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ch19

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Just sharing my first encounter with failing screening and being rejected for an appointment by an agency. I was wondering if Merbites can help shedding some more light on my experience.

I visit Montreal not that often in the past 2 or 3 years, and have been sticking mostly with the 3 most popular agencies, one of them does not advertise here anymore. Never have any problem booking appointments. Out of curiosity, I wanted to see an SP A with a smaller agency that has been advertising her Merb credentials. I also asked about another SP B who seems interesting. Being a first time client with the agency, I was asked about my age and nationality which I replied. An appointment was set up with SP A and I was reminded to be nice and be a gentleman, which I thought was nice and shows that they really want to take care of their SPs. So I reassured them not to worry and gave them my Merb handle and thought it would put them at ease a bit. Half an hour later they told me that after checking my reviews they think SP B would be a better fit for me since B is more PSE and A is more GFE. I was in the mood to see A so I asked if it is still possible to see A, and the answer was a polite no. Can't say I was happy but then this is a consenting adults kind of deal, so I said no problem, and moved on.
 

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Just sharing my first encounter with failing screening and being rejected for an appointment by an agency. I was wondering if Merbites can help shedding some more light on my experience.

I visit Montreal not that often in the past 2 or 3 years, and have been sticking mostly with the 3 most popular agencies, one of them does not advertise here anymore. Never have any problem booking appointments. Out of curiosity, I wanted to see an SP A with a smaller agency that has been advertising her Merb credentials. I also asked about another SP B who seems interesting. Being a first time client with the agency, I was asked about my age and nationality which I replied. An appointment was set up with SP A and I was reminded to be nice and be a gentleman, which I thought was nice and shows that they really want to take care of their SPs. So I reassured them not to worry and gave them my Merb handle and thought it would put them at ease a bit. Half an hour later they told me that after checking my reviews they think SP B would be a better fit for me since B is more PSE and A is more GFE. I was in the mood to see A so I asked if it is still possible to see A, and the answer was a polite no. Can't say I was happy but then this is a consenting adults kind of deal, so I said no problem, and moved on.
It appears that you had an experience where you did not pass the screening process and were rejected for an appointment by an agency. While it may have been disappointing, it's important to understand that agencies prioritize the safety and comfort of both service providers and clients.

In this case, it seems that the agency conducted background checks, potentially by reviewing your reviews on Merb, to ensure a suitable match between you and the service provider. They determined that SP B would be a better fit for you as you expressed a preference for a more PSE experience, whereas SP A leaned towards a GFE experience. Despite your preference for SP A, the agency politely declined your request.

It's worth noting that agencies have their own screening processes and criteria in place to maintain a positive and safe environment for everyone involved. While things didn't work out as you had hoped, it's important to respect their decision and consider exploring other providers and agencies. There are plenty of options available where you may find a suitable match.

If you have any concerns or questions about the screening process or the agency's decision, it's best to communicate directly with them for further clarification. They may be able to provide additional insights into their decision-making process.

It's important to remember that open and respectful communication is key in these situations. It's also worth mentioning that agencies may have reservations about clients from specific platforms, like Merb, due to concerns about potential negative publicity. Service providers may become anxious as they strive to avoid receiving bad reviews, which can be detrimental to their business. Considering this, it might be advisable to avoid mentioning Merb in future interactions.
 

LC18

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Just sharing my first encounter with failing screening and being rejected for an appointment by an agency. I was wondering if Merbites can help shedding some more light on my experience.

I visit Montreal not that often in the past 2 or 3 years, and have been sticking mostly with the 3 most popular agencies, one of them does not advertise here anymore. Never have any problem booking appointments. Out of curiosity, I wanted to see an SP A with a smaller agency that has been advertising her Merb credentials. I also asked about another SP B who seems interesting. Being a first time client with the agency, I was asked about my age and nationality which I replied. An appointment was set up with SP A and I was reminded to be nice and be a gentleman, which I thought was nice and shows that they really want to take care of their SPs. So I reassured them not to worry and gave them my Merb handle and thought it would put them at ease a bit. Half an hour later they told me that after checking my reviews they think SP B would be a better fit for me since B is more PSE and A is more GFE. I was in the mood to see A so I asked if it is still possible to see A, and the answer was a polite no. Can't say I was happy but then this is a consenting adults kind of deal, so I said no problem, and moved on.

