Do any Sp's/Strippers know how to defend themselves?

[EagerBeaver]

I mean, really. What does Charles Bronson have to do with real life? He's an ACTOR, Eager Beaver. In a MOVIE. It's all make believe.

Charles Bronson technically may have been a professional actor, but the fact is that he was Paul Kersey, and the techniques of self defense used by Kersey and other Bronson characters have been adopted on the streets and are the subject of discussion on self defense boards and private vigilante groups such as the Guardian Angels of New York City (if I am correct Bronson was Curtis Sliwa's inspiration, from what I have read). So I think you have defiled this man's memory and completely understated his impact on the culture of street self defense that has developed in the aftermath of the Bronson films.

Bronson himself was a tough little bastard who grew up in a tough coal mining town in Pennsylvania. His family were Polish immigrants and he had a blue collar upbringing and did not miss too many fights in his youth. He drew on these experiences to become well known as a thinking man's street fighter. What you see in his films (have you seen them at all???) is improvisation based on real life experiences that he drew upon.

As a screen tough guy, Bronson merely had to be himself. The fact is that he did make some other very successful films and acted in television as well due to the fact that he also had acting talent and a screen presence. I will grant that his performances in "The Great Escape" and "The Magnificent 7" represented very good acting. His performances in the "Death Wish" films, "The Evil That Men Do", and "The Mechanic", however, were not acting but Bronson simply being himself. I would suggest that you rent these films and enlighten yourself.

I would not advise a client to get their law from TV or a movie, but I would advise anyone interested in the art of self defense to rent the above mentioned films (as well as Bruce Lee's films and in particular "Enter The Dragon", which is 100% real). Bruce Lee, unlike Bronson, was not a professional actor but rather a very charismatic man with unbelievable talent in the martial arts. Bronson's talent was in using the element of surprise as a strategy in self defense on the street.

Enjoy the films, Pen.

 

[pen]

Self edit:

Trust to your movies, Eager Beaver.

I'm sorry I defiled the memory of your beloved hero.

 

[eastender]

Why do you want people to get hurt?

Charles Bronson technically may have been a professional actor, but the fact is that he was Paul Kersey, and the techniques of self defense used by Kersey and other Bronson characters have been adopted on the streets and are the subject of discussion on self defense boards and private vigilante groups such as the Guardian Angels of New York City (if I am correct Bronson was Curtis Sliwa's inspiration, from what I have read). So I think you have defiled this man's memory and completely understated his impact on the culture of street self defense that has developed in the aftermath of the Bronson films.

Bronson himself was a tough little bastard who grew up in a tough coal mining town in Pennsylvania. His family were Polish immigrants and he had a blue collar upbringing and did not miss too many fights in his youth. He drew on these experiences to become well known as a thinking man's street fighter. What you see in his films (have you seen them at all???) is improvisation based on real life experiences that he drew upon.

As a screen tough guy, Bronson merely had to be himself. The fact is that he did make some other very successful films and acted in television as well due to the fact that he also had acting talent and a screen presence. I will grant that his performances in "The Great Escape" and "The Magnificent 7" represented very good acting. His performances in the "Death Wish" films, "The Evil That Men Do", and "The Mechanic", however, were not acting but Bronson simply being himself. I would suggest that you rent these films and enlighten yourself.

I would not advise a client to get their law from TV or a movie, but I would advise anyone interested in the art of self defense to rent the above mentioned films (as well as Bruce Lee's films and in particular "Enter The Dragon", which is 100% real). Bruce Lee, unlike Bronson, was not a professional actor but rather a very charismatic man with unbelievable talent in the martial arts. Bronson's talent was in using the element of surprise as a strategy in self defense on the street.

Enjoy the films, Pen.

Why do you want people to get hurt?
My father and I worked in clubs as
bouncers for almost 35 years and it is
absolute stupidity what you and others
here advocate.Charles Bronson is a
joke - almost as funny as Mighty Mouse
cartoons.Enter the Dragon is about as
real as pro wrestling.Count the shots to
the head - how much bleeding do you
see,how many totally destroyed faces do
you see?

