Disappointed in the Montréal sex workers this weekend

[RobertNYC]

Montreal isn’t what it was, and the fact that the the number of agencies has dwindled in the last couple of years has set the scene back considerably. Less competition.

Many on merb, including Patron and EB, have identified the reasons that we are in a bit of a lull. One of those reasons, as Patron pointed out, is this is the Puriteen generation. I think they’re more excited about getting stoned than having sex. Culture just feels so different today, because it is.

That said, the holiday season is a tricky time given college finals, parties and holiday travel. That’s not the only reason for the regression, but it is a factor in December.

Montreal has always been notorious for cancellations, but back in the day you could text several other agencies for backup options. You could arrive on a Friday night and decide early Sat afternoon who your hot Sat night date would be. I remember booking Alexis at Good Girls at 6p or 7p for a 9p appointment after weighing five other equally amazing options at that start time. That seems like a lifetime ago.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I hate to disagree with you but you are not going to see a decline in pricing, except maybe a few specials during holiday times when things are really slow for SP as most people are seeing family and friends and have spent on gifts for them.
There is also a labour shortage which makes getting decent civi jobs easy plus many have discovered they can make ends meet with other type of sex work like OF where they don’t have to meet with a client. Then there are the ones that believe they are not prostitutes if they rebrand themselves as sugar babies.
Perhaps if we enter into a recession which is very likely then it may turn around a bit for the ones that will still be able to afford it.

I do agree with you. Once prices go up they never go back down, just saying that the rapid price increases would stabilize more or less. OF is a big part of it, could be why some girls are less interested to provide a good service, they might be making money off OFs on the side.

 

[wii_fit_trainer]

This weekend, my partner and I decided that we were interested in hiring someone for a few hours for some fun for my birthday weekend. He and I are both sex workers and understand the importance of scheduling ahead of time. 3 different cancellations. I contacted 2 agencies that I had worked for in the past and both agencies told me that as someone who they know personally that it wasn’t worth it because I wouldn’t get the standard of service I was expecting. I contacted a few ladies who I’ve done duos with in the past, or ladies I’ve had a good rapport and have met them face to face. A few were out of town and then there were ladies who straight up told me they only come to chill. No service provided. Completely mind blown. I wasn’t expecting any lesbian action. More to service my partner and all we got was the run around and the others didn’t provide service to black men.

Last minute cancellations and bad service is a common experience hobbyist have with SW, welcome to the club.

 

[Numerati]

Well Covid and the introduction of LonelyFans have really knock the quality of the Montreal SP scene for sure.

Girls couldn't go out there and knock on that hotel door for that envelope and they need to make ends meet. So these girls headed to LonelyFans to ply their trade and realized that it is a very lucrative endeavor. They don't have to suck cock and they have guys throwing money at them plus they are making much more doing LonelyFans. I mean can't blame them.

 

[cpp433]

Well Covid and the introduction of LonelyFans have really knock the quality of the Montreal SP scene for sure.

Girls couldn't go out there and knock on that hotel door for that envelope and they need to make ends meet. So these girls headed to LonelyFans to ply their trade and realized that it is a very lucrative endeavor. They don't have to suck cock and they have guys throwing money at them plus they are making much more doing LonelyFans. I mean can't blame them.

I just find it astounding that theres that many guys out there that are willing to shell out cash for pics and vids to wack off to when there is literally BILLIONS of images and vids for free out there on the net, including many of hotter girls than any than we make talk of

 

[Batista Mason]

I just find it astounding that theres that many guys out there that are willing to shell out cash for pics and vids to wack off to when there is literally BILLIONS of images and vids for free out there on the net, including many of hotter girls than any than we make talk of

This is just theory but I think those people believe because they are in direct contact via DM for chatting or transaction with them, they believes to have a chance to attract them via their money. Like the Twitch streamer Amouranth, I remember reading a fan sent her 70,000$ and offering his protection against her abusive ex-boyfriend.

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29-year-old Kaitlyn Siragusa, who variety streams on Twitch as Amouranth, has not had an easy year. She pushed her offline extracurriculars, buying an inflatable pool company and building her investments, but her public life got overshadowed by her brutally candid disclosure that she was in an...

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[cpp433]

This is just theory but I think those people believe because they are in direct contact via DM for chatting or transaction with them, they have a chance to attract them via their money. Like the Twitch streamer Amouranth, I remember reading a fan sent her 7,000$.

