Can a supporting member be banned?

[aimelesfemmes]

Can a supporting member be banned?
This has become a major question to me in my relationship to merb as I was imposed a 2 weeks (unjustified, as I could explain in details if requested) ban following a complain from a supporting member to mod 8.
At this point, I don't feel like giving any name, nor details, I am just asking mods if indeed they will dare suspend a supporting member (as I presented a complain againt this supporting member and requested a justified ban but received no answer) on the same ground and policies than a regular member, and I am asking you, fellow merbites, to express your opinion on this subject.
My second interrogation will be on ban durations. Yes there is a merb rules and regulation. But I don't understand what and who decides on ban durations. I mean, I was banned for 2 weeks, why not 1 week, why not one month! Please let me know where to go to read and understand this basic democratic information...Yes indeed, is this a democratic forum?
The big question obviously is: Can we buy freedom of speech on merb? Dite-moi combien ça coûte, ça pourrait m'intéresser!

 

[aimelesfemmes]

Ok, mais dans les faits, au delà de la théorie, pourrais-tu me donner un exemple vérifiable d'un membre payant ayant été suspendu...Suis pas sûr que: ...Il n'existe pas d'immunité diplomatique sur Merb!

 

[YouVantOption]

Can a supporting member be banned?

At this point, I don't feel like giving any name, nor details, I am just asking mods if indeed they will dare suspend a supporting member and I am asking you, fellow merbites, to express your opinion on this subject.

Dare to suspend? I've seen it, so the answer is yes. Opinion, especially of board members, is irrelevant; you are asking a question that begs a binary answer: Yes or no.

My second interrogation will be on ban durations. Yes there is a merb rules and regulation. But I don't understand what and who decides on ban durations. I mean, I was banned for 2 weeks, why not 1 week, why not one month! Please let me know where to go to read and understand this basic democratic information...Yes indeed, is this a democratic forum?

That is at the discretion of the individual moderator handling the particular case. I imagine they are aware of previous suspensions and their historical length.

I've nudged up against the moderators on a number of occasions, but have always accepted their decision, because, frankly, there isn't much else to do. Their way or the highway, like it or leave. End of story, their board, their rules as it were.

I'm sorry, I have to say this: Were something to become so terrible in their decision-making process that I found it unacceptable, were they to ban me for it, I'd move on. Use MERB as a read-only resource, and, well, MERB would be the poorer for missing what input I provide.

What I wouldn't do is care that of the billions of discussion forums on the net, I could not post to one.

The Mods have limited resources at their command, apart from reason, chastisement, and the threat and act of suspension or banishment. They seem to dole these out in a fair fashion, to my eye, and those that get banned have a choice. I'm not sure what the big compulsion is to continually come back. Pride, I suppose.

The big question obviously is: Can we buy freedom of speech on merb? Dite-moi combien ça coûte, ça pourrait m'intéresser!

The answer is no. Your freedom of speech is not impinged upon by banning on this single discussion board (any more so than a newspaper refusing to publish a letter your send them), and, as I said, I know of one case in which someone is currently banned (incorrectly in my opinion) but they were/are a paying member, so the whole 'pay and I get to say stuff' concept doesn't fly.

 

[Azamat]

Can a supporting member be banned?
This has become a major question to me in my relationship to merb as I was imposed a 2 weeks (unjustified, as I could explain in details if requested) ban following a complain from a supporting member to mod 8.
At this point, I don't feel like giving any name, nor details, I am just asking mods if indeed they will dare suspend a supporting member (as I presented a complain againt this supporting member and requested a justified ban but received no answer) on the same ground and policies than a regular member, and I am asking you, fellow merbites, to express your opinion on this subject.
My second interrogation will be on ban durations. Yes there is a merb rules and regulation. But I don't understand what and who decides on ban durations. I mean, I was banned for 2 weeks, why not 1 week, why not one month! Please let me know where to go to read and understand this basic democratic information...Yes indeed, is this a democratic forum?
The big question obviously is: Can we buy freedom of speech on merb? Dite-moi combien ça coûte, ça pourrait m'intéresser!

Tu lache jamais le morceau toi?