Ok so they read your reviews and thought B would be a better fit based on what you said or what you seemed to be seeking. They know the girls more than you do.

Maybe A read your reviews and wasn’t comfortable seeing you after that.

Edit: I read your reviews and I can see why someone wouldn’t want to see you based on them. They are very detailed, you’re mentioning what kind of actions they performed, what you talked about etc.
If they’re private, they definitely thought it was too much and decided to not see you.
 

Obvio-0bvio

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Definitely avoid mentioning MERB, even if you only write glowing reviews. I never realized this before but it seems some of the girls (and possibly entire agencies) really hate it. I guess at this point the best you can do is hope they didn't keep your MERB handle on file.
It is widely known that agencies and service providers have a negative perception of members from Merb. Regrettably, these members often demand a higher level of service or have higher expectations. Additionally, some members are excessively particular in their preferences, so agencies make an effort to avoid or selectively assign service providers whom they believe can deliver an exceptional experience to Merb members. Unfortunately, many service providers have had negative encounters with Merb members due to the unfortunate reality that some individuals misuse the privileges associated with being a member.
 

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Definitely avoid mentioning MERB, even if you only write glowing reviews. I never realized this before but it seems some of the girls (and possibly entire agencies) really hate it. I guess at this point the best you can do is hope they didn't keep your MERB handle on file.
Yeah, I have met a few who do not like getting reviewed and or MERB.
One SP mentioned she knew one of her reviewers and his review was bogus about his performance, I'll leave it at that.
 
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It is widely known that agencies and service providers have a negative perception of members from Merb.
That is true lately but its not always been the case. There was a time when Merb was "the hub" for all things related to escorting in Montreal. Good agencies wanted to be on it, and clients using it were regarded as safer and nicer.

During a brief moment i handled the advertisement (only advertisement, nothing else) of an SP and she specifically told me to only advertise on Merb and not on backpage (wich was the biggest classify ads website at the time but is now dead) because she had more trust in Merb.

Things changed tough over the years. I think Indies have a lot more "control" now when it comes to the online aspect. Onlyfans is a source of incomes for a lot of them (be it a side thing or main), the prices have skyrocketed as well (50% increase in just 2 years in general, sometimes 100% increase), and screening/deposits are now so much present compare to a few years ago where baside a reference, not much was ever asked. On the agencies side, the biggest agencies have gone so big that they always fully booked and don't really need Merb anymore, at least not as much as back then.

Now when it comes to this particular situation, its unfortunately that the client was judged based on reviews. I had a quick look myself and unless he removed some after this situation, i can't say his reviews are bad at all... I didn't check all of them or read it all in detail (and honestly i find odd a booker had such the time to do this) but what i seen seem fine? The fact he provided on his own his merb handle should be an indicator that the guy is safe? The agency mention SP B being a better fit than A, and that seem odd to me for 2 reasons.

The first is, its possible to enjoy different styles, in every sense of the term. I booked cuddling GFEs as well as raunchy PSEs over the years. I seen blondes, brunette, natural and enhanced. Im attracted to any races as well. Its true when i see a new "blonde bombshell Pamela Anderson in her prime" look who provide a more PSE service it may get me more curious and i may put her higher on the priority list or whatever, but that does not mean i won't have a good time and apreciate a cute natural brunette who does more of a GFE...

The second i think maybe the customer was simply bumped for another longer/repeating customer, or maybe the SP herself asked to not see someone from Merb ... Ch19 assume its related to screening or whatever but maybe its simply that they used a convenient excuse as a reason to cancel the meeting with SP A but SP B was still available.

All of this are factors we can only presume.
 

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That is true lately but its not always been the case. There was a time when Merb was "the hub" for all things related to escorting in Montreal. Good agencies wanted to be on it, and clients using it were regarded as safer and nicer.

During a brief moment i handled the advertisement (only advertisement, nothing else) of an SP and she specifically told me to only advertise on Merb and not on backpage (wich was the biggest classify ads website at the time but is now dead) because she had more trust in Merb.

Things changed tough over the years. I think Indies have a lot more "control" now when it comes to the online aspect. Onlyfans is a source of incomes for a lot of them (be it a side thing or main), the prices have skyrocketed as well (50% increase in just 2 years in general, sometimes 100% increase), and screening/deposits are now so much present compare to a few years ago where baside a reference, not much was ever asked. On the agencies side, the biggest agencies have gone so big that they always fully booked and don't really need Merb anymore, at least not as much as back then.

