Fake gun or real gun makes no difference. It's still called armed robbery and the penalty is the same as far as I know.
Careful of a "retired" escort
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Fake gun or real gun makes no difference. It's still called armed robbery and the penalty is the same as far as I know.
That's what I thought too. Any lawyers out there to tell us what the actual penalty might look like here in Canada?
hopefully the peneltys are very stiff, people like that need to be taken off the streets,, u look at it as they had no intention of harming you, but what id you fought back?,he wouldve had no choice but to shoot you! what if the gun accidently went off while it was pointed at your head?, it went off smoothly with you, but might not with the next guy, i think maybe your convincing yourself that this is not serious because you really dont care about the money, but the real matter is the next victims safety, this girl and guy are not poor lost souls, this is predatory behavior
Robbery
343. Every one commits robbery who (a) steals, and for the purpose of extorting whatever is stolen or to prevent or overcome resistance to the stealing, uses violence or threats of violence to a person or property;
(b) steals from any person and, at the time he steals or immediately before or immediately thereafter, wounds, beats, strikes or uses any personal violence to that person;
(c) assaults any person with intent to steal from him; or
(d) steals from any person while armed with an offensive weapon or imitation thereof.
I think the penalty is left up to the judge and so if it's just some silly kid doing something for the first time i don't think much will happen, but if it's a guy with a long recording of bad crimes he will get more, as he should.
Can't help thinking that for the protection of other people from the possibility of very very serious crimes and maybe even death it should be reported. If nothing else it would discourage the crooks.... they think they have you because you were with an escort and wouldn't want to tell.
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I think that's impossible to say. So much depends on the persons prior arrest record. If it's the first time arrested, probably get off with a light penalty.
Doing a quick check I found this case where someone pleaded guilty to armed robbery and conspiracy to commit and was given an 18 month sentence to be served in the community. And this was in a case where someone was murdered and he was an accomplice waiting outside.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/09/06/qc-brigitteserre0906.html
I believe in the US he would have gotten life.
Yeah, it's going to feel wierd just getting out of my house today... will I ever walk the streets (esp at night) with the same confidence again?
Definitely going to try and minimize my risk when seeing escorts (time with cash on my person), although I was already fairly prudent.
We'll have to see about dinner out, I've never had dinner out with an escort whose real name I didn't know (though, as in this case, she might not have realised it!)
and only "off the clock". Already pretty strict conditions!
It could have been a real gun and might have had real bullets, I don't know. Scary thought.
My activities aren't exactly public knowledge; I don't especially want to have them be declared to all my friends and colleagues but my close family already know.
Guess what? I don't think there's anything wrong with seeing escorts morally speaking or I wouldn't do it. I never forced this girl (or any other) to do anything. Close family were a bit shocked but they were more concerned about the cost of doing it (and my less dilligent recent RRSP contributions) than they were about the morality of it. My friends are generally fairly like-minded so I don't think it would be too big a deal but it's still not something I am looking for. Not information you want out there if you ever want to date/marry a girl who never worked in the biz. Still, as I've said, I don't have that much to fear in being exposed.
... and there's a good chance, although no absolute guarantee, that your friends will never find out.
Thank you for that info, seems pretty clear that it's the same offense regardless of whether it's a real gun.
I am hoping that they will be discouraged regardless of whether they get busted...if they go to jail won't that just force them into a life of crime? Her career caput, his career caput.
I am sure this is new behaviour for her anyway, and it didn't work out quite as they had hoped and I think they must now be very aware of risks they may have discounted.
You are a nice guy.
Why would they be discouraged? it worked and so far no consequences for them. They will use it as a learning experience to do a better job next time. Highly highly doubtful it was the first time for them.
If it really is the first time its best they be caught early so they don't get hardened. Greater chance of rehabilitation early on. If they are new at it you might even be doing them a favour.
Why would they be discouraged? it worked and so far no consequences for them. They will use it as a learning experience to do a better job next time. Highly highly doubtful it was the first time for them.
If it really is the first time its best they be caught early so they don't get hardened. Greater chance of rehabilitation early on. If they are new at it you might even be doing them a favour.
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Dr. EW,
After reading through this and knowing now a little more about your experiences, I understand the total betrayal you feel after having had this done to you. You trusted someone and literally got taken...it has happened in some form to many of us.