C'est quoi qui est dure à comprendre

Leguy tas donné des exemples des supporting members qui ont été banni car ILS ONT DÉPASSÉ LES RÉGLES DE MERB et non les régles des membres avec des égos gigantesques la

Ils banissent pas pour le plaisir, quand quelquun fait un commentaire raciste envers un autre il mérite d'être banni plus que deux semaine...connais tu quelqun qui a fait ca toi?

 

[YouVantOption]

The big question obviously is: Can we buy freedom of speech on merb? Dite-moi combien ça coûte, ça pourrait m'intéresser!

I just figured out a way to do it! Stop posting contentiously under your name. Pay other active posters to put your stuff up, (send them the posts by PM) until they get banned. Move on to other active posters. I figure $50 USD per (pre-paid) post ought to buy people's willingness to help you out.

I'm happy to burn my account on your behalf, let me know if you want to do this and I can give you my post office box to which you can send my cash.

 

[Mod 8]

Hello Everyone,

The same rules apply to everyone, members supporting members and advertisers. If ANYONE breaks the rules they will be suspended or in extreme cases...banned permanently.

The length of any particular suspension is decided upon by the mod who hands down the suspension. Many things are taken into consideration when making this decision: the type of infraction, previous durations of suspension leveled by other mods for the same type of infraction, the member's record of infractions, and other factors. Repeat offenses will lead to longer bans until finally, if the member does not change their ways, a permanent ban will be handed down.

As far as freedom of speech is concerned, this is a privately owned message board. One of the things we insist most strongly on is that everyone posts with respect for the other members of MERB. Insults and personal attacks are taken very seriously as well as unsubstantiated claims made against other members. To this you can add members who constantly do nothing but stir up trouble on MERB.

But to make the answer perfectly clear, anyone can be suspended or banned. We have banned advertisers permanently for repeated or extreme offenses. NO ONE is above the rules.

I hope this is clear.

Mod 8

EDIT: I would also like to echo Fred Zed's recent statement that no one member is bigger than MERB. If anyone is not happy with our rules and regulations, you are free to leave and post elsewhere. But be aware that just because a board does not have threads listing banned and suspended members and NRPs does not mean that they do not do those things. Here we keep things above board and allow the membership of MERB to see what is going on in their online community.

 

[Arrrg]

Over at PERB, paying advertisers get banned for being out of line, I would suspect the same goes here.

But it only really happens when it goes into all out mess of a flame war or something

 

[metoo4]

This guy only want somebody to tell him he's right, that he's a victim of a conspiracy, that he's treated unfairly because nobody likes him even if he never did anything wrong... In his opinion, insulting peoples and telling them to get lost while attacking their ethnic origin is perfectly acceptable so, no surprises he's coming back with this question.

There's probably more "unanswered questions" in his mind that will surface next time he wonder why he's pushed away by members or banned by the Mods. Nothing beats asking questions while only listening for the answers you like, right?

One more on my ignore list... I hope there isn't a limit to how many we can have!

 

[Dert Cheep]

Stop spending money on advertisers here and see how bigger you get from MERB. Simple, just cut them off like I did. There are alternatives you know. I have cut off Devilish, Shatin, sex city, xxxtase etc etc and found another world of a lot less expensive SPs who are much nicer and don't exist on merb. You just have to work a bit for this and don't expect it to come to you in a silver platter like here.

EDIT: Hello, Tony. Are you sure that you cut THEM off or was it the other way around? Go back where you belong.

Mod 8

P.S. This post, like all your other useless garbage will be deleted soon.

 

[jasmineesc]

This guy only want somebody to tell him he's right, that he's a victim of a conspiracy, that he's treated unfairly because nobody likes him even if he never did anything wrong... In his opinion, insulting peoples and telling them to get lost while attacking their ethnic origin is perfectly acceptable so, no surprises he's coming back with this question.

There's probably more "unanswered questions" in his mind that will surface next time he wonder why he's pushed away by members or banned by the Mods. Nothing beats asking questions while only listening for the answers you like, right?

One more on my ignore list... I hope there isn't a limit to how many we can have!

a lire vos posts depuis un moment, je dois avouer que j'ai trouvé le thread commencé par aimelesfemmes bien plus pertinent que bien d'autres qui ne fonds que tourner en rond. je sais que je vais m'attirer des ennuis, mais je trouve le banissement bcp trop sévere sur ce site... il y a une difference entre etre désobligent et déplacer et simplement emmetre un commentaire anodin sans conscequence. mais bon, je ne croyais jamais ecrire un post, mais ne vous en faites pas je vous requite pour simplement demeurer voyeuse.