Now when it comes to this particular situation, its unfortunately that the client was judged based on reviews. I had a quick look myself and unless he removed some after this situation, i can't say his reviews are bad at all... I didn't check all of them or read it all in detail (and honestly i find odd a booker had such the time to do this) but what i seen seem fine? The fact he provided on his own his merb handle should be an indicator that the guy is safe? The agency mention SP B being a better fit than A, and that seem odd to me for 2 reasons.

The first is, its possible to enjoy different styles, in every sense of the term. I booked cuddling GFEs as well as raunchy PSEs over the years. I seen blondes, brunette, natural and enhanced. Im attracted to any races as well. Its true when i see a new "blonde bombshell Pamela Anderson in her prime" look who provide a more PSE service it may get me more curious and i may put her higher on the priority list or whatever, but that does not mean i won't have a good time and apreciate a cute natural brunette who does more of a GFE...

The second i think maybe the customer was simply bumped for another longer/repeating customer, or maybe the SP herself asked to not see someone from Merb ... Ch19 assume its related to screening or whatever but maybe its simply that they used a convenient excuse as a reason to cancel the meeting with SP A but SP B was still available.

All of this are factors we can only presume.
Your perspective is accurate, my friend, and I wholeheartedly agree. In the past, agency owners and service providers would eagerly seize the opportunity to spend time with members of Merb, recognizing the potential for a positive review to greatly benefit their business. However, it is disheartening to acknowledge that some members abused their privileged status within the community, resorting to blackmail when their desired level of service, such as GFE or PSE, was not met. Even the agency's booker would face unwarranted criticism from Merb members, who would leave negative reviews based solely on the driver's tardiness. As you rightly pointed out, agencies have their own loyal clientele, composed of respectable gentlemen who simply seek a professional transaction without expecting anything beyond that. Conversely, certain members would exploit their Merb membership, engaging in threatening behavior that left service providers feeling anxious and uncomfortable. Consequently, many service providers explicitly requested not to be assigned to Merb members,.Regrettably, numerous service providers and owners had their reputations tarnished by the actions of a few members.This is precisely why I choose not to disclose my Merb membership to anyone, ensuring that my encounters remain authentic and free from any undue pressure on the service providers to go above and beyond. It is crucial to experience their services in a natural manner, allowing for a fair and unbiased judgment of their capabilities.
 

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In the past, agency owners and service providers would eagerly seize the opportunity to spend time with members of Merb, recognizing the potential for a positive review to greatly benefit their business. However, it is disheartening to acknowledge that some members abused their privileged status within the community, Conversely, certain members would exploit their Merb membership, engaging in threatening behavior that left service providers feeling anxious and uncomfortable. Consequently, many service providers explicitly requested not to be assigned to Merb members,.Regrettably, numerous service providers and owners had their reputations tarnished by the actions of a few members.
I sadly heard a bit about this. I never been as "engaged" as some members are with each others. I mean i always been "known" on Merb but im not a regular enough to "go out with the boys" or have multiple girls booking with them and so on, but i did heard some words on this here and there. So i totally believe its true.

Personally i always tried myself to simply be honest and accurate. I never minded a 15 minutes delay. I would always say "its normally acceptable" for me. And i apreciated these years of outcall services. I also always tried to be as fair and honest in my reviews as i could. But that honesty also come with a price. I been accused to being a shill by some guys outside of merb, while some SPs really don't like me just because of said honesty (not nescessarely because of a review, but posts in general). Quite frankly i understand you can't please everyone in life, but i must admit i never been the person with the biggest social skills to say the least. Sometimes you can angry a person without even doing it on purpose. I don't actively try to bother anyone. But i just never was able to hide my feelings on the evolution of the business in recent years wich i have some reserves on.
 

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I sadly heard a bit about this. I never been as "engaged" as some members are with each others. I mean i always been "known" on Merb but im not a regular enough to "go out with the boys" or have multiple girls booking with them and so on, but i did heard some words on this here and there. So i totally believe its true.