Twitch Streamer Amouranth Receives $70,000 In Cash, Private Security From Anonymous Donor [Update]

29-year-old Kaitlyn Siragusa, who variety streams on Twitch as Amouranth, has not had an easy year. She pushed her offline extracurriculars, buying an inflatable pool company and building her investments, but her public life got overshadowed by her brutally candid disclosure that she was in an...

finance.yahoo.com

Unreal, shes gonna enjoy that money and eventually go back to her abusive loser, or another loser just like him.

 

[Fradi]

I just find it astounding that theres that many guys out there that are willing to shell out cash for pics and vids to wack off to when there is literally BILLIONS of images and vids for free out there on the net, including many of hotter girls than any than we make talk of

I really don’t get the attraction of Lonelyfans and how guys think they have a connection with a girl they subscribe to.
I find it totally ridiculous and sad that guys would be paying for this, can’t blame the girls and many work hard putting in a lot of hours to supply continuous new content to keep them hooked.
Then again pornography has never really attracted me that much, once you have seen a couple of these porno movies you have seen them all and yes there are thousands of far better looking ladies out there that are free than some of the local ones here so it is not just about looks but the thought of having some kind of personal connection.

 

[cpp433]

I really don’t get the attraction of Lonelyfans and how guys think they have a connection with a girl they subscribe to.
I find it totally ridiculous and sad that guys would be paying for this, can’t blame the girls and many work hard putting in a lot of hours to supply continuous new content to keep them hooked.
Then again pornography has never really attracted me that much, once you have seen a couple of these porno movies you have seen them all and yes there are thousands of far better looking ladies out there that are free than some of the local ones here so it is not just about looks but the thought of having some kind of personal connection.

I get that of course, but as an adult you have to know that the “connection” is fake and thus not a connection at all, at the end of the day its their $ and can do whatever they please with it, but i just dont get it, id rather use the $ to actually fuck than to fool myself into thinking maybe someday ill get to fuck

 

[Fradi]

I get that of course, but as an adult you have to know that the “connection” is fake and thus not a connection at all, at the end of the day its their $ and can do whatever they please with it, but i just dont get it, id rather use the $ to actually fuck than to fool myself into thinking maybe someday ill get to fuck

Pretty much when you look at it from the point of view that you are paying for it everything is fake including when you see them.
Some are just better at it than others. You are paying for a fantasy when you see them in person which they provide and some of those have been fabulous and they are gorgeous and worth every penny.
They are human and for sure they will have clients who treat them well and overtime will prefer and with very few you may even develop a genuine friendship that lasts even when they retire but that is rare.
For me there is zero attraction in Lonelyfans as porn doesn’t attract me I would much rather watch a real movie.

 

[Gazoo64]

^^^^
To each their own, but I can’t understand why some guys subscribe to OF, rather than seeing the SPs in person?!?

The quality of service provided by SOME SPs has gone down lately in Mtl, in part due to OF! Who can blame them, they can make a lot of $ by doing OF and not having to see the clients in person.

I’m not speaking for all SPs, some of the regulars that I see still provide great service.

 

[Fradi]

^^^^^
To be honest for me there has been no change what so ever if anything things just keep getting better.
However I see my ATF 90% of the time and one other young lady who I know for over 5 years they never disappoint and we know each other well by now and I always look forward to seeing them. Occasionally I see someone new but again they tend to be well established Merb advertisers who have great reviews.
I am not the adventurous type who will venture into things from LL or other mostly scam sights and I don’t like going through bookers and middle men so I dont use agencies and MP places are totally not my thing I find them to be awkward and sketchy.
Like you mentioned to each to their own.

 

[NataliaLatina]

Last minute cancellations and bad service is a common experience hobbyist have with SW, welcome to the club.

Honestly, it blew my mind.

 

[envelopes]

I really don’t get the attraction of Lonelyfans and how guys think they have a connection with a girl they subscribe to.
I find it totally ridiculous and sad that guys would be paying for this, can’t blame the girls and many work hard putting in a lot of hours to supply continuous new content to keep them hooked.
Then again pornography has never really attracted me that much, once you have seen a couple of these porno movies you have seen them all and yes there are thousands of far better looking ladies out there that are free than some of the local ones here so it is not just about looks but the thought of having some kind of personal connection.

It is because they never discovered the world of hobbying.

They don't realize for the price they pay, they can literally fuck these girls. If they did, they would 100% rather do that. But with American culture making sex work sound like it's all exploitative and all trafficked women... men are afraid to discover the hobby.

It's also the simp culture. As discussed on this thread, the new generation of women are "puriteens", guess what the men become? Complete simps and they get brainwashed into thinking that sex is pretty much rape unless a woman asks you for it and provides you with a signed consent form. So what do they do instead? They stay inside and stay on their computers all day. I have heard so many people consider SW/hobbyist as rape too... it's this Gen Z woke garbage.

