Careful of a "retired" escort

[Maria Divina]

In all cases, I like to treat or to be able to treat people at the same level of generosity and consideration they used for me.

Bad treatments included.

As I know, the level of consideration and generosity for yourself the ganster used for you was more than inexistant, in fact, all the opposite.

I really don't know who attack you, but one thing is clear: you should report it to the police that you were attacked and robbed. Or, if you have another personnal ways to handle this situation and to recover from your lost, you could do it too... But one thing is clear: you shouldn't let it go without try to do something. If you are not doing something, you are acting completely as a victim, and that could be worst for you eventually psychologically.

I just hope that everything will turn on positively for you at the end, and I can tell you that's totally something chocking to have learn your story, and that's very sad that an escort, who is not doing any harm to anybody in her activities of escort could turn suddenly as a ganster attempting to the life of someone for a couple of hundreds dollars.... That's completely insane, and I might think that, if this is her boyfriend who really attacked you, that she was under his bad influence (exactly as any pimp could be for any escort......) and he wanted like a kind of revange against you because you previously saw her as an escort.

What a mess!!!!!

I hope that everyone here are enough conscious to understand that she could be part of a really rare minority...

Mr. Dr., the best thing you could do to help her, if she is really the one who robbed you, is to make her face the consequences of her acts... You aren't now feeling any much post-traumatic incidences, but if you won't do nothing, that could be worst, as I stated a little above. You must think of yourself first now, instead of your crooks, but all the decision is on your shoulders.

Bon courage, good luck!

 

[Man911]

I totally agree with you, this a set up.
Why ask your wallet only and not her wallet too? I'm sure they do this for fun, not for the money.
Now, they are laughing in their living room.... maybe talk the story to all theirs friends that you had pissed in you pants when he point the gun to you.
Don't worry they will do it again, and again. It's a game for them.

 

[pokerpro]

That's what I thought too. Any lawyers out there to tell us what the actual penalty might look like here in Canada?

I am NOT a lawyer but I have studied law at University and worked as an investigator for the federal goverment. Here's my opinion on your case. First of all, I also think, with all the details that you've given, that you were set up. BUT if they would prosecute them on the basis of the numerous suspicions you have, I am almost convinced they would be found not guilty, in absence of strong evidence. There is a saying we learn in law school, 1000 suspicions do not constitute 1 proof ( 1000 soupcons ne constituent pas une preuve).

The guy was behind you, wearing a ski mask, and it happened at nite time I presume. When you cannot positively identify the suspect, that is already a big problem for the prosecution. Defense attorneys will also bring up the fact you never had problems when meeting this girl on numerous occasions,etc. Her reticence to call the cops could be defended by saying she did not want to expose her illegal activities, she was in a state of shock, or that she was afraid of calling the police and having to face the ''unknown'' gunman and testify against him in a trial. Defense attorneys would bring up the fact that you didn't need her approval to call the cops, the gun was pointed to your head, you were the primary victim. They will also put in evidence the fact that you waited a few days before contacting the police, pleading that her reasons of not calling the cops are therefore not suspicious or an indirect proof that she was part of the criminal act.

You seem to hesitate between dropping the whole thing or making an official complaint at the police. Before doing either one, here's a few steps you could do.
Since you have the full names of both of them, you can search on www.jugements.qc.ca and find out part of their criminal or judicial past. You can also go to a Palais de Justice (Notre-Dame street in Old-Montreal) and ask a copy of their court record(pedigrée). If I'm not mistaking, I think you will also need their date of birth.

If you choose to meet a police investigator, and make an official complaint, do not hide your hobbying activities. There is an unwritten rule, not to prosecute a victim reporting a major crime for a minor activity he was or had the intent of doing. Just to give you an example, prostitutes who make complaints when been beaten or get a gun pointed to them by clients are never prosecuted for prostitution.

Another option, is to go meet an investigator and make a ''signalement'' for now, instead of an official complaint. In the past, I received a menacing phone message from the ex-boyfriend of a girl i was starting to date. I went to the police station, asked to file a report but specifing I did not want to make a complaint. I mentionned in the report having received threats on my phone answering machine and that i kept a copy of it. I mentionned that it came from my girlfriends ex but never identified him . The officer gave me a event number (proof of my report) and said to come back and see them if I had other problems or if I decided to prosecute. My girlfriend (then) called her ex, told him i made a '' signalement'' without naming him... We never had any other problems with him.

