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But here in quebec, there reason are so insignificant... its pretty much complaining because your dad gave you 50 bucks to go out when you wanted a 100....

Would that would be for me, it would be the army in the streets right now, the immediate arrest of the leaders for 4-6 months of prison, and no "candy sentence" to the people that get arrest in the streets. Minimum a month in jail...

It's the other way around pal. It's like your daddy rip you off of a 100 bucks when he used to take 50 from your pay so that he can sit on his lazy a$$ with a big pension while you work for him. And once he'll have everything he needs after wasting all the goodies... you get stuck with his big fuck!ng debts to pay.

You guys still haven't learn from the past.
What do you think happened after stupid old fart Trudeau brought in the Army with his puppet Bourassa in the 70's ?
They got whipped out by the parti Quebecois for years to come and almost got Canada divided !

I say go ahead and bring the army.
You'll get this on every news channel in the world.

Show how hypocrite this gov. has become and everyone will finally see just how much corruption there is.
Go ahead bring it on ! :eyebrows:
 

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When do you guys think all of this will be over? Can we expect things to settle down before the Jazz festival?
I'd say that, given the inflexibility of the government and the resolve of the students and using the conflict in Northern Ireland as a test case, we should count on this lasting between 5 and 300 years. On the other hand, Beav, I'd say that the whole affair is having a greater effect on you than it is on anybody here other than the students themselves and the cops.

While I can occasionally hear some crowd noise off in the distance, life seems to be going on pretty much as usual.
 

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It isn't about the fees. It is about terrorism and insurrection and the unwillingness of our supposed government to defend democracy and the right of students to go to class without being thugged by red tagged scum. Why send the army to Afghanistan to fight for these things and then do nothing when they are under threat at home.

If this is what a liberal arts education provides [and it seems few of the protestors are from the sciences and professional faculties] the protestors provide the best argument in reducing all government subsidies to sociology, political science, woman's studies and other programs which are worse than useless, but actually destructive and anti democratic.

If you disagree with me, feel free to put your address on merb so that those who disagree with you can non violently toss a brick through your window and express themselves by hauling you out of your workplace. [Oh but wait the student terrorists only do that to female students, they just make lots of noise when faced with a dude who might fight back]
 

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and it seems few of the protestors are from the sciences and professional faculties
I'm sure you'll be happy to document this for us. I'll be back later to check on the results of your research.

Oh but wait the student terrorists only do that to female students, they just make lots of noise when faced with a dude who might fight back]
I'm sure you'll be happy to document this for us. I'll be back later to check on the results of your research.
 

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The costs incurred by the protests (and vandalism) must be astronomical just considering all the cops being deployed on a nightly basis. Most of those cops are on overtime hours & for every window broken or police cruiser vandalized, someone will be footing the bill & it won't be the cops. Can Montreal's struggling economy survive? Can Quebec's?
 

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Can Montreal's struggling economy survive? Can Quebec's?
If it can survive the corruption in the construction industry, it can survive anything.
 

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As a McGill Faculty of Management graduate (this year), I can say that the VAST majority of BCOM students are wholly against the protest movement.
 

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I wonder if this will turn out like May 68. Change the names and it sounds like an exact descriptions:

"It began as a long series of student strikes that broke out at a number of universities and lycées in Paris, following confrontations with university administrators and the police. The de Gaulle administration's attempts to quell those strikes by police action only inflamed the situation further, leading to street battles with the police in the Latin Quarter."
-From ouiqui
 

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I'm sure you'll be happy to document this for us. I'll be back later to check on the results of your research.
It's a fact, no need for a research. If you read the papers, watched the news and spoke to some people around you who are in universities you would know this. Administration, medical/science, law, engineering and most other professional faculties are NOT on strike which means most bums out there destroying MTL's image on a nightly basis are from arts/history and other really usefull faculties. They don't care if their studies are delayed as they don't have a job waiting for them at the end of the line. They are a small but unfortunatly loud minority who have nothing to lose. That's why they are out at night causing chaos.
 

