Finding out a loved one is in the hobby...
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Analyzing this thread I realize that it seems everyone is against General Gonad even though there is logic in what he say’s. I can only conclude that members with a more conservative ideology get attacked by the predominate liberal membership. I would do a poll on conservative vs liberal, but then would be criticized by a liberal for wanting attention. My guess is 95% libs and 5% real men. Of course I do not know if GG is a conservative.
On this topic….I sure wish when I was going to college I could get laid by only women and get paid for it. You would not hear me complaining even if I had to be with the female version of GG.
On this topic….I sure wish when I was going to college I could get laid by only women and get paid for it. You would not hear me complaining even if I had to be with the female version of GG.
The posts that were deleted, though having the usual confrontational overtones, were relevant, one of which also provided the real life case of a woman's struggle after retiring from escorting. We lost something here. Instead of deleting, wouldn't it be appropriate to ask each poster to edit the confrontational language?Mod 5 said:
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Are we back on topic now?
I believe this thread was about finding out a family member was in the business. So we are clear, everyone has a different FEELING about it... now what comes next? What would you DO about it?
Thanks!
xoxox
Anik
I believe this thread was about finding out a family member was in the business. So we are clear, everyone has a different FEELING about it... now what comes next? What would you DO about it?
Thanks!
xoxox
Anik
Difficult topics often lead to corollary questions and to temporarily dodge the issue. My answer to your question is: "I don't know for sure" though I have an idea. If I have to blow a fuse (I think I wouldn't but let's just say) over discovering that my boy is gratifying men for money, I'd do my best not letting my emotions destroy the chances of opening a dialogue. This is about him, not me. So, my main concern as a father would be to know if he's OK and express my love and support. I would mainly listen and provide guidance where he and I see fit.Just-ass-weet said:
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Thanks, Zig, but with JAG having made most of the same points I made, my earlier post is moot. Seems JAG has the same problem seeing the "intrinsic beauty" in suffering that I do.Ziggy Montana said:
The probability of marrying someone we know, anyone, regardless of what that person does for a living - sellings bonds, fixing teeth, studying, doing diddly squat or Sp'ing - are certainly under 0.01%. The rarity expressed by GG is only a sub-category of the much larger category of "real life".traveller_76 said:
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Actually, though GG and I disagree on most everything up to and including the color of the sky, our politics, quite far left, are pretty much in agreement.beautydigger said:
I suppose you also believe that the media is liberal? BTW, there's no apostrophe is says and predominate is a verb, not an adjective.
rumpleforeskiin said:
If you are going to correct spelling, grammer, and typo''''''''''''''''s you have a lot of work to do. Or is it just selective.
Did you not understand my point?
Neither do I though I made a few attempts at experiencing extreme poverty during my student/activist years in South East Asia and South America. After only a short while of suffering hunger, dehydration and heat exhaustion, I was on the verge of commiting acts that would "normally" not cross my mind. I use the word "normallly" with extreme caution as I learned that my "normality" is privileged and fragile. In the different locations I've travelled through, what's considered "normal" is very different. If I were to go back and speak to Columbian or Vietnamese villagers of the "inner beauty" of their daily struggle, they would laugh their heads off.traveller_76 said:
In practically every movie starring Cate Blanchett.traveller_76 said:
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Just-ass-weet said:
As a few people have pointed out, there are lots of shades of grey here, so except to say that my reaction would definitely not be one of moral disapproval, the answer cannot be straightforward.
Other things being equal, if my child were turning tricks on St. Hubert Street for $20 and a chocolate bar or being trafficked by a street gang, I would be probably be quite distressed.
On the other hand, if she were dealing with a mid- to upscale clientele under reasonably well-controlled conditions, I would likely do no more than assure my self that she knew what she was getting into and that she had a good business plan.
Prostitution, under any circumstances, is not an easy lifestyle choice (for well-known reasons that need not be repeated here), but it is a legitimate choice. As long as it is a genuine or enlightened choice, then I don’t think I would have any problem with it.
Is this a simplistic attitude? Yes, very much so, but that doesn't make it any less valid. If your problem is that prostitution is is not an acceptable or respectable profession, then there is no point in having this discussion.
The Start of an Excellent Point
T76
You have touched on the key issue.What alot of posters are refering to is the Hollywood version of life as an SP, strip clubs etc. The reality is that certain areas and activities in Montreal are far removed from the Pretty Woman portrayal by Julia Roberts and Richard Gere.
traveller_76 said:
T76
You have touched on the key issue.What alot of posters are refering to is the Hollywood version of life as an SP, strip clubs etc. The reality is that certain areas and activities in Montreal are far removed from the Pretty Woman portrayal by Julia Roberts and Richard Gere.
I am not even into this hobby at the moment, yet I found myself driven back to this board by forces unknown. It's great seeing all the SPs and SP-users sharing their thoughts.
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The "mathmatical method" I gave in my other post simply meant that there should be a method to measure how "difficult" a job may or may not be. Otherwise, all jobs are "difficult" in their own ways. If let's say 80/100 of the females can be lawyers while only 20/100 made it as a SP. Then statistically speaking, SPing would be more difficult as a profession. If it was 20 versus 23 or something, then the difference would be too small to suggest one job is more difficult than the other, thus it would be inconclusive (The reason I didn't include actual numbers is because I don't know how many women can make it in either of the two profession in my example, I didn't mean to suggest one is harder than the other. I merely pointed out that there "should" be a method to measure (with some accuracy) the "difficulty" in certain jobs).