 

[Merlot]

This guy only want somebody to tell him he's right, that he's a victim of a conspiracy, that he's treated unfairly because nobody likes him even if he never did anything wrong... In his opinion, insulting peoples and telling them to get lost while attacking their ethnic origin is perfectly acceptable so, no surprises he's coming back with this question.

There's probably more "unanswered questions" in his mind that will surface next time he wonder why he's pushed away by members or banned by the Mods. Nothing beats asking questions while only listening for the answers you like, right?

One more on my ignore list... I hope there isn't a limit to how many we can have!

Hello Metoo4,

Exactly, a lot of people here and a lot I deal with are like this. They never understand what they did wrong and never learn, while always seeking comfort in those who will just agree with them and reinforce their view of perceived persecution.

Too bad,

Merlot

 

[metoo4]

Mmmm... Ca sent le "duplicate handle" à plein nez ici... It's smell like duplicate handle like crasy here...

True! This subject is extremely pertinent, only if it wouldn't come from "aimelesfemmes". Why? That's the posting history that count. Complaining and insulting peoples isn't a very good posting history I'd say... This thread isn't intended to make MERB rules clearer to other users. This is clearly proven by the replies he got: everybody understand the rules but him.

The reason he posted this was to try making a point, trying to have peoples agree with him that he's treated badly when in fact, he's treated like anybody else. The Mods are human reacting in a human way to human situation so, there cannot be a rigid frame to encompass all possibilities, this would be too complex for the volunteer (FREE) implication they have here so, of course, ban lenght can vary from Mods to Mods, situation to situation and members to members.

Some will say that strangely, those who get the harsher penalty are the ones who go on the offensive the stronger and faster or who repeat the same pattern over and over. Well, to me, this isn't strange: this is totally normal! Same as the other discussion about the kid who got shot by cops: if you get in a discussion with an aggressive attitude or allow yourself to becomes aggressive, you can expect the response to be as aggressive if not more than it was at the start.

If peoples could stop watching their belly buttons, playing victims and crying "why me" and "it's not my fault" all the time and start looking around and wonder how they affect the ones around them, what's their real responsibility about the mess they are in, things would be so easy! But that's Utopia...

 

[DouMan]

… in my relationship to merb as I was imposed a 2 weeks (unjustified, as I could explain in details if requested)
… I was banned for 2 weeks, why not 1 week, why not one month!

What is it with all the whining and foot stomping! So you dropped your lollipop, get over it.
Point + fact, YOU went over board rules and you got suspended … suck it up already.

It’s easy, you have choices in your relationship to merb:
_ abide by board rules,
_ sue the board for pain + suffering cause your wittle ego was hurt
_ move along to another sandbox

Your choice …

 

[jasmineesc]

What is it with all the whining and foot stomping! So you dropped your lollipop, get over it.
Point + fact, YOU went over board rules and you got suspended … suck it up already.

It’s easy, you have choices in your relationship to merb:
_ abide by board rules,
_ sue the board for pain + suffering cause your wittle ego was hurt
_ move along to another sandbox

Your choice …

maintenent ma fin approche... je vais ecrire se que plusieurs membres qui ont tentés de rejoindre votre ''secte'' en se fesant reprocher sois de vendre leurs sp ou mp, sois de changer de nick suite a un bannissement ou encore de se faire une bonne réputation(je parle bien sur des filles ou des agences). donc, je vous ferai remarquer que vous punisser un membre pour raciste alors que vous, les merbistes, vous faites en sorte que quiconque tentent une ouverture vers votre groupe, mais qui n'a pas encore une centaine de posts a son actif ou qui s'interresse seulement a un sujet sans avoir fait de review sur une tds, est automatiquement suspect. ne croyez vous pas qu'il s'agit ici d'une forme contournée de raciste, ou vous sentez vous simplement superieur grace a votre background en matiere de consommation de tds??? vous voulez de nouvelles infos sur les filles, mais si c'est une bonne critique vous trouvez ca louche... un premier post vous en avez tous fait un, mais je ne crois pas que votre communauté serait bien peuplée si vous vous auriez tous fait critiqué des le debut. je crois avoir deja entendu'' la chance du débutant...''. je ne crois pas qu'elle s'applique ici. je vous fais seulement part des commentaires que j'ai recu lorsque je fesais partie du metier. donc sur ce joyeux noel a tous et bonne chance dans votre ''recrutement''