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Its not necessarily because they are lazy. People who study history, politics, etc. are more likely to be interested and involved in these kind of society events. Its what they are interested in. People in science like order so they can focus on their own things.

And I think the girls at Ouraffair are also on strike. They all vanished overnight!
 

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The students have lost, because they let their tuition hike protest get taken over by anarchists. And when you use the term "anarchist" in Montreal, it doesn't just mean "troublemaker." It means ANARCHIST in the true sense of the word.

Mount Royal Park monument defaced with anti-tuition hike message

Graffiti, garbage left behind at iconic Montreal monument

By Max Harrold, The Gazette May 21, 2012 3:02 PM

MONTREAL – The Sir George Etienne Cartier monument in Mount Royal Park was defaced with graffiti over the weekend, branded with profanity in bright red opposing tuition fee hikes.

“F - - - la hausse” and what appears to be “DTR crew” were scrawled on the base of the iconic statue along with a large red square, the symbol of the student protest movement during the 14-week strike by students opposed to the coming tuition fee hikes.
The message was scrawled directly above an engraved quotation from Cartier, a father of the Canadian Confederation, that reads: “We are of different races, not for strife but to work together for the common welfare.”

The damage was probably done over the weekend, and Outremont resident Elizabeth Taggard was shocked to see it when she went for a walk Monday morning with her 4-year-old son.

“I was appalled,” said Taggart. “I told him this is what happens when people don’t respect nature, and the mountain. They want to ruin it for others.”
She added that she is a regular to the mountain and goes there during the Sunday tam-tam gatherings. The graffiti and garbage left behind was not just from the tam-tam regulars, in her estimation.

“All the garbage cans are overturned and there are mountains of beer cartons, food, condoms and plastic strewn the entire length of Park Ave. on the grass from Mount Royal Ave. to the Fire Station.”

The monument, which is nearly a century old, was completely restored for $3 million from 2005 to 2008.

A city of Montreal spokesperson was not available Monday, a legal holiday, to say when city workers might clean up the mess.


 

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...are from arts/history...They don't care if their studies are delayed as they don't have a job waiting for them at the end of the line. They are a small but unfortunatly loud minority who have nothing to lose. That's why they are out at night causing chaos.

:rolleyes:,

"Though exact numbers weren't available, some estimates put the crowd at around 200,000. Many students carried signs and shouted slogans decrying the fee increase."

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20111110/quebec-students-stage-tuition-fee-strike-111110/

So you are saying that the 200,000 students who started this strike in Montreal are all from the "arts/history" fields? It's no wonder you refused to provide any proof of your poorly stereotyped view. Even if the estimates of the number of strikers are off, your view requires the presumption that all other students are just fine with the tuition increases. Anyone who ever went to college knows right off that nearly every student is very concerned with education costs regardless of their degree discipline or their future job prospects, which these days are shaky if not gloomy well beyond the two disciplines you belittle. Conclusion, your assertion is not credible.

The students have lost, because they let their tuition hike protest get taken over by anarchists.

Yeah, the danger of such a broad strike is the risk that the zealots get carried away and become the public face of the protest and poison the cause. It's happened many times and in that kind of case the entire movement can easily start down a losing road no matter how worthy. But saying they are anarchists is definitely over-reaching.

The above quotes show two serious risks of striking:

1. The zealots poison the cause with extreme self-defeating actions.

2. A portion of the public is predisposed to impose harsh stereotype brands on the participants thus magnifying the damaging perceptions.

I'm not saying the students are right or wrong. It does seem like the tuition hikes were needed from the little I've read. But these quotes are as bad for their stereotyping as the extremism of the zealots. Not that many of the acts by some students don't give you some cause to feel this way, but not to get carried away with broad and sometimes uninformed profiling.

Do behave,

Merlot
 

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So you are saying that the 200,000 students who started this strike in Montreal are all from the "arts/history" fields? It's no wonder you refused to provide any proof of your poorly stereotyped view.
Well put, Merlot. According to an article in the Gazette by Josh Freed, the strike is supported by the vast majority of students at the Francophone universities and CEGEPs and is being ignored by the majority of students at the Anglo ones. No wonder that most of the posters on this board are sneering at it.

