Careful of a "retired" escort

[Dr Edgar Who]

Hello,

Tonight I met up with a "retired" escort who I always liked.
Not giving the name in public, doesn't matter.

We were supposed to meet up, have dinner and then have a rendez-vous as usual.

So, we meet up, we stop the car to go to dinner and some guy in a ski mask gets into the back of the car, which was obviously unlocked. He puts a gun to my head and asks for her purse and my wallet. Then he leaves.

Now the good news is that I only lost the hotel and dinner money cause the money for her was elsewhere
and we found the wallet in the back of the car. Not a great night though let me tell you.

Now, I am writing this because I honestly think she set me up. I have many reasons I am not giving to believe this,
her reaction and things she said basically. On top of that I know her full real name (she didn't know I knew it but I
do) and I also know the name of the guy I suspect was her BF and the guy in the back was the right body shape and
height to be him. If it was a set up then it probably wasn't a real gun but it's still wasn't a fun experience.

I am writing this to let off steam 'cause there's no one else to tell about this in my life.

Also, has she pulled this on anyone else? If this has happened to you/happens to you then write me, you'll have to tell me her
escort name though for me to believe the story. If so, well, maybe we can both go to the cops. Otherwise,
you have heard this story : watch out.

And if YOU read this and you did set me up well enjoy the money but that's a really stupid thing to have done. I might
have had a real gun myself or been a self-defense type who would have either killed your BF or put him in the hospital.
Even if I didn't know your name I have your cell number and your plate number now so I would have been able to identify
you no problem and for SURE the police would have investigated you first even if I didn't suspect you. Not a very smart move,
you can go to jail for shit like that. It's also REALLY not a nice thing to do to someone who has never done you any harm, FAR
FROM IT!

And I might add that I went to university with no money and have TONS of friends who went to university with even less money than me. So, guess what, either work as an escort and enjoy the money or, if you've found someone who you like then bloody stick
with them and live without all the money ; lord knows I did when I was your age, so do most people.

 

[Mod 11]

Everybody, please refrain from posting names in public. Thank you Doc for your discretion.

Doc, where were you parked? How can somebody knew exactly where you were going to park? Street or parking lot, the possibilities are low somebody could have waited for you exactly at the right spot. Random attacks do happen. I suggest you see the cops about this. If it's a random attack, you can bet the guy will try it again.

 

[johnmbot]

robbed in the car
and you're to blame
you give ho's a bad name bad name
-- bon jovi, err, sort of...

glad you survived.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Everybody, please refrain from posting names in public. Thank you Doc for your discretion.

Doc, where were you parked? How can somebody knew exactly where you were going to park? Street or parking lot, the possibilities are low somebody could have waited for you exactly at the right spot. Random attacks do happen. I suggest you see the cops about this. If it's a random attack, you can bet the guy will try it again.

Her car not mine. If it was a set-up it would have been really easy because we parked very close to the restaurant we were supposed to meet at.

Yeah, I guess it was stupid of me to go "outside" the agency/hotel system but I had met her before, many times only a few outside the agency though. I mean I have always been super generous with her so it really pisses me off to think she could do such a thing to me.

 

[cpp433]

i would call the police, and have no idea why you didnt after being held up at gunpoint, thats some pretty serious shit

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

i would call the police, and have no idea why you didnt after being held up at gunpoint, thats some pretty serious shit

Yeah, I almost don't know why either. She didn't want to call the police and it was only when I insisted that this was the thing to do that she got upset.
Again, that, the fact that the "gun" was pointed at me the whole time, never at her and a bunch of other things suggest to me that it was probably her.

What a STUPID thing to do. I could put both of them in jail for this.

THing is that, you know what, I just don't really want the trouble and I figure (hope) that she will learn from the experience and I guess I'm too nice a guy.

Also, well, I didn't lose my wallet and cards or my keys and, well, I just don't think it was a real gun. I don't know why, I would be much more upset if I thought that it was. Of course I have no way of knowing one way or the other.

I mean, if it wasn't a real gun, well, I just got taken for a ride and was never in danger. What good will it do to go after her? I mean, once she realised I knew her real name and wanted to call the cops, she REALLY looked upset and scared. Do I really want to ruin her life? Again, if YOU read this, most people in my situation probably would have called the cops, told them everything they knew and got you in serious trouble... much worse than being found out as an escort. And don't even try anything else on me or anyone else. If anything ever happens to me you can be sure that I will set things up in such a way that you are discovered.

 

[Jman47]

Dr. E,

Glad to hear you are ok...holy s**t, what an experience.

What will be interesting to see over the next few days is if another member here has had the same experience, with the same girl...that will tell all.
It sure sounds like you were set up to me - that sucks, really.

BTW, good move on stashing the funds elsewhere...I always do that too, just because I'm nervous to carry large amounts of $.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Thing is, more I think about it, more I'm pissed. What is the sentence for threatening someone with a fake gun in Canada?

 

[Special K]

This is one very messed up situation. Wow! Anyway, glad you came out unscathed Doc.

 

[johnmbot]

...and I figure (hope) that she will learn from the experience...

ummm... learn what? seriously...