Never bring anything that is in any
way a weapon into a club.The pros
on staff can handle the situation.A
loose weapon only increases the chances
of someone getting hurt.The dancers
and other female staff members are
constantly reminded to back away and
get help.

Do not bring your martial arts background
or attitude into a club.When I first started,
I worked a club with a decorated Green Beret
who came to Canada after his experiences
in Viet Nam.We booted a few wannabe
martial arts types for being rowdy.They
came back the next night with their
instructor who challanged my partner,
assumed his favourite stance,took two
vicious shots to the head and dropped.
The wannabes ran off faster than Ben
Johnson,while we were kind enough to
keep the dislodge the instructors swallowed
tongue and perform basic first aid until
the ambulance came.He survived but was
a shell of his former self.

Please readers do not take the advice of
these jokers - you will only get hurt,not
them.

 

[Magda]

Do not bring your martial arts background
or attitude into a club.When I first started,
I worked a club with a decorated Green Beret
who came to Canada after his experiences
in Viet Nam.We booted a few wannabe
martial arts types for being rowdy.They
came back the next night with their
instructor who challanged my partner,
assumed his favourite stance,took two
vicious shots to the head and dropped.
The wannabes ran off faster than Ben
Johnson,while we were kind enough to
keep the dislodge the instructors swallowed
tongue and perform basic first aid until
the ambulance came.He survived but was
a shell of his former self.

Please readers do not take the advice of
these jokers - you will only get hurt,not
them.

Those jokers were no martial artists, they were hooligans. In nearly every martial discipline (and I stress the word "discipline"), instigating violence and conflict is regarded with contempt. These types are shamed for not following an honourable code of behavior. In most schools of repute, they would be immediately kicked out, least they harm the reputation of the school. That "instructor" (instructor of what? stupidity?) was an idiot and a disgrace. He got what he deserved for posing as some kind of expert. Anyone can BUY a black belt, but it takes dedication and discipline to EARN it.

So, I think if people have a REAL background in martial arts, they would be well advised to bring it where ever they go. Real martial artists don't start conflict or forget their (self) discipline.

Even though my actual formal training in martial arts is not extensive, I do read Martial Arts magazine just out of interest and appreciation of martial arts. I once read a very good article about choke holds and how to get out of them. I must have learned something because I employed the technique I read about to free myself from a client who had just went off on me. I kept thinking to myself that it was very important I didn't lose conciousness. If I had blacked out I just don't think I would be alive today. ONe thing is for certain, when you are in a choke hold, it is a deadly situation. If you think your attacker is going to just let you pass out and wake up again, you are terribly naive. They are trying to kill you. I highly recommend defence training to SPs and to use everything you got. Don't be complacent if you want to live. This isn't your daddy giving you a spanking - this guy wants to harm you, even kill you. Just use everything at your disposal until you can get the hell away from them.

Stella does offer a self-defence course, and it is free for sex workers. Also, they have a Bad Tricks and Assaulters List and if you do have a bad date informing Stella's staff could help another working from being attacked at the hands of that same offender.

http://www.chezstella.org/stella/?q=en/

 

[Firewire]

Just to add my $.02 and I'll shut up about the subject... self defense classes designed for women are a great idea and totally recommended. When you're looking around for different places to take these lessons, just make sure the instructors are nothing like these guys

 

[HonestAbe]

Right on Magda!

[/QUOTE] I once read a very good article about choke holds and how to get out of them. I must have learned something because I employed the technique I read about to free myself from a client who had just went off on me. I kept thinking to myself that it was very important I didn't lose conciousness. If I had blacked out I just don't think I would be alive today. ONe thing is for certain, when you are in a choke hold, it is a deadly situation. If you think your attacker is going to just let you pass out and wake up again, you are terribly naive. They are trying to kill you.[/QUOTE]

A properly applied choke, say a guillotine choke, side choke, or a rear naked choke which are most commonly used, leaves you about 6 seconds to react and get out of it, otherwise its lights out. Naughty lady gave a good example of one way to try and get out of a rear naked choke but there are many more, take the time to learn them and practice the ones you feel are most effective that you can execute properly because 6 seconds won't leave you time to try more than two.

