, The Inquistion. Yes, lets talk about how the Borgia Pope agreed on the papacy carrying out the inquistion and extermination of the Jews in Italy in exchange for Spain's assistance against the French in the later parts of the Dark Ages.

The real truth for a creature like Farrakhan is that just like Hitler he realizes in order to motivate his audiance he must create an intense hate with the most convenient target, the Jews. Even if he has to lie and stretch the truth. Those wretched soles that follow him can only be seen as brainwashed and a mob mentality.

Why don't you go ahead and quote Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and help him rewrite history. He seems more your style!!

Obama doesn't have the ethics and honesty to be obligated to anyone. I mean the man oversaw a downgrading of the US's credit and then decided to simply proclaim all the economists and statisticians were absolutely incorrect. As for the US (and Obama, not necessarily one and the same) and the West, not only is it in their best interests to support Israel but it's their obligation to do so.

From a lighter perspective, the Israeli/Hezbolah war was not the Israeli Military's greatist hour. Maybe it was the odds. You see this time the odds were not literally 7-1 against the Jews this time and they weren't attacked by surprise on their most sacred holiday. The Arabs cry foul when someone attacks during their holy days, but think it's only natural to attack the Jews. Then the Jews push them all over the Sinai and the Golan Heights only to have the Arabs cry foul, we didn't mean it.

Cool Story Bro.This was the best you could do? All that bark yet no bite? LOL. This was your educated firepower?:confused:


The holocaust was nothing compared to what Genrikn Yagoda (a jew) did.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Thank for the link Octavian, I just read it. That's some fucked up shit, real scary stuff.
 

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Cool Story Bro.This was the best you could do? All that bark yet no bite? LOL.
Yeah, but he did manage to spell "holocaust" four different ways in one post, a new world record. And he actually got it right once.:D
 

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Yeah, but he did manage to spell "holocaust" four different ways in one post, a new world record. And he actually got it right once.:D

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA! FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!Fucking great oberservation Rumple. I didn't even notice it, I was so blinded by how educated he was:lol:
 

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HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA! FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!Fucking great oberservation Rumple. I didn't even notice it, I was so blinded by how educated he was:lol:
Yeah. I figure he must be a holocaust expert to know four different spellings of the word. I've been to Holocaust museums in Washington and Berlin and I only know one.:confused:
 

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I've been to Holocaust museums in Washington and Berlin and I only know one.:confused:

I always wanted to go, but I just don't have the heart, stomach and emotional strength to be able to withstand the endless painful accounts of Jewish suffering during the holocaust. Jewish men, women and children had to endure so much great suffering during the holocaust, that it's beyond many of our imagination. My heart goes out to all of them who suffered and died because of that faggot Hitler. I doubt Hitler was a human being, may God curse his soul. It's a fucked up world we live in, and we can never undo the suffering or bring back those who perished. We can only sympathize and provide genuine consolation and make sure that it never happens again.


At least he didn't spell it "hologram", being the intellectual that he is I was worried he just might.:eyebrows:
 

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From a lighter perspective, the Israeli/Hezbolah war was not the Israeli Military's greatist hour.

LOL! I see the overwhelming evidence of Israel's defeat provided in Lovemakers' links sank through your brainwashed skull.

You see this time the odds were not literally 7-1 against the Jews this time and they weren't attacked by surprise on their most sacred holiday.

Yet they still got their asses soundly kicked. Your point?
 

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Lovemaker,

Your problem is that in mathematics you obviously never went beyond basic arithmetic. So there is news for you: 2+2 is not always 4. In other words, a person who claims that he knows an absolute truth is simply lacking education.

Dude, you are obviously confused - we're not sitting around a campfire, passing around a bong, and revisiting Philosophy 101..

Yes, in m-a-t-h-e-m-a-t-i-c-s, 2+2=4. Your kindergarten teacher would be positively disgusted.
 
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