Personally i always tried myself to simply be honest and accurate. I never minded a 15 minutes delay. I would always say "its normally acceptable" for me. And i apreciated these years of outcall services. I also always tried to be as fair and honest in my reviews as i could. But that honesty also come with a price. I been accused to being a shill by some guys outside of merb, while some SPs really don't like me just because of said honesty (not nescessarely because of a review, but posts in general). Quite frankly i understand you can't please everyone in life, but i must admit i never been the person with the biggest social skills to say the least. Sometimes you can angry a person without even doing it on purpose. I don't actively try to bother anyone. But i just never was able to hide my feelings on the evolution of the business in recent years wich i have some reserves on.
As long as you maintain honesty and exhibit gentlemanly conduct, there is no reason why you cannot express yourself in a respectful manner. Personally, I find great enjoyment and appreciation in all of your posts and reviews. Your integrity shines through in everything you contribute to Merb. You exemplify the qualities of an exemplary member who provides accurate and valuable information. It would be wonderful if other members could follow your steps instead of passing judgment on those who contribute significantly to this platform. Ironically, those who criticize you often fail to contribute any reviews themselves. They seem to be present solely to cause trouble, eagerly seizing upon the smallest mistake to create unnecessary problems within this community. I hold a great deal of respect for you as a member, and even back in the days, I thoroughly enjoyed all of your posts.
 

ch19

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Thank you for your thoughts, observations and comments. I was surprised that this agency I tried to use the first time canceled the appointment for one SP, and then tried to steer me to another one. I am sure they have their reasons but I am not sure if I will ever find out the exact reasons even if I try. This PSE vs GFE thing did not make sense and something just seemed off. I figure there are plenty other options and decided to just move on. Sometimes when things do not work out, the best thing to do is to just move on.
 

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Thank you for your thoughts, observations and comments. I was surprised that this agency I tried to use the first time canceled the appointment for one SP, and then tried to steer me to another one. I am sure they have their reasons but I am not sure if I will ever find out the exact reasons even if I try. This PSE vs GFE thing did not make sense and something just seemed off. I figure there are plenty other options and decided to just move on. Sometimes when things do not work out, the best thing to do is to just move on.
My friend, as I mentioned previously, it is inadvisable to disclose your merb membership and on top of it provide the agency with your merb username. By doing so, you give them ample time to conduct thorough investigations, scrutinize your posts, and form their own perception of you. As I mentioned earlier, agencies tend to have a negative view of merb members primarily because these members have high expectations of service providers. This could explain why the agency offered you a PSE experience, as it is a coveted desire among merb members who expect exceptional service, almost to the point where every encounter should be a PSE, even if the service provider only offers GFE. Unfortunately, some members abuse their merb affiliation, tarnishing the reputation for everyone. I can guarantee that if you had not mentioned your merb membership, you would have been assigned to the service provider you initially inquired from the start. This is the reality that most service providers and agency owners prefer to avoid when dealing with merb members, as the actions of a few bad apples have negatively impacted the reputation of the entire platform. I strongly urge you to take my advice and refrain from mentioning merb. With my extensive experience in this industry, I can confidently say that this advice is solid. I have interacted with numerous service providers who have expressed their dislike for clients associated with merb. This information comes directly from multiple service providers I have encountered and serves to confirm what I already knew.
 
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Unpopular opinion with some people...
(This isn't aimed at anyone in particular or anyone who has commented in this thread. It's a general statement)

Do I think there's a subset of Merb members who abuse of the "power" a website like this gives them? Yes.
(But in all fairness, the Mod and admin team have proven to be very responsive about safety concerns, so I have nothing but praise for their work.)

However, it's a recipe for abuse when one party can write or do whatever they wish in complete anonymity. You may not know our legal names but I'm not an anonymous person. What I say is tied to a person, not a complete ghost.

I've had 2 people refer to private chats/groups made up of Merb members. Both of them mentioned it specifically as an intimidation tactic, one of them in the context of harassment. Those are some of the people making providers suspicious.

I've been on the boards (Perb when I lived out west) on an off and was completely off perb for the last several years I lived there. We used to want reviews. I haven't hoped for reviews in a long time. I think after a couple of graphic reviews that make you feel deeply uncomfortable and violated, you see them quite differently. It's only logical.


My posting has never really been for advertising purposes although I know some people who look at the advertising section sometimes appreciate being able to quickly check my posting history to get more of an idea beyond just an ad or website. But I'm not, nor have I ever been the type of provider that the most active members/reviewers look for, which has been a positive rather than a negative thing in my view. I post what's on my mind and try to brush off (not always successfully) some of the disrespectful, dehumanizing and demeaning things that are written. Not going to lie though, it takes a toll.