I don't think you should pass the guilt or negative qualities of these 2 individuals on to the rest of the human race, I believe people are inherently good. But, you should be extremely cautious in your future dealings with sp's and always watch your back - trust no one, except yourself. If your rv's with this girl were at certain hotels or restos I would not use them for a while, etc.
Relative to you reporting this to the police, I agree with EB and others here - if no one was hurt why put yourself through the hassle with LE. They could turn you into the criminal. However, you mention something in one of your posts that indicated you could (or may have) have been contacted by the perpetrators since the event. If that is the case and you feel threatened, you may want to reconsider. Up until now no one has been hurt...let's keep it that way. If they are smart they will just keep quiet and ride off into the sunset. Let's hope they do.
What I do find interesting is that no one else has come forward here on merb and said or admitted that this has happened to them. Do we think perhaps this is a first for this behavior from her and you were the first unlucky victim? BTW, I am trying to figure the gain here. I mean you had a date, she was going to get paid. By robbing you, dates off, she has the cash and the upside is she did not have to have sex?...is it me or does that sound like it may have been motivated by the BF? Or did she think the date would happen anyway after the robbery?
Anyway, glad you shared this...there are not too many secrets in the business, so I am sure the identity of the guilty will sooner or later be knowledge in the hands of those who need to know. Hopefully everyone moves on and this does not get stupider than it already is...
Be careful and stay safe.
After reading through this and knowing now a little more about your experiences, I understand the total betrayal you feel after having had this done to you. You trusted someone and literally got taken...it has happened in some form to many of us.
I don't think you should pass the guilt or negative qualities of these 2 individuals on to the rest of the human race, I believe people are inherently good. But, you should be extremely cautious in your future dealings with sp's and always watch your back - trust no one, except yourself. If your rv's with this girl were at certain hotels or restos I would not use them for a while, etc.
Relative to you reporting this to the police, I agree with EB and others here - if no one was hurt why put yourself through the hassle with LE. They could turn you into the criminal. However, you mention something in one of your posts that indicated you could (or may have) have been contacted by the perpetrators since the event. If that is the case and you feel threatened, you may want to reconsider. Up until now no one has been hurt...let's keep it that way. If they are smart they will just keep quiet and ride off into the sunset. Let's hope they do.
What I do find interesting is that no one else has come forward here on merb and said or admitted that this has happened to them. Do we think perhaps this is a first for this behavior from her and you were the first unlucky victim? BTW, I am trying to figure the gain here. I mean you had a date, she was going to get paid. By robbing you, dates off, she has the cash and the upside is she did not have to have sex?...is it me or does that sound like it may have been motivated by the BF? Or did she think the date would happen anyway after the robbery?
Anyway, glad you shared this...there are not too many secrets in the business, so I am sure the identity of the guilty will sooner or later be knowledge in the hands of those who need to know. Hopefully everyone moves on and this does not get stupider than it already is...
Be careful and stay safe.
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Yes and no, she has a direction in her education and can probably manage very well without this business in not too long.
SHe's probably basically "addicted" to the money but has a boyfiend who doesn't want her to work. This was "the perfect
solution" and I somehow doubt they would have used a real gun and I really doubt their have been many victims (I may even be the first,
and hopefully last!). I am sure they didn't intend for anything to happen but, yes, something could have happened, the gun could have gone off by accident if it was real.
What good will it do her or me to report this to the police? Isn't it more important to make it clear to her that she can't do this (even once) without being strongly suspected
and surely not more than once without getting busted?
PS : I don't know for sure if she is responsible. Her energetic arguing I shouldn't call the police and give them her name didn't exactly make me suspect her less.
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I think I was the first victim 'cause the BF and retirement are relatively new. She has probably run through her cash, doesn't want to work but wants the cash. Also, I hadn't been in touch in a fairly long time and thought I'd inquire about her Xmas and if it was possible to see her. For the longest time no answer then suddenly enthusiasm. I think her BF saw the text messages, they talked about it, and this "clever plan" gradually began to hatch where she could have her cake and eat it too...
Amen to that!
Bear in mind that I'm not 100% sure this is a set up so she isn't necessarily guilty.
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Yes I try to be.
