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De la Hoya looked very old & slow last night. He didn't win a round & this was possibly his worse fight ever. A beating!!
Just finished watching the fight. Oscar looked like a washed up fighter trying to go for one last shot at glory. He didn't belong in the same ring as Pacquiao. He was slow and flatfooted and showed no offense at all and little more in the way of defense. Hopefully this will be Oscar's last fight.
It was more of an embarrassment than the Calzaghe-Jones fight where Calzaghe dominated Jones in every way and couldn't stop him but at least Jones tried to put up a fight, and the opposite of the Hopkins-Pavlik fight where the old man taught the young kid a boxing lesson.
A sad end to a once great career for Oscar De la Hoya.
Techman
It was more of an embarrassment than the Calzaghe-Jones fight where Calzaghe dominated Jones in every way and couldn't stop him but at least Jones tried to put up a fight, and the opposite of the Hopkins-Pavlik fight where the old man taught the young kid a boxing lesson.
A sad end to a once great career for Oscar De la Hoya.
Techman
Awesome fight!
Undeniably the current P4P King...
Fighter of the Year...
Hall of Famer...
Manny Pacquiao picked DLH apart. Set the tone in the early rounds, tactician in the middle, and played with him at the end. I don't get how De La Hoya's game plan forgot about Manny's lead left, which was one of his calling cards early in his career. Well his face certainly remembers now, lol.
Is anyone else absolutely shocked that Oscar quit? On his fucking chair at that? I mean, this guy's a fighter. From the Olympics onward, he has shown so much heart in his fights. DLH just seemed like that boxer who would fight until the final bell or got knocked out.
I gotta think Manny took his heart.
After going 7 rounds being hit in the face countless times, can't get a punch off, much less through, and his corner telling him to start fighting or else...Oscar digs deep, shows his heart and figures to claw back late in the 8th (how many rounds has he stolen in his career by showing aggression late and throwing flurries and combos). Tries this tactic with Manny against the ropes. Manny covers, ducks out...backs DLH into the corner (where he previously took a beating) by showing the now-feared lead left...hears the 10 second mark...and says "let me show you how it's done".
After that, Oscar quits. I'm shocked. Maybe he was protecting the KO or embarassment of being face-mangled in front of millions...but knowing him over the years as a fighter with tremendous heart...and watching how the fight transpired...I can only surmise Manny made him quit by taking it.
If so...wow...and bring on Pretty Boy.
Undeniably the current P4P King...
Fighter of the Year...
Hall of Famer...
Manny Pacquiao picked DLH apart. Set the tone in the early rounds, tactician in the middle, and played with him at the end. I don't get how De La Hoya's game plan forgot about Manny's lead left, which was one of his calling cards early in his career. Well his face certainly remembers now, lol.
Is anyone else absolutely shocked that Oscar quit? On his fucking chair at that? I mean, this guy's a fighter. From the Olympics onward, he has shown so much heart in his fights. DLH just seemed like that boxer who would fight until the final bell or got knocked out.
I gotta think Manny took his heart.
After going 7 rounds being hit in the face countless times, can't get a punch off, much less through, and his corner telling him to start fighting or else...Oscar digs deep, shows his heart and figures to claw back late in the 8th (how many rounds has he stolen in his career by showing aggression late and throwing flurries and combos). Tries this tactic with Manny against the ropes. Manny covers, ducks out...backs DLH into the corner (where he previously took a beating) by showing the now-feared lead left...hears the 10 second mark...and says "let me show you how it's done".
After that, Oscar quits. I'm shocked. Maybe he was protecting the KO or embarassment of being face-mangled in front of millions...but knowing him over the years as a fighter with tremendous heart...and watching how the fight transpired...I can only surmise Manny made him quit by taking it.
If so...wow...and bring on Pretty Boy.
Pretty boy only got a split decision against Oscar and I don't think he would have an easy time with Pac. Pacquiao wouldn't have any fear of Mayweather and he would be a lot faster than anyone Floyd has fought. I think the Pacman could be just the fighter to frustrate Floyd and get him off his fight plan. A decision could go either way but I could see Mayweather getting cut and the fight being stopped.
But I don't think the fight will happen anytime soon. If Mayweather does come back I think he will take a rematch against Hatton first as it will be an easy sell and then maybe consider fighting Pacquiao.
What I would really like to see would be Mayweather go up to super middleweight and fight Calzaghe who would have no trouble dropping down and kicking his ass. Obviously that will never happen but it's nice to have a dream.
But I don't think the fight will happen anytime soon. If Mayweather does come back I think he will take a rematch against Hatton first as it will be an easy sell and then maybe consider fighting Pacquiao.