I've hung out with groups of mostly or all men in my personal life. I've heard a lot of objectionable, misogynistic stuff but the fact that these were friends allowed me to clap back without fearing I'd be attacked or harassed. Knowing the in-person context and accountability that came with it, didn't make men feel emboldened to completely go beyond certain limits. The anonymity of a site like this, where many won't even take accountability for what they say online and act one way in person then turn around and anonymously trash or degrade women, makes some people go even beyond locker room talk mentality. All this while WE ARE HERE, reading things that make us feel unsafe and like targets.

You just have to take 2min to practice empathy and really ask yourself what it feels like to be in the other person's shoes to easily understand why many providers could be suspicious or concerned.

I know the majority lie about Merb. All I can do is hope they're decent people. Thank God most are. With that said, I won't refuse someone simply for disclosing their Merb membership and have a lot of respect for those who do, as I think it can be very useful. It's helped me in the past. After reading a person's reviews, I could see I didn't seem to fit their usual preferences or type, so I was able to be very upfront about it. They appreciated it and in some cases chose to see me with that knowledge and others chose to pass. This is to everyone's advantage.

But if you're hiding your membership and then go on to trash a provider, IMO you're being deceitful, duplicitous and you're really a shit person. Sorry if that's harsh but we're people. A review on merb is not like any review on yelp or Google and it's disingenuous to pretend that we should see it as such. You're talking about very personal and sensitive aspects of a real human being who has put themselves in a vulnerable position, only for you to trick them and abuse of the anonymity of the Internet to attack them. However you want to rationalize it, that is violating their consent. However you want to minimize it, the real effect is that it feels incredibly violating. I'm not even exaggerating when I say it can also he traumatizing.

If you don't plan on reviewing, don't write explicit accounts and don't trash providers, by all means keep your Merb status secret. But otherwise, it's reprehensible to not allow the provider the choice to see you or not (difference between informed consent vs. non consent) and there is no justification for it. If you won't take accountability for the reviews you've posted, and lie to separate yourself from what you've written, then that suggests there might be a problem with you. It also shows you're very aware you're tricking someone into consenting. That's no joke, even if you are getting away with it.

It's the decent thing to do to allow providers to make informed decisions for themselves and on who they choose to see. Let's not pretend otherwise. And let's be clear that using private chats or groups to intimidate providers because you don't like something they wrote or they're not your type is abusive, cowardly and deeply disturbing.

And if you can see this, it's your responsibility to call it out and police the way other members are behaving because guess what? We can't and you're the only ones in a position to. And when you don't, no only do you enable it but you become guilty by association, since we're unable to tell the difference thanks to the anonymity these people rely on.


Does it suck that someone may choose not to see you because of things you've written? I don't doubt that it must. Welcome to our world, the real world where people are accountable for their behaviour. Maybe there's nothing wrong with your behaviour but providers do deserve to make that call. You move on and that's all. But you get to know that you didn't resort to lying to obtain consent and the consent you obtained isn't based on fraud or deceit.

That's kind of what decent people aim for irl, it shouldn't be any different online. It's the bare basic way to treat another human being and you shouldn't be seeing any of us if you need to reminded or convinced that we are, indeed, human. When people behave in ways that intentionally or unintentionally make us feel unsafe, it's not surprising that some providers might not want to participate.

That's my 2 cents and I stand 100% behind it.
 
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LC18

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I don’t see what’s wrong with a simple Skype or FaceTime, if we don’t click then it’s ok. If the client gets offended because cannot hold a conversation via Skype well then sorry. I wish Indy SP would have a prescribing not based in LinkedIn and government ID but just I pay a fee of 50cad for screening by Skype or FaceTime so you can see my lovely puppy and that’s I’m not a weirdo, I’m just a person that values my privacy.

There are many independent providers that do not require government issued photo IDs or a link to your LinkedIn profile. Just find one.
 

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... This could explain why the agency offered you a PSE experience, as it is a coveted desire among merb members who expect exceptional service, almost to the point where every encounter should be a PSE, even if the service provider only offers GFE. ...

I don't consider PSE is at a higher service level or more desirable than GFE. Just two different styles. Personally I am not that much into PSE and have a strong preference for GFE.
 
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There are many independent providers that do not require government issued photo IDs or a link to your LinkedIn profile. Just find one.