Honestly, it blew my mind.

An update to my trip report I posted above, I finished my 1.5 week trip in Montreal. I saw about 20 SPs. Going through my texts, I had about 15 last minute cancellations, and no-shows. So about a 50% cancellation rate.

I had 3 SPs on my TDL and I asked for the schedule the night before to make sure I could book the SPs on my TDL. When I got the "early schedule", the SP I wanted to see was already fully booked, so this agency pre-books out SPs before schedule even comes out. This is why I rarely use certain agencies.

Overall, Montreal is still a decent hobbying destination compared to other places in Canada/US, but it's certainly declined drastically. I used to rank way MTL above London and US. Now London is way better than MTL and US/MTL is about the same...

Perhaps if we enter into a recession which is very likely then it may turn around a bit for the ones that will still be able to afford it.

Haha, I hope there's a recession and US Congress goes after ONLYFANS like they went after TER and other SW sites... just put the word "trafficking" in there and suddenly, the "Christian values" will destroy them. If ONLYFANS gets into the GOP crosshairs, maybe the hobby will be revived

 

[RobertNYC]

It is because they never discovered the world of hobbying.

They don't realize for the price they pay, they can literally fuck these girls. If they did, they would 100% rather do that. But with American culture making sex work sound like it's all exploitative and all trafficked women... men are afraid to discover the hobby.

It's also the simp culture. As discussed on this thread, the new generation of women are "puriteens", guess what the men become? Complete simps and they get brainwashed into thinking that sex is pretty much rape unless a woman asks you for it and provides you with a signed consent form. So what do they do instead? They stay inside and stay on their computers all day. I have heard so many people consider SW/hobbyist as rape too... it's this Gen Z woke garbage.



An update to my trip report I posted above, I finished my 1.5 week trip in Montreal. I saw about 20 SPs. Going through my texts, I had about 15 last minute cancellations, and no-shows. So about a 50% cancellation rate.

I had 3 SPs on my TDL and I asked for the schedule the night before to make sure I could book the SPs on my TDL. When I got the "early schedule", the SP I wanted to see was already fully booked, so this agency pre-books out SPs before schedule even comes out. This is why I rarely use certain agencies.

Overall, Montreal is still a decent hobbying destination compared to other places in Canada/US, but it's certainly declined drastically. I used to rank way MTL above London and US. Now London is way better than MTL and US/MTL is about the same...



Haha, I hope there's a recession and US Congress goes after ONLYFANS like they went after TER and other SW sites... just put the word "trafficking" in there and suddenly, the "Christian values" will destroy them. If ONLYFANS gets into the GOP crosshairs, maybe the hobby will be revived

You and Patron make great points on the Puriteen Generation. It’s just all so weird. Gen Z is more interested in Netflix, binge viewing, weed and video games than anything sexual. Proud to be a Gen Xer.

50% cancellation rate is just ludicrous, and quite frankly unacceptable on the whole. I believe US agencies take a firmer hand with their girls cancelling (they’ll find themselves off future schedules because they’re not dependable). Montreal agencies seem to be more forgiving, and perhaps that’s connected to C-36. You can’t make a girl work (and I’m not suggesting agencies should…..but 50%?…..)

I never thought of London as a hobby destination. Interesting.

 

[RobertNYC]

London is by far the most preferred destination for Romanians and Eastern European ladies. The ones with the best teeth and who want to get a quality education, good living conditions, a good part time job, and braces and teeth whitening if they did not arrive there with top-notch teeth. It is like 3 to 5 times more desirable than living/working at a German FKK and listening to the local customers insist that she is only worth 50 euros for a half-hour including BBBJ instead of 100 euros, all while thinking if she had just managed to get the plumb London gig at Divas she would be making four or five times that much. The competition makes the native London girls work harder and at a lower price (albeit more than the Eastern Europeans). Same principle in Spain with ladies from Latin America (and the Ukrainians in Madrid), and with Portugal and the Brazilians, although there is more price-matching in Spain and Portugal. The Spanish and Portuguese women are nicer to the foreign competition than the London local girls are, even though I suspect they would secretly like to happily wave goodbye to the ship that sails them back to South and Central America. The Economist Magazine once did an article with the caption Olga, Upstairs where the local London lady went off about the foreign competition.

A not at all insignificant reason for the price increases in North America is the lack of immigrants and the barriers that are placed on them working in the industry. It is even showing up in Europe from time to time. It might not pass, but one of the many proposals under Spain’s debated rules are enhanced penalties if an immigrant from a war-torn country is helped to enter sex work. Can you imagine the What The Fuck reaction that must have gotten from the many Ukrainian ladies at Madrid’s three houses that specialize in Ukrainian/Russian ladies.