 

[aimelesfemmes]

a lire vos posts depuis un moment, je dois avouer que j'ai trouvé le thread commencé par aimelesfemmes bien plus pertinent que bien d'autres qui ne fonds que tourner en rond. je sais que je vais m'attirer des ennuis, mais je trouve le banissement bcp trop sévere sur ce site... il y a une difference entre etre désobligent et déplacer et simplement emmetre un commentaire anodin sans conscequence. mais bon, je ne croyais jamais ecrire un post, mais ne vous en faites pas je vous requite pour simplement demeurer voyeuse.

Merci Jasmine, d'avoir répondu à ma place à quelqu'un qui a partir d'un simple questionnement en vient à èlaborer toute une théorie sur la personnalité d'un autre!

 

[aimelesfemmes]

Just A Minute Guys!

Thank you for answering my questions. I am happy to find out that we are all equals and that supporting members do not get special privileges.
This being said, a lot of you just keep on saying: You made racist comments, you were banned, what's your problem!
But the problem is yours, did you take time to research and find out what kind of racist comment I made?
I guess you didn't!
Everybody seems to agree that merb is not a democratic forum, but is this a reason to make it worse!
I don't care about being banned so much, but I really don't accept to be treated as racist when using the french word ''Germanique'' to talk about a german declared person.
Get yourself a dictionnary!
Then you will research the ''Germanique'' supporting members posts (in french) and find out that vulgarity, insults and name calling from this member have never resulted in any suspension.
You will also clearly undertand that my suspension was a direct result of this supporting member complaining about me. And then, you might understand why I started this thread.
But you have to do your homework...This should have been a good idea in the first place!

 

[aimelesfemmes]

maintenent ma fin approche... je vais ecrire se que plusieurs membres qui ont tentés de rejoindre votre ''secte'' en se fesant reprocher sois de vendre leurs sp ou mp, sois de changer de nick suite a un bannissement ou encore de se faire une bonne réputation(je parle bien sur des filles ou des agences). donc, je vous ferai remarquer que vous punisser un membre pour raciste alors que vous, les merbistes, vous faites en sorte que quiconque tentent une ouverture vers votre groupe, mais qui n'a pas encore une centaine de posts a son actif ou qui s'interresse seulement a un sujet sans avoir fait de review sur une tds, est automatiquement suspect. ne croyez vous pas qu'il s'agit ici d'une forme contournée de raciste, ou vous sentez vous simplement superieur grace a votre background en matiere de consommation de tds??? vous voulez de nouvelles infos sur les filles, mais si c'est une bonne critique vous trouvez ca louche... un premier post vous en avez tous fait un, mais je ne crois pas que votre communauté serait bien peuplée si vous vous auriez tous fait critiqué des le debut. je crois avoir deja entendu'' la chance du débutant...''. je ne crois pas qu'elle s'applique ici. je vous fais seulement part des commentaires que j'ai recu lorsque je fesais partie du metier. donc sur ce joyeux noel a tous et bonne chance dans votre ''recrutement''

Salut Jasmine,
Je trouve pas du tout que ta fin approche...au contraire c'est un merveilleux début...
Une ancienne sp qui vient participer au débat de gars plus ou moins macho, avec des égos plus ou moins gonflés, de polices ayant manqué leur vocation, c'est très intéressant.
Visiblement tu ne viens pas ici pour de l'auto-promotion puisque tu dis ne plus faire partie du métier.
Il y a ici effectivement une clique de ''vieux fonctionnaires du merb'' qui pensent que leur ancienneté et leur support inconditionnel aux mods leur permet de traiter les petits nouveaux comme toi et moi comme des merbistes de 2ème catégorie. Il devrait au contraire penser à l'avenir de ce site et de l'intérêt d'avoir des idées nouvelles.
Au fait Jasmine...ça me dit quelque chose, t'aurais-je rencontré lors de ta carrière?
aimelesfemmes est merbiste depuis peu, mais hobbyiste depuis longtemps!