The last independent provider I saw in Montreal did not require government issued photo IDs or LinkedIn profile. We traded some emails and then I gave her my Merb handle. She read my reviews and postings and was comfortable with setting up the appointment.
 

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I don't consider PSE is at a higher service level or more desirable than GFE. Just two different styles. Personally I am not that much into PSE and have a strong preference for GFE.
It is crucial to recognize the significant distinction between the Girlfriend Experience (GFE) and (PSE). The majority of GFE providers do not offer PSE encounters and firmly decline any requests for such services. To clarify my earlier statement, I simply meant to convey that members of the merb community have developed a strong expectation almost like PSE encounter during each interaction. Therefore, it is possible that the booker recommended a lady with expertise in PSE, as merb members generally anticipate a service that closely resembles the PSE. That is precisely what I was attempting to articulate.
 
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Unpopular opinion with some people...
(This isn't aimed at anyone in particular or anyone who has commented in this thread. It's a general statement)

Do I think there's a subset of Merb members who abuse of the "power" a website like this gives them? Yes.
(But in all fairness, the Mod and admin team have proven to be very responsive about safety concerns, so I have nothing but praise for their work.)

However, it's a recipe for abuse when one party can write or do whatever they wish in complete anonymity. You may not know our legal names but I'm not an anonymous person. What I say is tied to a person, not a complete ghost.

I've had 2 people refer to private chats/groups made up of Merb members. Both of them mentioned it specifically as an intimidation tactic, one of them in the context of harassment. Those are some of the people making providers suspicious.

I've been on the boards (Perb when I lived out west) on an off and was completely off perb for the last several years I lived there. We used to want reviews. I haven't hoped for reviews in a long time. I think after a couple of graphic reviews that make you feel deeply uncomfortable and violated, you see them quite differently. It's only logical.


My posting has never really been for advertising purposes although I know some people who look at the advertising section sometimes appreciate being able to quickly check my posting history to get more of an idea beyond just an ad or website. But I'm not, nor have I ever been the type of provider that the most active members/reviewers look for, which has been a positive rather than a negative thing in my view. I post what's on my mind and try to brush off (not always successfully) some of the disrespectful, dehumanizing and demeaning things that are written. Not going to lie though, it takes a toll.


I've hung out with groups of mostly or all men in my personal life. I've heard a lot of objectionable, misogynistic stuff but the fact that these were friends allowed me to clap back without fearing I'd be attacked or harassed. Knowing the in-person context and accountability that came with it, didn't make men feel emboldened to completely go beyond certain limits. The anonymity of a site like this, where many won't even take accountability for what they say online and act one way in person then turn around and anonymously trash or degrade women, makes some people go even beyond locker room talk mentality. All this while WE ARE HERE, reading things that make us feel unsafe and like targets.

You just have to take 2min to practice empathy and really ask yourself what it feels like to be in the other person's shoes to easily understand why many providers could be suspicious or concerned.

I know the majority lie about Merb. All I can do is hope they're decent people. Thank God most are. With that said, I won't refuse someone simply for disclosing their Merb membership and have a lot of respect for those who do, as I think it can be very useful. It's helped me in the past. After reading a person's reviews, I could see I didn't seem to fit their usual preferences or type, so I was able to be very upfront about it. They appreciated it and in some cases chose to see me with that knowledge and others chose to pass. This is to everyone's advantage.

But if you're hiding your membership and then go on to trash a provider, IMO you're being deceitful, duplicitous and you're really a shit person. Sorry if that's harsh but we're people. A review on merb is not like any review on yelp or Google and it's disingenuous to pretend that we should see it as such. You're talking about very personal and sensitive aspects of a real human being who has put themselves in a vulnerable position, only for you to trick them and abuse of the anonymity of the Internet to attack them. However you want to rationalize it, that is violating their consent. However you want to minimize it, the real effect is that it feels incredibly violating. I'm not even exaggerating when I say it can also he traumatizing.

If you don't plan on reviewing, don't write explicit accounts and don't trash providers, by all means keep your Merb status secret. But otherwise, it's reprehensible to not allow the provider the choice to see you or not (difference between informed consent vs. non consent) and there is no justification for it. If you won't take accountability for the reviews you've posted, and lie to separate yourself from what you've written, then that suggests there might be a problem with you. It also shows you're very aware you're tricking someone into consenting. That's no joke, even if you are getting away with it.