Let me ask the obvious question. If one of the reasons to use a Montreal agency instead of an independent is to fuck a wider variety of girls, and if they are somewhat interchangeable in that they are all pretty 20-30 year olds who do BBBJ, are cancellations that big of a deal?

As I said in an earlier post, I think the Montreal independents (the ones with their own websites, not the LeoList types) are providing top-notch service and trying to adhere to schedules and deliver the expected performance. Perhaps not coincidentally as a result of the fact that their rates have increased quite significantly in the last few years (thanks in no small part to laws like c-36 and Fosta/Sesta, as well as improved technology that makes being an independent easier, and the decline in the youngest ladies entering the industry). Not that different than the Romanians who plucked the London gig, they have no interest in messing it up.

But if you don’t go with a higher priced independent in Montreal, how big of a deal are cancellations, really. Are guys getting stuck with not seeing anyone at all, or is it just cute little Cinderella showing up an hour later than planned as a substitute for gorgeous Sunshine that you had reserved. Aren’t they both likely to deliver the same service?

Great insights on the London marketplace, Patron. I enjoy London very much but never thought of it as a hobby destination as I figured it might be too pricey and restrictive. Need to check out. I’ll investigate what screening might be required.

Yeah, cancellations are a big deal because I prefer the agency route and evening appointments. I’ve been left frustrated a few times when major agencies canceled my 9p appointment a couple short hours before, leaving me scrambling with slim pickings at that time. A 2pm cancellation is generally not a big deal.

I don’t like the Indy bookings in Montreal as I usually don’t plan for a visit north of the border until a couple days before (I’m a Fri eve to Sunday afternoon guy generally, deciding that Wed to make the trip). That still leaves enough time to reach out to the big agencies, but sometimes Indy’s are not available 48 hours before.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Last minute cancellations... is a common experience hobbyist have with SW, welcome to the club.

It's not like it's unheard of on our side. We deal with no shows, times wasters and last minute cancellations constantly too.

why are these ladies slacking. That’s the sex worker in me. The other part is, I usually get what I want and this thoroughly has me flustered because I have no control over other peoples flakiness.

Slacking? Sounds like a really pleasant mentality. More importantly, what were you doing slacking then? Are you the only one allowed to take time off?

I'm happy for you that you usually get what you want but that's not how life works. Sometimes we don't get what we want. It happens, it doesn't mean everyone sucks. If that's the attitude you had when booking, I'm not surprised some people flaked or suddenly had to be somewhere else.

So there’s no excuse for the flakiness.

Like there's no excuse for your entitled attitude?

I find it weird that you're a SW on a review board bitching about your colleagues.

I can't speak about myself because I don't see couples at all but could it perhaps make some sw uncomfortable to take a booking from another sw and her partner? Maybe worried that it could potentially cause drama for whatever reason.

Considering your reflex to run to Merb to complain that you didn't get an appointment, I'd be inclined to think you'd probably do the same if anything wasn't up to your standards, or wasn't done exactly how you do it.

The prospect of getting slammed by a fellow sw might lead some to steer clear. Just a thought.


Sorry, girl. No disrespect but this isn't it. Pretty disappointed. Very pick-me. *shrug*

 

[envelopes]

But if you don’t go with a higher priced independent in Montreal, how big of a deal are cancellations, really. Are guys getting stuck with not seeing anyone at all, or is it just cute little Cinderella showing up an hour later than planned as a substitute for gorgeous Sunshine that you had reserved. Aren’t they both likely to deliver the same service?

So your question boils down to: "are cancellations really a problem?"

..... Yes.

 

[wildcarduser]

This weekend, my partner and I decided that we were interested in hiring someone for a few hours for some fun for my birthday weekend. He and I are both sex workers and understand the importance of scheduling ahead of time. 3 different cancellations. I contacted 2 agencies that I had worked for in the past and both agencies told me that as someone who they know personally that it wasn’t worth it because I wouldn’t get the standard of service I was expecting. I contacted a few ladies who I’ve done duos with in the past, or ladies I’ve had a good rapport and have met them face to face. A few were out of town and then there were ladies who straight up told me they only come to chill. No service provided. Completely mind blown. I wasn’t expecting any lesbian action. More to service my partner and all we got was the run around and the others didn’t provide service to black men.

I wish to have a wife who think like you.

 

[Anna Bijou]

I wish to have a wife who think like you.

That's great to hear you'd like to have a wife who does sex work. Awesome. Often, men want the threesomes but are freaked out about the sex work part. Good for you for wanting to marry a sex worker!


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