I think this concept is called the "Pay-as-you-go" concept of not spending us into oblivion. So what has really happened is that everyone put all other business to the side to push through health care. A sad, but realistic truth.
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I think this concept is called the "Pay-as-you-go" concept of not spending us into oblivion. So what has really happened is that everyone put all other business to the side to push through health care. A sad, but realistic truth.
But it's OK when George Bush gives the rich a $900 billion tax break, without paying for it? It's OK when he starts a war of choice without paying for it?
The one piece the teabaggers do have right regards our spending our way into oblivion. However, compared to George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, Obama is a mere piker. Those two spent money we didn't have giving huge tax breaks to those who didn't need it. Obama is doing it providing essential services to those who do. The other side of this coin, is that the money Obama is spending will eventually be recovered through economic stimulus and reducing the public money spent in treating those who can't pay for it in emergency rooms.
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Had to edit my post for dropped words that sort of changed the meaning...typing too fast while half-asleep.
My point is this: What is the problem with paying what might amount to a couple bucks a week to help fellow humans get the care they need? People DIE in America because they can't afford medical attention or medicine, or because they are refused insurance due to pre-existing conditions.
With all the money pissed away on this stupid war, we could have seen that all Americans have great health care and had enough left over for all the soldiers to have a duo at the agency of their choice every day for the next 20 years.
My point is this: What is the problem with paying what might amount to a couple bucks a week to help fellow humans get the care they need? People DIE in America because they can't afford medical attention or medicine, or because they are refused insurance due to pre-existing conditions.
With all the money pissed away on this stupid war, we could have seen that all Americans have great health care and had enough left over for all the soldiers to have a duo at the agency of their choice every day for the next 20 years.
Bumflie, in the US, there is health insurance for the poor - it's called Medicaid. Plus individual states have their own plans for people who are over the poverty line but do not earn enough to purchase healthcare. New York has Healthy NY. Massachusetts has a plan. Many other states have programs.
This disasterous bill will cost much more than a few hundred dollars of taxes by everyone and in fact far more people will have less access to doctors.
The Cadillac tax which will take effect 2018 will hit plans over $10,000 for individuals and $27,000 for families. With inflation, every plan will be a Cadillac plan. The tax is 40 percent. So you will pay lots of taxes You probably won't have anything left to hobby. This healthcare bill stinks.
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I had a good chuckle at that one also!
I suppose because he's not a 'tea bagger', Mr. Frum cannot be considered a conservative.
The CIA Factbook lists infant moratality from the greatest to least, so the U.S. is 180th out of 229 countries. It is the opposite of whatever source you used.
About Frum. So you say he is a Conservative because he worked for Bush?
I guess Rumples you embrace Dick Morris, that fine liberal, who worked for Bill Clinton.
You laughing Doc?
Conservatives don't mind paying taxes if the money is not wasted on BAD Legislation.
Which covers 40% of the poor. It does nothing for middle class families who are denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions. It does nothing for people who are kicked off their plans because they're sick.
The rest of your post doesn't even deserve a response.
The one that George Bush rammed through Congress in a reconciliation bill in 2002.
Medicare covers everyone up to the poverty level, whatever Congress defines it to be. Plus, I noticed you edited out the rest of my response - where I say there are State run programs in most states.
The Republicans never opposed eliminating pre-existing conditions or caps on insurance levels. They opposed this bill because it is so intrusive, expensive and is simply a BAD bill.
Can you be more specific? I don't know what GB rammed through Congress. I know Liberals never are specific, but I have no idea what you are referring to.
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You really should pay attention to what your government does. Did you know that George Bush also spent $900 billion on a war based entirely on lies?
Look below. You said it was a $900 Billion tax break in one post and then you say $900 Billion on the war. You must make this stuff up, because you can't keep your statements straight.
My prediction, you are going to pay so much taxes in the future you won't have enough money to hobby in Montreal. It's coming. The US dollar will be worthless, and you will be broke. You'll have a healthcare card, but no doctors around to use them with. But that Obama, Pelosi, and Reid gave us all free everything. What a great bunch, commarade.
Adios, and good luck.
DD, are you schizophrenic or does someone else have access to your computer? Seriously, I mean it. At time you present cohesive viewpoints about the concerns of the right, then a post or two later you go into a nonsensical clusterfuck recount of the upcoming Fox'aggedon Apocalypse Rapture 2012.
If you really believe that stuff why don't you pack it up and move to Texas and spend the rest of your days working on a plan to separate. Or come up here, I think the Parti Quebecois is recruiting.
If you really believe that stuff why don't you pack it up and move to Texas and spend the rest of your days working on a plan to separate. Or come up here, I think the Parti Quebecois is recruiting.