 

[IamNY]

You were a victim of a crime and you should report this to the police.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Doc-

I am glad to hear you are OK but I am wondering why a taxi was not used in this situation. I have met a few working ladies under the same kind of circumstances, including a few times outside an agency (girl stayed off the clock after the date), and the deal was always the same, meet at my hotel, take a taxi to the restaurant and then another taxi back to the hotel. It's not really clear to me why her car was used or why you needed to meet near the resto, but from the little you have told us it sounds like you set yourself up (if that is in fact what happened, as opposed to random robbery). If a lady wants to dictate all the terms of when, where and how the meeting is to take place, I would have been suspicious and it sounds like you were not. What was stopping you from saying to her, "let's meet at my hotel and then take a taxi?" And asking these questions are important if you ever want to prevent the same thing from happening again. If the lady then gives fishy answers, you call things off. This would be equivalent to a lady coming to your room and telling you she needed the money up front so she could go and pay the driver who is really mad. It's an ages old scam that has worked a few times.

If she was insisting on using her car and insisting on a meeting spot near the restaurant and she chose the restaurant as well and you did nothing to counteroffer suggestions to her proposed arrangement, it sounds like you may have naively walked into a set up. Only you know what her reactions were, and what was said before and after.

Note that going to the police will likely expose you as a hobbyist. The cops will want to know how you know her. Do you plan on lying to the police? It's a crime where I come from to lie to police and I can presume it is a crime in Quebec as well. If you go to the cops you have to come clean 100% that the deal was dinner and money for sex.

 

[Special K]

C'mon Beav. You can't say that he set himself up by the arrangements that he made without knowing the full story. There are certain girls that I know and have become friends with whom I would have no problem being picked up at my hotel or where ever by and brought to a resto and then taken back to my hotel. No problem whatsoever!! To insinuate that he brought this on himself is completely off base. Depending on how well he knew the lady in question would go a long way to an explanation here.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

If she was insisting on using her car and insisting on a meeting spot near the restaurant and she chose the restaurant as well and you did nothing to counteroffer suggestions to her proposed arrangement, it sounds like you may have naively walked into a set up. Only you know what her reactions were, and what was said before and after.

Note that going to the police will likely expose you as a hobbyist. The cops will want to know how you know her. Do you plan on lying to the police? It's a crime where I come from to lie to police and I can presume it is a crime in Quebec as well. If you go to the cops you have to come clean 100% that the deal was dinner and money for sex.

We used her car 'cause I don't have one. I've met her before "off the clock" for dinner and for coffee, she's given me a lift before (no, not to my home). I think I have even been introduced to the guy who may have done it. I know his full name too and, from pics on the internet of him I'm even more sure of the fit. I mean, I'm not stupid, I know her reason for meeting me in general but I never thought she would have stooped to such behaviour. I can say that I'm not happy about the few hundred I lost but way more upset of the violation of my trust in her. I have been generous with her beyond the call of duty in the past and I just don't understand how someone could do something like that to someone who has tried to be so generous with them. Let's just say my confidence in humanity, and escorts in particular, isn't at an all time high right now.

Tell you the truth, I'm surprised how well I took it; I mean, with the idea that I had a gun to my head. It was only after that I started thinking I had been set up and that it probably wasn't a real gun or that, at least, there was probably no intent to use it. I wasn't really that nervous but it sure wasn't possible to sleep last night! Adrenalyn pumping and a profound sense of unease. Really doesn't make me feel like seeing escorts for a while, nor carrying money around with me in general. So maybe it's time for a little break from this hobby.

Yeah, if I talk to the cops then I would rather be totally honest. My closest family knows about this activity (or at least such activity in the recent past) but I haven't told any friends. I would rather answer all questions from the cops honestly to show my good faith. So long as I can't be charged with anything. I don't know, I am still leaning to not seeing the cops. I wrote out a very, very detailed document last night with all the details (before I forget), esp suspicious things she said. But, you know, other than a few hundred bucks and my confidence in humanity, I haven't lost anything. Again, let's say it's her... and I'm feeling more sure than ever. Do I really want to report it and see her and her BF go to jail? They get criminal records and their lives are ruined. Do I actually want to do that to her? I mean, she's obviously just a really, really stupid kid. I mean she quit escorting so she can get into something a million times more illegal and dangerous? If I thought the cops would just scare the shit out of her then I'd definitely report her but I don't really want to ruin her life.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

C'mon Beav. You can't say that he set himself up by the arrangements that he made without knowing the full story. There are certain girls that I know and have become friends with whom I would have no problem being picked up at my hotel or where ever by and brought to a resto and then taken back to my hotel. No problem whatsoever!! To insinuate that he brought this on himself is completely off base. Depending on how well he knew the lady in question would go a long way to an explanation here.

Well, you can be sure I will be WAY more careful in future!!! But I have seen her many times as an agency girl, once or twice since she quit and a few times "off the clock" for dinner or coffee... yes I trusted her, well, I mean, I didn't think she "really, really" liked me (wouldn't have dared propose we go dutch at a dinner!) but I wouldn't have thought she would do something like this. For now, we're probably looking at a break until my nerves calm themselves. I consider myself a really, really good client in all respects and often develop some level of "friendship" with the girls I meet. This is the only one I have ever gotten a lift from though.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

ummm... learn what? seriously...