Additionally, the strike is also not being observed by the overwhelming majority of students in graduate programs, be they at U de M, McGill, UQAM, or Concordia. In my non-hobby life, most of my Montreal friends are in graduate programs. While they almost universally support the strikers, they are not in a position to walk themselves.
 

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I'm sure you'll be happy to document this for us. I'll be back later to check on the results of your research.

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My first reaction is to ether tell you to go fornicate yourself for using that insolent tone with me, or perhaps asking you for a billing address so I know where to send the bill because like hell if I am going to do research to win some argument on the internet like some loser. Actually it is more the former. I hate being talked down to, especially when it is not deserved.

Sadly I am a bit of a loser. So on one point.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...unt-for-scabs-in-montreal-university-classes/

"A few men even grabbed two female students by the arm, telling them to get out. "

No mention in the article of them getting physical with male students.

Also
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/o...eeks-of-canada/article2437462/?service=mobile
They grabbed two female students by the arm and told them to get out.

As for the other point. I read this a long time ago in one of the major papers [which I will never find] as has at least one other person in the thread but because I am an utter loser schmuck with no life, and despite your offensive tone, I did some googling.

http://themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/1113
Indeed, the students with the most difficult areas of study (engineering, science, business) and consequently the greatest prospective financial return on their investment wanted to study but were prevented by the strikers.
http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worth...n.html?cid=6a00d83451688169e20168eadcf9c3970c
Only something like 35% of Quebec students are on strike*, and in a column in today's La Presse, Yves Boivert notes that those on strike are overwhelmingly from the arts and social sciences faculties; those in natural sciences, engineering, medicine, etc have all stayed in class and their session is ending normally. His argument is that since people in the arts and social sciences cannot expect the sort of salaries that students in other faculties will likely get, the tuition increase hurts them more, so it is to be expected that they will be more likely to object.

As for the arguement that 200K students can't all be artsies. Really. 1: It is the biggest of the departments at any university and 2: Of those 200K one must wonder how many are either high school students or non student supporters. If that 200K is accurate.
 

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A former Concordia student's opinion about the current student protests:
Hey, protesters: Griping won't pay education tab

By Ricky Leong ,Calgary Sun
First posted: Monday, May 21, 2012 08:37 PM MDT
Back when I was a student at Concordia University in Montreal between 1999 and 2002, the running joke among my friends was that Quebec police used more tear gas on demonstrators than anywhere else in Canada.

At the time, there’d been years of on-and-off student protests. I reported on more of them than I care to remember.
Watching the news about my home town lately, it seems some things never change.
A portion of Quebec’s university student body has decided to spill onto the streets of Montreal every night for a month now, where their gripes degenerate into violence before everything disappears behind bonfire smoke and clouds of tear gas.
The outrage is ostensibly over proposed hikes in school fees. Right now, a university undergraduate student in Quebec pay almost $3,000 annually in tuition and other costs.
The Quebec government is proposing to hike the cost by $375 every year for the next five years, bringing the bill to some $4,700 a year by 2016.
That sound you hear? It’s the collective groan of envious university students in Alberta and elsewhere in Canada, who are wondering what the fuss is.
Even after the hike, Quebec undergrad tuition would be a few hundred dollars under the Canadian average — almost $5,400 this school year according to Statistics Canada.
So pardon me if my level of sympathy just isn’t there.
Almost every summer, between the time I was old enough to work and my first job at a big daily newspaper, I worked full-time — sometimes more — to save money for school.
(Oh, the minimum wage was between $6 and $7 at the time. It’s almost $10 now.)
I had friends who held multiple jobs to make ends meet. No, it wasn’t the funnest way to get it done, but it did the trick and it was a real-life learning experience.
If the demonstrators were right, tuition fees in the rest of Canada should mean a big black hole for post-secondary education.
Not so: Just take a look around here for some thriving university and college campuses.
And despite low tuition, Quebec has some of the lowest post-secondary participation rates in the country.
There is something else at play and the most ardent of Quebec’s unhappy students are choosing not to find out what it is.
Meanwhile, the demonstrators are unwittingly hurting just the people they are trying to help.
Dozens of smaller businesses — the lifeblood of the economy, creating the jobs and tax revenues that would help pay for post-secondary education — have seen their revenues tapped as customers stay away. Some have even been direct victims of the violence.
Keep in mind, too, the vast majority of Quebec students are NOT demonstrating violently. They are quietly suffering as their spring session was eroded and their reputation, smashed.
Let’s get this straight: No one should be denied access to higher education because of their economic situation.
Many good jobs required some kind of post-secondary experience and education is certainly one way to better your lot in life.
There should be bursaries available to deserving top students, and loan programs accessible to everyone, with special provisions for the poorest of the poor.
And of course, you should do what you can to help finance your own education with seasonal or part-time work.
This should be true for all Canadian post-secondary students, not just in Quebec.
But here’s the other side of the coin: There will be a bill and someone will have to pay.
No amount of yelling and screaming will change that.
 