To conclude, I do not think you have enough evidence to make an official complaint and point at suspects right now, but if you do a little research, discuss confidentially with LE ( or even send a friend or a family member get information on your behalf) I think it would be the proper think to do. You were not the victim of a pick-pocket, you were the victim of a serious crime. Let's say you find out in a few weeks that another hobbyist fell in the same scam and ends up killed. You will always have on the conscience that you did absolutely nothing about it...

Good luck, and thank you for sharing this with us, we are all more aware of these possibilitees thanks to you and we'll be more cautious.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Okay, I'm getting distressed PMs from the girl asking me to stop writing stuff. Not surprising, I guess esp. if she only has a few clients she is bound to be fucking nervous about losing them. IShe actually says she wants to kill me, not sure if this is a figure of speech. have received enquiries by PM with the correct ESCORT name. I will reply to these I have decided. I am not going to put the ESCORT name in public and not put the real name anywhere UNLESS I have any further threats to my person. Again, if ANYTHING ever happens to me again YOU are in deep shit. You can't even kill me because that would definitely set off a police investigation with you as prime suspect. I haven't gone to the police and I WON"T mainly at this point because I want to keep that threat alive if YOU try to escalate things.

I should add that I have been getting distressed text messages from her even though, as of this instant, I have NOT divulged her name to anyone. I merely haven't replied to recent PMs, one of which got the name right. For all I know there's a dozen escorts out there getting panicky messages from clients! However, again, I think it is best to just air this out "in public" here on MERB (without names of course). MODs, I am going to write you in a second to ask you if this is an acceptable course of action, in your opinion.

MOD 11 : I have emailed you, please reply. As of this moment I have not confirmed any name even by PM. I want your okay before I do this.

Now, I have invited her to defend herself here. I am going to go through my text and post the whole thing here on MERB later, obviously eliminating any references to names.

NOW, PEOPLE, I COULD BE WRONG... MAYBE IT WAS RANDOM. In that case, well, not fair to blast her publicly. If you have seen her in the past, well, she's fucking gorgeous, keep seeing her 'cause after this thread, even if she was responsible, I really fucking doubt she'd ever try shit like that again. Only, maybe, just to be safe, make sure it is only in hotel rooms!

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Jesus, why the F*ck did this have to happen to me? I won't be able to leave my house except maybe during the day. I honestly wonder if I shouldn't consider getting a taxi to drive me to work next week, straight from my door. Well, if I dont' see any escorts for a while, I guess I'll spend all my dough on taxis instead. I am sure she could get some sex-hungry neanderthal to rough me up or worse. Now, should I be talking to the police? Should I be talking to a friend who used to be a bouncer/ultimate fighter?

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

I totally agree with you, this a set up.
Why ask your wallet only and not her wallet too? I'm sure they do this for fun, not for the money.
Now, they are laughing in their living room.... maybe talk the story to all theirs friends that you had pissed in you pants when he point the gun to you.
Don't worry they will do it again, and again. It's a game for them.

Supposedly her purse and car keys were taken too, only let me tell the story in more detail later today.
For now, gotta get off MERB for a while and think about something else.
MODs please email me, not giving out name by PM even until you have said it's okay.
Obviously even then only past escort name not real name.
If you can't make up your mind yet please just email me to let me know you are thinking about it.

 

[Special K]

Wow, what a can of worms this has opened up now Doc. So I assume that you're getting threats of bodily harm via PM and text now from this girl?

 

[Jman47]

Dr. EW,

If you are feeling that threatened that you fear leaving your house, this has gone way too far.
Are the threats real? Only you know.
Some people just do not know when to stop...or know when to let go.

If you are receiving threats, then perhaps your best reaction now is to follow the advice of Maria and pokerpro. Go to the authorities and meet an investigator and make a ''signalement'' for now, instead of an official an official complaint. At least your information will be on record and they will know.
She should not be threatening you. You should not have to live in fear.
All you were trying to do was have some fun.
What bullshit ...This is so sad.

I hope this works out ok for everyone involved.
Take a deep breath, calm down and think it through. Find someone you can trust and talk to them.

May cooler heads prevail.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Wow, what a can of worms this has opened up now Doc. So I assume that you're getting threats of bodily harm via PM and text now from this girl?

Whoa... sorry people!!!!