Well, I hope you are wrong about them using this as a learning experience. She's a Montreal based escort and he lives here too so it will be hard to rip too many people off (hopefully I'm the last). I hope they just thank god I'm this easy going and clue in to the fact this is not a risk free way of making money. In her case, she just doesn't have to do this much longer and she'll be able to graduate and (hopefully) get on with her life. At some point I am going to have to feel safe leaving my house again (at least to go to work).
Another point is that she is not advertising right now so far as I know and it was clear from our conversation money is short since she quit. She originally told me she had kept a few guys as clients (3-4 sort of thing) but I don't think she has a long file-o-fax of targets.
Hey Jman, yeah, no police. Besides it may not be her.
I talked to her after the event for like 2 hours man... unfortunately the more she talked the more she said things that made me suspicious.
She has tried to convince me of her innocence and, who knows it's not impossible. Someone could have followed her (or me for that matter).
No, we didn't go to the hotel in the end... hard to do that after that night.
I can text her as much as I like, still have her cell number. She is pissed at me this morning and, much as I'd like to believe her and see her again, I think I am best to assume the worst and never see her again.
To respond to many of your replies : this girl has basically quit the biz, she is NOT ADVERTISING anywhere.
If you are seeing someone with an ad, it wasn't her.
Hello all,
Full story or not how can anyone blame the victim for being robbed.
I have had the same kind of relationship with an escort and have rode in her car with her after knowing her for a long time also, just as I have driven her around several times.
To be fair to the lady, her more emotional exhibition after hearing you wanted to go to the police might just have been fear of being totally exposed to friends, family, and the world...adding to the trauma of armed robbery; as well as the possibility that her reaction could have been a ploy to play on your sympathies as part of the act. But you had a gun to your head. The reality was your life was in the balance of what happened. If they are guilty of a robbery scam then no one should feel any guilt about putting them away. If this was a robbery scam by both her and the gunman then your guilty feelings only allows them the chance to do this again. At the very least doing nothing allows the thief more opportunities.
But it is your life and your choice. Just be careful you don’t let either the feelings you may have for her or the possibility of being betrayed be the decisive factor in your decision. Try not to let emotions get too involved in deciding what to do. Do what you think is best with as clear a mind as possible in such a situation.
Good luck,
Merlot
PS
Giving yourself time to think about this clearly may give you a better perspective. But writing down every detail you can think of now will not only keep your testimony fresh and more valid...it may also illuminate the situation for you when put it all together like this.
Full story or not how can anyone blame the victim for being robbed.
I have had the same kind of relationship with an escort and have rode in her car with her after knowing her for a long time also, just as I have driven her around several times.To be fair to the lady, her more emotional exhibition after hearing you wanted to go to the police might just have been fear of being totally exposed to friends, family, and the world...adding to the trauma of armed robbery; as well as the possibility that her reaction could have been a ploy to play on your sympathies as part of the act. But you had a gun to your head. The reality was your life was in the balance of what happened. If they are guilty of a robbery scam then no one should feel any guilt about putting them away. If this was a robbery scam by both her and the gunman then your guilty feelings only allows them the chance to do this again. At the very least doing nothing allows the thief more opportunities.
But it is your life and your choice. Just be careful you don’t let either the feelings you may have for her or the possibility of being betrayed be the decisive factor in your decision. Try not to let emotions get too involved in deciding what to do. Do what you think is best with as clear a mind as possible in such a situation.
Good luck,
Merlot
PS
Giving yourself time to think about this clearly may give you a better perspective. But writing down every detail you can think of now will not only keep your testimony fresh and more valid...it may also illuminate the situation for you when put it all together like this.
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Good point M.
The BF could have been acting on his own, knowing she would not give him up. She could have been just as surprised as Dr EW and her response could have been to defend both him and herself (and the exposure, etc)
But still, based on what has been presented - looks way to fishy...
Great advise - easy to say, but very difficult yo accomplish...all that emotion has to be compartmentalized.
Best of luck Dr EW, no one know the situation better than you.
Yes, it could be but there's a lot of other wierd stuff. I don't feel like writing a novel here though (already did that in Word).
Again, she was MUCH more emotional about my calling the cops and giving her name than the loss of her purse or the robbery per se. I explained that we didn't need to tell the cops
about the arrangement per se. I mean, he didn't even steal the money for her. In any event, she's an adult, how does her family get involved if she's not guilty
of a set-up? She just gives a deposition explaining what happened and that's it. Her parent's don't even have to know, she doesn't live at home.
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