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It's the other way around pal. It's like your daddy rip you off of a 100 bucks when he used to take 50 from your pay so that he can sit on his lazy a$$ with a big pension while you work for him. And once he'll have everything he needs after wasting all the goodies... you get stuck with his big fuck!ng debts to pay.

You guys still haven't learn from the past.
What do you think happened after stupid old fart Trudeau brought in the Army with his puppet Bourassa in the 70's ?
They got whipped out by the parti Quebecois for years to come and almost got Canada divided !

I say go ahead and bring the army.
You'll get this on every news channel in the world.

Show how hypocrite this gov. has become and everyone will finally see just how much corruption there is.
Go ahead bring it on ! :eyebrows:

Well if quebec would become a province of his own, that would be a good thing... i wouldn't cry about loosing the english part of canada... like we say here it would be NANANANANA NANANANA HEY HEY HEY, GOOOOOOOD BYE !!! But i guess thats another issue. One thing for sure that the army is still NOT in the streets is because quebec is not a country of its own... cause im sure if Charest would be a bit more free, this shit would be over... but he can't do all he want now, Quebec sadly is still just a province.

Now i SOOO don't agree with what you say. The fees are still terribly lower than any other provinces, the reason why it all started was pretty much idiots, and even the governement made agreement to give something to the students, yet they remain cold and didn't want to give any freaking inch on the other side.


Scholarship fees are very low, be happy about it, or go study somwhere else, thats what i say to the original conflict.

But in any case, this is part beyond that, now its anarchy, chaos, even those virtual terrorist of Anonymous are getting involved, this is our streets getting trashed every nights, this is our stores getting destroyed for no reasons, our cars being damaged, our money getting on everything they screw up. Even our police are overhelm and are criticised for doing there job. You want my opinion? Let me guess... no but i give it anyway... they are still very too gently on them. Not to mention every candy sentence they get for all the trouble they cause... piss me off badly.
 

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I hate being talked down to, especially when it is not deserved.
And I hate blanket statements shot from the hip without so much as one shred of evidence.

Thanks for one shred. However, one isolated incident does not justify a blanket statement.

n a column in today's La Presse, Yves Boivert notes that those on strike are overwhelmingly from the arts and social sciences faculties; those in natural sciences, engineering, medicine, etc have all stayed in class and their session is ending normally. His argument is that since people in the arts and social sciences cannot expect the sort of salaries that students in other faculties will likely get, the tuition increase hurts them more, so it is to be expected that they will be more likely to object.
Did you read Boisvert's "column"? Didn't think so. Note that word "column." Columns contain opinions, not necessarily facts. I wonder on what "facts" Boisvert based his opinion. I wonder how many strikers he spoke with.
 

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Enough desinformation...