 

[aimelesfemmes]

Merci Bitchelore pour te révéler à nous dans le cadre de ce thread selon tes habitudes:
1. Tu parles d'un shill au sujet de l'intervention d'une merbiste qui me soutiens. Vraiment c'est ridicule, si tu penses que tu as affaire à un schizophrène qui va s'inventer une double personnalité sous la forme d'une sp à la retraite, franchement!
Jasmineesc s'est exprimée mais comme ça fait pas ton affaire, tu essayes de la discréditer, de faire croire au shill. C'est toujours la même attitude que tu as quand tu viens t'iimmiscer dans les threads de la section Québec. Tu es arrogante, vulgaire (voir thread sur Emilie) et tu es toujours en guerre contre quelqu'un et il est évident que faire suspendre des membres avec qui tu es en désaccord semble te procurer un plaisir...suspect
2. Malgrè ton désir de retenue, tu nous en lâches de belles aujourd'hui d'ailleurs...
3.Tu oublies de dire que tu t'es plainte de moi aux mods (j'ai confirmation) et que tu a désiré et obtenu ma suspension.
4.Moi j'en ai eu assez de ta grossiereté, de ta suffisance et de ton arrogance et je me suis permis de m'adresser à toi dans les mêmes termes que toi tu oses utiliser envers les autres et de me plaindre de toi auprès de mod comme tu le fais envers les autres. La grosse différence c'est que je n'ai rien obtenu, ni en action ni en explication.
5. Que tu sois noire, blanche, française, allemande, polonaise, vraiment ça n'a vraiment aucune importance pour moi. Mais que tu te prennes pour une reine venue sur merb pour faire un trip de domination et de contrôle, non merci!

Malgrè tout, et que cela soit clair, la raison pour laquelle j'ai lancé ce thread, c'est parce que j'ai vraiment ressenti une politique de 2 poids, 2 mesures et non pas parce que j'ai un quelconque ressentiment envers toi personnellement. A vrai dire, tes beaux gros seins m'excitent au plus haut point et tes origines germaniques me replongent dans de bien beaux souvenirs...Comme on dit, faisons l'amour...pas la guerre...

 

[Fred Zed]

Can a supporting member be banned?
This has become a major question to me in my relationship to merb as I was imposed a 2 weeks (unjustified, as I could explain in details if requested) ban following a complain from a supporting member to mod 8.
At this point, I don't feel like giving any name, nor details, I am just asking mods if indeed they will dare suspend a supporting member (as I presented a complain againt this supporting member and requested a justified ban but received no answer) on the same ground and policies than a regular member, and I am asking you, fellow merbites, to express your opinion on this subject.
My second interrogation will be on ban durations. Yes there is a merb rules and regulation. But I don't understand what and who decides on ban durations. I mean, I was banned for 2 weeks, why not 1 week, why not one month! Please let me know where to go to read and understand this basic democratic information...Yes indeed, is this a democratic forum?
The big question obviously is: Can we buy freedom of speech on merb? Dite-moi combien ça coûte, ça pourrait m'intéresser!

Of course a supporting member can be banned. You are paying to advertise, you are not paying for special treatment. The ban period is at the discretion of the moderator but in many cases people who are suspended realize they made a mistake and apologize and often they are allowed back before the ban period has expired. This is a privately owned forum. Freedom of speech only exists within the rules defined for this forum. It's the same as any private club - if you decide
to join a private club you have to follow the rules of the club.

 

[eastender]

Slow Down................

Of course a supporting member can be banned. You are paying to advertise, you are not paying for special treatment. The ban period is at the discretion of the moderator but in many cases people who are suspended realize they made a mistake and apologize and often they are allowed back before the ban period has expired. This is a privately owned forum. Freedom of speech only exists within the rules defined for this forum. It's the same as an private club - if you decide
to join a private club you have to follow the rules of the club.

Though privately owned, the boards exist in the PUBLIC DOMAIN within so they are still bound by appropriate Canadian federal legislation. At no time can board rules supercede applicable Canadian laws and regulations nor can they be used to circumvent such laws and regulations.

The private club analogy holds as long as it is recognized that such private clubs have been sued by both members and rejected or potential members to have federally recognized rights applied. Prime example would be private golf clubs that denied or restricted female membership.