Michael Steele is a clown and a token black President of the Republican Party. I love how the left tries to bring down any black person that is a Republican. They did it with Condoleeza Rice, they did it with Clarence Thomas, they did it with J.C. Watts.
Where is the tape on the racial slurs? Where is the video of Tea Party members getting violent? All I've heard is a few tapes of people leaving ugly messages on the voicemail of Democrats. They could be anyone - disturbed mental patients, white supremacists or perhaps imposters hired by Democrats to discredit the Tea Party movement. Naw Dems won't stoop that low will they???
Why because his statements poke holes and show you liberals how hyprocritical you are. Its ok for the left to depict President Bush as a killer, Nazi and war mongerer but its not ok for the Tea Party to call Obama a Communist? The last I saw this is a politcal forum where all views are allowed to be expressed. The most ridiculous statement on this thread is by you equating the Tea Party Movement to the KKK.
Please quote the source of these demographics. Even if it were the case is there opinion worth any less than the Harvard intellectual who couldn't change a spare?
I'm on your side dd but I have to disagree with you here. Frum is a conservative. What I find funny is that these people wouldn't give his views the time of day when he was in the Bush camp but now that he is critical of the Republican Party they rever him. Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.
Translatiion: "Go ahead............make my day!"
Did that guy go ahead in the Clint Eastwood movie? I think that is what you guys need to ask yourselves. By all means, re-rent the movie "Sudden Impact" if needed.
Merlot,
Re-read my post. Frum's comparisons in the article that he last wrote and someone quoted from are dishonest. He compared 2010 with 1994. He reasoned that Clinton only won with 44 percent of the vote and Obama with 53 percent of the vote. And he used this comparison as the basis that Republicans should toe the line and why voting against the healthcare in unison was not the way to go, which is nonesense.
There is one major problem with his comparison. Clinton ran when Ross Perot got 18 percent of the popular vote. To compare 2008 with 1992 and say that Obama victory was more decisive and therefore, more people are on board with him is nonesense and dishonest. Obama won by 7 percent over McCain; Clinton won by 6 percent over Bush I. Not much difference, but Frum based his whole analysis over the election results - that Obama had some kind of mandate, which he did not.
The Republicans were cooperative but were not allowed in the process of writing the bill. Did you listen or watch the 8 hour healthcare seminar that Obama had with the Republicans? I listened to most of it on the web and watched a little bit of it. The Republicans attending the meeting said that the bill had a few ideas that they liked like eliminating pre-existing conditions, but they wanted to other areas in the bill like tort reform, which you in Canada have, tax credits and deductions., buying insurance across state lines. They stated that they were worried about the power that the HHS Department would have. Obama and the democrats shot them down at most every suggesting. The Democrats did not deny that the bill was written behind closed doors and Repubicans had no input into the present bill.
So if the Republicans had no input and were not allowed any input (and the bill is complex, 2,700 pages) would you as a Republican vote for it?
Frum is not painting an honest picture. He says nothing about the bill's merits or lack of merits, just that we need healthcare reform. If you read the bill or a summary of the bill, I do not know how you can come to the conclusion that the legislation has reached its objectives, which is more affordable insurance. Insurance will become more expensive for many, if not the majority.
This bill gives the government total control and regulation of the healthcare system. The regulations have not been written yet. But this bill gives the Health and Human Services Department the power to overlook every doctor / patient relationship. Medicine is difficult enough, with new procedures and medicines being constantly developed. Do you think a doctor has the time to read thousands of pages of Regulations that he or she will now have to read?
As for Hannity, I don't know what he said; I don't care what he says. I do not listen to him no longer because he is very repetitive and he is not a good debater. As for the moderate Republicans, they are losing traction with the root of the problem, which is the United States has a very serious problem with the deficit. We cannot afford for another bad piece of legislation that will add to the deficit. Both Republicans and Democrats have created this problem. We are increasingly reaching the point of no return. A bad piece of legislation like this one can put us under. Did you read that our Social Security now takes in less money than it pays out? This was not supposed to happen until 2019. Many of our larger states, like NY, CA, have huge deficits. Our unemployment rate is way to high at 9.8 percent, and we lose private sector jobs by the month. It is not a pretty picture.
The Democrats are not the party of fiscal responsibility. They want to grow government at every level. The Republicans have to tow the line for the survival of the Republic. So cooperation is not the answer unless Democrats change their mode of operation.
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Well, let's see...Bush started a war that's killed 100,000s of people and had no good reason to do so. In fact, he based the start of the war on a pack of lies. So, yes, he's a killer and a war criminal. The Nazi bit doesn't hold water.
Obama just passed a sweeping health care reform bill that completely left the health insurance industry in private hands. On what rational basis can you call him a communist?
I suppose you can call Obama anything you want, but you'd be wrong to call him anything but a centrist Democrat who just passed a bill with the same health care mandate that the Republicans proposed 17 years ago.
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