Here's the FACTS showing which faculties are still on stike. Now, the conclusion you can deduce from that it's yours. The list is taken from the CLASSÉ Internet site (in date of May 9th


Associations étudiantes universitaires

Concordia

Urban Planning Association (UPA)
School of Community and Public Affairs Students Association – Concordia (SCPASA)
Graduate students association (GSA)
Geography Undergraduates Student Society (GUSS)
Concordia Geography Graduates (GEOGRADS)

Université de Montréal

Regroupement des étudiants et étudiantes en sociologie de l’Université de Montréal (RÉÉSUM)
Association étudiante d’Histoire de l’Université de Montréal (AÉHUM)
Association étudiante des diplômés en histoire de l’Université de Montréal (AÉDDHUM) ¸¸
Association étudiante de science politique et philosophie de l’Université de Montréal (AESPEP-UdeM)
Association étudiante de science politique cycles supérieurs – Université de Montréal (AECSSPUM)
Association étudiante de littérature comparée de l’Université de Montréal (AELCUM)
Association d’étudiants du Département de littératures et de langues modernes de l’Université de Montréal (AÉDLLM)
Association des étudiants en Service social de l’Université de Montréal (AÉSSUM)
Association des étudiants en philosophie de l’Université de Montréal (ADÉPUM)
Association des étudiants en musique de l’Université de Montréal (AÉMUM)
Association des étudiants en Littératures de langue française de l’Université de Montréal (AELLFUM)
Association des étudiants en géographie de l’Université de Montréal (AEGUM)
Association des Étudiants en Études Est-Asiatiques de l’Université de Montréal (Asso-CETASE)
Association des étudiants du Département d’informatique et de recherche opérationnelle de l’Université de Montréal (AÉDIROUM)
Association des Étudiants des Cycles Supérieurs en Anthropologie de l’Université de Montréal (AECSAU)
Association des étudiants aux cycles supérieurs en études internationales – Université de Montréal (AECSEI)
Association des étudiantes et étudiants en Anthropologie de l’Université de Montréal (AÉÉAUM)
Association des étudiant-e-s en géographie, cycles supérieurs (AÉÉCSGUM)
Association des Cycles Supérieurs en Sociologie de l’Université de Montréal (ACSSUM)

Université Laval

Regroupement des étudiant-e-s en sociologie de l’Université Laval (RÉSUL
Mouvement des étudiantes et étudiants en service social de l’Université Laval (MESSUL)
Association Générale des Etudiantes et Etudiants Prégradués en Philosophie (AGEEPP-UL)
Association étudiante de théâtre – Université Laval (AGÉÉTUL)
Association étudiante de philosophie des cycles supérieurs de Université Laval (ACEP)
Association des physiciens de l’Université Laval (ADÉPUL)
Association des étudiants et étudiantes en histoire de l’Université Laval (AÉÉH-UL)
Association des étudiants et étudiantes en Anthropologie UL (AÉÉA)
Association des étudiants en arts plastiques – Université Laval (AsÉtAP)
Association des chercheurEs en sociologie de l’Université Laval (ACCES)
Association de création et étude littéraires de l’Université Laval (ACELUL)

UQTR

Philosophie (Philo – UQTR)

Université de Sherbrooke

Association générale des étudiantes et étudiants de la Faculté des lettres et sciences humaines – Université de Sherbrooke (AGEFLES
Association générale des étudiantes et des étudiants de maîtrise et de doctorat en lettres et communications de l’Université de Sherbrooke (AGEMDELCUS)

UQAM

Association facultaire étudiante en langues et communication – UQAM (AFELC-UQAM)
Association facultaire étudiante de science politique et droit (AFESPED-UQAM)
Association facultaire étudiante du secteur des sciences (AESS-UQAM)
Association facultaire des étudiants en sciences humaines (AFESH-UQAM)
Association facultaire des étudiants en arts (AFÉA-UQAM)
Association étudiante de l’unité de programme en animation et recherche culturelles de l’UQÀM (AEUPARC)
Association des cycles supérieurs en études urbaines (ADECSEUR)
 
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You forgot one : Association facultaire de l' UQAM: science de l'éducation... Yes the future teachers are on strike...
 
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