Good question... I don't know. Maybe nothing. I mean, learn that she can rip off some guy and get away with it?
I hope that's not what she's learning! She looked scared as hell last night (not after the robbery, after her continual
attempts to discourage me from calling the cops didn't seem to be working and after she realised I knew her real name and that
of the guy I suspect might have been her partner in crime). I guess I just hope that there was a bit of a wake up call
there for her, that not having money is not as bad as going to jail and having a criminal record.

But, I don't know, maybe she won't learn anything from this.

Thing is : I didn't lose my wallet, didn't lose that much money (less than on a "bad date" with an escort) and I also don't know if I want the hassle of going to the police.
Morever, again, do I really want to ruin her life? I mean six months in jail (or whatever) and a criminal record could be a REALLY bad turning point for her at this point, she might never recover.

Any SPs want to comment? I mean, surely some of you have been threatened with a gun. Should I ruin this girl's life for being a stupid greedy fool?

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Okay, just to be really clear : I am not planning on telling anyone her name by PM. Moreover, I answered "no" to the first proposed name but I will not answer any further enquiries so as to not have ber be identified by elimination. Thank you all very much for your warm words though and any advice on why I should/shouldn't go to the cops and especially legal risks of my telling someone what the deal was and/or how much trouble they would be in. Obviously, if you had a similar experience then I would be interested in hearing from you!

PS : If YOU are reading this, know one thing... one relative and one friend already have your name and his and they don't know what the fuck I was going on about but if anything ever happened to me they are very clear that those names are to go to the police. Also provided is the info required to find my six-page description of what happened last night and a very extensive amount of information (phone numbers, license plate, website, home address, business address) for one or both of you. I would really not recommend threatening me or anything, only going to make things worse and I most likely won't go to the police out of sympathy for you and because I don't want the hassle. Don't push me even a bit further, I am unmarried, have no girlfriend and my closest family already knows about these activities; I don't especially want to go to the police but if you do anything else I most definitely will and I have very little to lose in doing so. I will also publicly broadcast your name here on MERB (or at least do so by PM to a very large number of people here) and contact all the agencies in montreal (and maybe Quebec and Ontario) to let them know you did this, I mean, they might hire you anyway but this would seriously compromise your ability to go back to escorting to raise money if you really needed it. Finally, I know both something of YOUR and HIS career hopes. If you do ANYTHING ever again to me I will be sure to do everything I can to ruin them (letters to potential employers, I have friends in HR companies...I will find out what I can do).

 

[EagerBeaver]

To insinuate that he brought this on himself is completely off base. Depending on how well he knew the lady in question would go a long way to an explanation here.

I did not insinuate that he brought crime on himself, but rather that he put himself in a situation where this could happen. That's all. It is entirely healthy to ask these questions otherwise others may end up in the same situation. Obviously we all make decisions sometimes based on implicitly trusting someone and sometimes get burned. When that happens, you have to ask yourself why did things go wrong and did I do anything to contribute to this situation. If you don't ask yourself these questions, then you NEVER learn from your mistakes and are doomed to repeat them. I believe in accountability for one's own actions and choices. I do not subscribe to the view that we are all victims of something beyond our control when something goes wrong. This is the lack of accountability view of things and I just do not believe in it. It could have happened to any of us, yes that is true. But that does not mean we can't self analyze why it happened. I have in my own mind criticized my own choices in my own head after doing various deals with various ladies and if you do not think this way and reflect on your own actions, you never learn a fucking thing.

DR EW, I sincerely feel bad for you, and thank you for sharing this story with us.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Regarding her identity the only thing I will say is that this was not an obscure girl working for an obscure agency.

She was a moderately well known girl originally working for a very well known agency.
Many of you have most likely seen this girl.

Until last night I thought I was very priviledged to still be able to see her since her retirement. That's looking like a laugh now!!!

 

[Dee]

I know her reason for meeting me in general but I never thought she would have stooped to such behaviour. I can say that I'm not happy about the few hundred I lost but way more upset of the violation of my trust in her. I have been generous with her beyond the call of duty in the past and I just don't understand how someone could do something like that to someone who has tried to be so generous with them.

Thanks for telling us.

I agree with what you said above. You treat someone fairly, have confidence in them and then this happens. It's truly soul destroying. We all want to be able to trust others and not examine everything under a microscope every time we do something.

Just because it was a setup doesn't mean it wasn't a real gun.

Apart from trust, it's good that you only lost money.

If it happened to me I wouldn't go to the police as I wouldn't want what I was doing exposed. But that isn't a problem for you. If they are set-up armed robbers then they should be caught and punished... this is no shop lifting and there is no reason to think that you are the first or the last. What in Gawd's name do you owe her? But I'm not saying you should go... it's up to you of course and I think that you just don't want to do it.

In a very, very minor way I've helped some ladies out.... the result is to be always asked for more... I can understand, it but it is disappointing.