Calm down! She said she wants to kill me, it was most likely a figure of speech!!!
I mean, you have to assume when someone texts that they want to kill you, they are just really pissed.
She is definitely maintaining her innocence. I do not have conclusive proof it was her.

Now, as for not wanting to leave my house alone... I'm still in shock after last night
and for sure, if it was her she wants to shut me up and perhaps is willing to go to
lengths that are pretty extreme to achieve that. I just don't know. I have a lot to shit
to do around the house this week-end anyway. I will just stay in and only go out
in someone else's company for a while. This is just being VERY careful, which after
an event like last night, is a normal reaction, perhaps over-reaction.

And again sweetheart, DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT HURTING ME. MY MOM HAS YOUR NAME
AND THE GUYS NAME. SHE DOESN"T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE BUT IF I END UP IN THE HOSPITAL
OR ANYTHING YOUR NAME WILL DEFINITELY GO TO THE POLICE. AND, I HAVE GIVEN HER
AND A FRIEND THE INFORMATION WHICH, BETWEEN THEM, WILL ALLOW THEM TO FIND
ON THE WEB A VERY DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF LAST NIGHT AND A WHOLE LOT OF INFO
ABOUT YOU AND ABOUT THE GUY I SUSPECT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.

 

[Roadtripr]

Dr. Ed.

Not to worry. It is a big jump from committing "armed-robbery" (for which they do not expect to get caught) to "assault with intent to murder" or worse. They would just be pissing their lives away.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Dr. Ed.

Not to worry. It is a big jump from committing "armed-robbery" (for which they do not expect to get caught) to "assault with intent to murder" or worse. They would just be pissing their lives away.

Absolutely agree but calm, reasoned good sense may not be a strong suit here.

 

[Dee]

Goodness me ....

I'm a "let most things go" softy/chicken sort of guy but the time comes when a line has to be drawn and a "Shock and Awe" campaign started or else you will be at their mercy. They have taken your non-naming and nonreporting not as signs of kindness but of weakness.

AT THE VERY LEAST, you have to tell her that one more threat, or even a hint of a threat or problem will see a report made to the police and her name revealed to others. The death threat is another crime.... don't you reason it away, let the police work on it if you report. The time has come. This they will understand.

[Do you think that it might be too late for make up sex? - just a little humour in a serious topic.]

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

NOw, I have been getting lots of people suggesting names...
I have denied two but there are three others that have been suggested that fit the bill.
I will not confirm which of the three it is until the MODS tell me it is okay. Promise to reply then.

Until then, sorry, no. And if someone kills me in my sleep tonight, I guess you'll never know. (I frankly need a little humour break...I hope this is humour).
HOpefully two locks and an alarm system is enough security.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

AT THE VERY LEAST, you have to tell her that one more threat, or even a hint of a threat or problem will see a report made to the police and her name revealed to others. The death threat is another crime.... don't you reason it away, let the police work on it if you report. The time has come. This they will understand.

THe only threat was last night and I don't have proof it was her and I REALLY doubt, if she was responsible, she intended to hurt me. But I may be dealing with a desperate, foolish person. I just don't know. I have to assume the worst for my safety.

 

[Jman47]

Dee,

Used to think it was never too late for make up sex...but in this case it's not looking good...lol

Thanks for the laugh.

Hey Dr. EW - SMILE!
And if I was you, I'd find a lady you could trust and jump back in the saddle ;-)!

 

[Dee]

You may wish to review your byline:


Keeping out of trouble...

 

[CS Martin]

Wow, quite a drama here. Well, my best to you......I'm going to get a poutine

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Roadtripr :

Brillant suggestion. If she's guilty and I do go to the cops you have a BRILLANT idea and yes I'd fucking have her. I will add that to my personal document on the web for my mom.
Any brillant suggestions on how to prove she is guilty is most appreciated. Thanks Roadtripr, you're brillant. Please don't forward that suggestion to anyone else because I will definitely
use it (if I need it that is).

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Thank you

You may wish to review your byline:


Keeping out of trouble...

First time I have really laughed all day. THank you.
That was a reference to trying not to get banned on MERB again.
one reason I am being very careful to get MOD approval before confirming/denying names even by PM.

 

[Dr Edgar Who]

Hey Dr. EW - SMILE!
And if I was you, I'd find a lady you could trust and jump back in the saddle ;-)!

This may surprise you but, right now, sex is NOT the first thing on my mind.
It is quite out of character I know.