What I would really like to see would be Mayweather go up to super middleweight and fight Calzaghe who would have no trouble dropping down and kicking his ass. Obviously that will never happen but it's nice to have a dream.
PBF fought DLH @ 154 pounds, which is heavy for him, and in a smaller-than-regular ring (per Golden Boy Promotions demands) so he ran from him (which translated into a somewhat boring fight).10-19 said:
On the other hand, DLH took on a junior lightweight, a fighter 3 weight classes smaller than his previous opponent. Before that Pac killed David Diaz who was the lightweight champion of the world.
The reference matchups when it come to Pacman is JMM. Pac won ONE of the two fights and JMM couldn't win ANY as he was knocked down in both fights losing and drawing on the scorecards.
PBF is a better boxer than JMM and a bigger one. At 143 pounds, Pac would be close to his prime weight (of 140) and would outbox and outmuscle PBF.
I agree and glad you finally made it. Sounds like someone is scrrd to contemplate a Pac/PBF fight10-19 said:
. There really wouldn't be a reference fight for the Mexecutioner against PBF and if you are implying JMM is...many differences, and amongst them...JMM didn't run. To that fighter a rubber match? You gotta beat the other guy to get a rubber match, lol. You can't duck someone if you don't owe them a fight because you've beat them and they haven't beat you. If not, then PBF has ducked DLH as well.
To that fighter, the "overtrained" story was interesting at best the day when espn wrote it but hardly a story the day after. Trying to find reason in the unexpected is natural however, I say your reasoning is flawed. Regardless if Nacho and/or Oscar fucked up the training...DLH still quit....remember that part...quit on his fucking chair. Can you honestly think he can recover from that with better training? And anyone with the slightest understanding of 'fight or flight' will tell you the same. Including Oscar, when he told you right after the fight...saying Pac came "better prepared". Sucking on the "fight-weight-a-month-prior" is a trivial teat. C'mon now...he's done fighting super fights....his legacy can't handle two more Pacquiao fights (which is what would be necessary, much more than a PBF rematch, if he thinks he can beat him in the next one and thus owing a rubber match).
But to those who are fighting for DLH's legacy or PBF's (snicker) even when both fighters aren't...carry on with the scenario playing. Dec. 6 was not reference fight for any fight outside a video game. However, it did solidfy that Hatton, DLH, and even PBF need to go through Manny to be considered the best of today.
...btw, Valero? The guy barely has more credibility than your boy, Gamboa. You play in the hype, I see.
Nice call on tonight's fight.Okay, if I'm the smart geeky girl...you certainly sound like the dumb bitter guy.10-19 said:
Yup that's bitter. lol What happened to:10-19 said:
Lol...flip flopping now? Btw, seeing the fight live, I gotta say it was a decent decision.10-19 said:
Here I thought pasting a long excuse article about an overtrained DLH came from you. My bad.10-19 said:
Oh that's where this is coming from? Lol You thought I was comparing the two DLH fights? Not me dude. That was Techman. Sorry to calm down your nipples but your penis envy should be directed at our colleague not me. (love that! "calm down your nipples"...cracks me up) Besides, I said it already...it's NOT a reference fight unless you like playing video games. Feel better?10-19 said:
Man-crush anyone? And I'm the pactard...10-19 said:
Margarito-Moseley fight tonight on HBO at 10pm
My money's on Shane Moseley to upset champ Antonio Margarito in a closely contested fight. Possibly on a split-decision.
My money's on Shane Moseley to upset champ Antonio Margarito in a closely contested fight. Possibly on a split-decision.
That was a great performance by Mosley! The fight should have been stopped with the knockdown at the end of round 8. It was obvious that Margarito couldn't go on for much longer and he could have been seriously hurt.
Thanks for the live link. I missed a few rounds when the first one went down but I caught the last two rounds thanks to the second one.
Great fight!
Thanks for the live link. I missed a few rounds when the first one went down but I caught the last two rounds thanks to the second one.
Great fight!
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I watched the fight on HBO Canada. Anyone who owns a dish & has the movies package could have watched it for free. It was shown on both HBO channels.
As for the fight, i predicted a Moseley win, but not by a total destruction of Margarito. I thought it would have been much closer than it was. In Margarito's corner during the final round of the fight, his corner wanted to end the fight & was convinced not to by Margarito. It was amusing to see that whole exchange live. Margarito should have listened to his corner & avoid a further beating at the hands of Moseley, who's one of the best pound-for-pound fighters of his generation.
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Yeah, I'm glad he did as well...at least he went out like a real Mexicano warrior and didn't quit on his chair like another overtrained vato.10-19 said:Actually I'm glad he didn't listen to the corner and took the extra beating. Margorites are the worst delusional and arrogant bunch of fans in all pro boxing (worse than pavlicians and pacterons)
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