BTW Firewire, that link you provided nearly had me on the floor in tears. I take it those guys are comedians?

 

[Firewire]

I take it those guys are comedians?

Abe,

I sure hope so! LOL Make sure to check the Hate Mail section.

 

[Techman]

Martial Arts

The majority of Black Belts that are turned out by the dojo's wouldn't last 2 minutes in a street fight. It doesn't matter how many kata you know or how many boards you can break. Boards don't hit back, as someone once said. Until you have been hit, and know how to take a punch, don't get involved in a fight. My old instructor got in many bar fights and never lost. One time he decked two cops when they tried to take him from behind, unaware of who they were. More showed up, pointed guns, and took him out with cuffs on his wrists and ankles. One day a guy put 5 bullets in his back when he was out having a beer. Doesn't matter how tough you are, a gun is tougher.

You want to learn how to protect yourself? Learn how to run fast.
For women, forget the bear spray or mace. Get a small high powered fog horn at Canadian Tire and tape a small cheap camera flash unit to it. Blast the horn in his ear, flash his eyes and run. Non lethal and legal to carry anywhere and require very little aim.By the time the guy regains his senses you are long gone.

eastender: your friend's name wouldn't happen to have been Bing by chance would it?

 

[eastender]

reply.

eastender: your friend's name wouldn't happen to have been Bing by chance would it?

No - actually if you would re-arrange his
initials you would still be left with a question.

 

[John_Cage]

I am non-violent specialist but I happen to understand the "weakness" of a non-violent person. It's the "non-violent" part... lol !!!

As Pen said, we are too civilized, thus making us almost useless in a fight (some more than others). I never threw a punch in my life (dead serious...), I get out of situations with verbal skills and charm (and I rarely get into "situations"). This is NOT the same with women, you can't talk a rapist out of raping you. You NEED to fight back. How many times have you see a man being knocked down by a woman, and then he just recovers and takes her down? You need to "finish" the job, so-to-speak. It takes like 2 seconds to get off the ground; which is about half way to the door (in a hotel room)... ie. NOT enough. However, if you choose to knock him over the head with a lamp, he's not getting up for another 2-3 minutes (longer if you knocked him out). Remember, it's self-defense As Long As you don't use "excessive force". Excessive being objective, and since most people know the difference of strength between a 200 lb guy and a 105 girl, it's hard for anyone to say if a certain action is "excessive" (lamp in the head notwithstanding). Key is... Run when he's DISABLED not just "took a hit".

Learning martial arts is useless for someone who just looking to "defend" himself/herself. It's too hard to be "good" at martial arts. With martial art movies every 2 months, you see wannabes everywhere... they are not martial artists. Real martial artists have YEARS of training and a very DEEP understanding of their practice. To have a quick practical defense, learn Self-Defense. That's MEANT to disable as quickly as possible agaisnt a superior opponent. It's meant to win-for-the-moment, whereas martial art is win-period. Unless you plan on beating the shit out of your assailant, it's pointless to devote time and spirit into martial arts.

If you MUST learn a form of martial arts, learn a "melee" style. Most hardcore styles are too deep (such as the style that eastern martial artists uses, Steve Segul does it sometimes too: where you stay close to the opponent and deflect their blows close-range... I forgot the name). Tai-Chi is useless unless you went MASTER with it; Karate is useless in general; TKD and Muay-Thai is useless in close-range (Muay Tai is a bit better than TKD in a melee engagement); Jijitsu (spelling?) requires too much strength for women... Case in point, stick with Self-Defense techniques (it's a technique rather than an art).