It's the decent thing to do to allow providers to make informed decisions for themselves and on who they choose to see. Let's not pretend otherwise. And let's be clear that using private chats or groups to intimidate providers because you don't like something they wrote or they're not your type is abusive, cowardly and deeply disturbing.

And if you can see this, it's your responsibility to call it out and police the way other members are behaving because guess what? We can't and you're the only ones in a position to. And when you don't, no only do you enable it but you become guilty by association, since we're unable to tell the difference thanks to the anonymity these people rely on.


Does it suck that someone may choose not to see you because of things you've written? I don't doubt that it must. Welcome to our world, the real world where people are accountable for their behaviour. Maybe there's nothing wrong with your behaviour but providers do deserve to make that call. You move on and that's all. But you get to know that you didn't resort to lying to obtain consent and the consent you obtained isn't based on fraud or deceit.

That's kind of what decent people aim for irl, it shouldn't be any different online. It's the bare basic way to treat another human being and you shouldn't be seeing any of us if you need to reminded or convinced that we are, indeed, human. When people behave in ways that intentionally or unintentionally make us feel unsafe, it's not surprising that some providers might not want to participate.

That's my 2 cents and I stand 100% behind it.
Thank you for sharing your perspective on this matter. I appreciate your openness and honesty in discussing the potential abuse of power within the Merb community. It is disheartening to hear that some individuals take advantage of the anonymity provided by online platforms to engage in behavior that is disrespectful, dehumanizing, and even intimidating towards providers. The fact that you have personally experienced instances of private chats or groups being used as intimidation tactics is deeply troubling and highlights the need for a safe and respectful environment. Your emphasis on transparency, accountability, and informed decision-making when it comes to reviews is absolutely valid. It is crucial for all community members to practice empathy and understanding, considering the impact of their words and actions on the well-being of providers. Let us work together to foster a community that values respect, consent, and the overall safety of all its members.
 
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Anna Bijou

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I don’t see what’s wrong with a simple Skype or FaceTime, if we don’t click then it’s ok. If the client gets offended because cannot hold a conversation via Skype well then sorry. I wish Indy SP would have a prescribing not based in LinkedIn and government ID but just I pay a fee of 50cad for screening by Skype or FaceTime so you can see my lovely puppy and that’s I’m not a weirdo, I’m just a person that values my privacy.

There are many indys who don't require id or LinkedIn. And some who are fine with a deposit, or references. There are all kinds of variations for screening, so the only thing you can do, is find someone you want to meet and whose screening you're ok with.

A conversation via Skype doesn't really do anything for screening. I mean, Ted Bundy is said to have been a very charming guy. And you can easily be recorded, which is an issue especially if we don't put our face on the internet. We also value our privacy. And I'm not sure how it would be worth getting ourselves ready like we do for an appointment for $50. It just doesn't make sense.

Every provider chooses the screening methods that make them feel the most comfortable. It's pointless to try to argue, the only thing to do is move on if you're not comfortable with those methods.

I don't mean this in a rude way but providers don't owe anyone a comfortable screening method. They choose it fully knowing that some people will not agree and that's something they're ok with. So it's kind of just getting yourself frustrated unnecessarily because... it is what it is. If Skype was a screening method they wanted to offer, they just would. xo
 

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Yeah, I have met a few who do not like getting reviewed and or MERB.
One SP mentioned she knew one of her reviewers and his review was bogus about his performance, I'll leave it at that.
How does the performance of the members relate to the service providers? As members, are we more interested in evaluating the performance of the individual member or the performance delivered by the service providers? The reviews and assessments provided by members regarding their own performance may not hold much relevance to us, as our primary focus is on the service providers themselves. I respectfully seek to understand your perspective. As long as the member has not provided misleading information about the service providers, that is all we are care about.What is the purpose of criticizing a member?
 
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How does the performance of the members relate to the service providers? As members, are we more interested in evaluating the performance of the individual member or the performance delivered by the service providers? The reviews and assessments provided by members regarding their own performance may not hold much relevance to us, as our primary focus is on the service providers themselves. I respectfully seek to understand your perspective. As long as the member has not provided misleading information about the service providers, that is all we are care about.What is the purpose of criticizing a member?


I get what you're saying but wouldn't it hurt his credibility to know he's lying right off the bat? How would you determine what's embellished and what's real?
 
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