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I am not the authority on suffering, but about 2-3 years ago (if memory serves me), Nortel pulled a fast one over its investors (who remember that?). My familly lost a LOT of money on that. We almost had to close down a few of our business (due to the sudden lack of liquid asset). I was thinking of taking up some jobs that I would otherwise deem "unsuitable" or even "inadequate" for me (NO... it's not SPing or stripping, lol). I didn't. We borrowed money and solved that problem. From that, I can understand that a sudden change in environment (financial) can (and will) in some cases lead us to making decisions we don't usually make. Maybe leaving home at age 16 and struggling to stay in school CAN cause someone to be a SP. It's a survival tactics.
The concept that a certain job is "noble" or "more noble" than others is very relative. It's relative to the person speaking, to the his/her cultural background, and to the time period. A long time ago, weren't actors considered a somewhat "inferior" profession (compared to Soldiers, Merchants and Scholars)? The concept of what is "noble" is always changing. How is Britney Spears dancing half nake on national television "noble" in any light? I bet most people won't think of her as not "noble". In fact, many girls aspire to be like her. Back in the middle-ages, people would call her a whore (even now, some people still might. lol). What is "noble" should be based entirely on the reason someone's doing something. If I am "killing" for survival of my familly, that's "noble". If I am "whoring" for survival of my familly, how's that any different? Only because in our times, "whoring" in of itself is considered immoral? In more conservative countries, being in "the service business" is considered less "noble" (even today). Why do you think med school is full of chinese people (and jews)? Because most of people want to be Doctors and they don't consider other jobs to be equal. People all aspire to be what they THINK is "better" than others; and this thought is guided by cultural and generational differences.
I am sure GG believed that SPing isn't quite as noble as the old "Suffering with your head held high". I am also sure many would agree. But is that the eternal concept of "nobility"? In 20 years, maybe Escorting would be a program at McGill (under tourism?). Who know? As we stand now (as far as I can see on this board), most of us accept the existance of Escorts but not ALL of us think of it as the same as Doctors or Lawyers.
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If my beautiful fictional daughter is an escort, I would ask her to stop (not force, but ASK). Due to the RISK factor, and due to the fact that it's not necessary (I hope) for her. Also due to the stigma attached (sad, but you have to consider it). I am as liberal as I can be and YET... I still will try to prevent her from going down that road. There's nothing wrong with being a SP, but just because "there's nothing wrong" with something, it Does Not mean it's desirable. I think everyone agrees that there's nothing wrong at all with being poor or fat... but who the hell would WANT to be poor or fat (please use the objective test on this, I am sure some weirdo would "want" to do it just to make a point)?
--- To traveller_76:
The "mathmatical method" I gave in my other post simply meant that there should be a method to measure how "difficult" a job may or may not be. Otherwise, all jobs are "difficult" in their own ways. If let's say 80/100 of the females can be lawyers while only 20/100 made it as a SP. Then statistically speaking, SPing would be more difficult as a profession. If it was 20 versus 23 or something, then the difference would be too small to suggest one job is more difficult than the other, thus it would be inconclusive (The reason I didn't include actual numbers is because I don't know how many women can make it in either of the two profession in my example, I didn't mean to suggest one is harder than the other. I merely pointed out that there "should" be a method to measure (with some accuracy) the "difficulty" in certain jobs).
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I am not the authority on suffering, but about 2-3 years ago (if memory serves me), Nortel pulled a fast one over its investors (who remember that?). My familly lost a LOT of money on that. We almost had to close down a few of our business (due to the sudden lack of liquid asset). I was thinking of taking up some jobs that I would otherwise deem "unsuitable" or even "inadequate" for me (NO... it's not SPing or stripping, lol). I didn't. We borrowed money and solved that problem. From that, I can understand that a sudden change in environment (financial) can (and will) in some cases lead us to making decisions we don't usually make. Maybe leaving home at age 16 and struggling to stay in school CAN cause someone to be a SP. It's a survival tactics.
The concept that a certain job is "noble" or "more noble" than others is very relative. It's relative to the person speaking, to the his/her cultural background, and to the time period. A long time ago, weren't actors considered a somewhat "inferior" profession (compared to Soldiers, Merchants and Scholars)? The concept of what is "noble" is always changing. How is Britney Spears dancing half nake on national television "noble" in any light? I bet most people won't think of her as not "noble". In fact, many girls aspire to be like her. Back in the middle-ages, people would call her a whore (even now, some people still might. lol). What is "noble" should be based entirely on the reason someone's doing something. If I am "killing" for survival of my familly, that's "noble". If I am "whoring" for survival of my familly, how's that any different? Only because in our times, "whoring" in of itself is considered immoral? In more conservative countries, being in "the service business" is considered less "noble" (even today). Why do you think med school is full of chinese people (and jews)? Because most of people want to be Doctors and they don't consider other jobs to be equal. People all aspire to be what they THINK is "better" than others; and this thought is guided by cultural and generational differences.
I am sure GG believed that SPing isn't quite as noble as the old "Suffering with your head held high". I am also sure many would agree. But is that the eternal concept of "nobility"? In 20 years, maybe Escorting would be a program at McGill (under tourism?). Who know? As we stand now (as far as I can see on this board), most of us accept the existance of Escorts but not ALL of us think of it as the same as Doctors or Lawyers.
Back on Topic:
If my beautiful fictional daughter is an escort, I would ask her to stop (not force, but ASK). Due to the RISK factor, and due to the fact that it's not necessary (I hope) for her. Also due to the stigma attached (sad, but you have to consider it). I am as liberal as I can be and YET... I still will try to prevent her from going down that road. There's nothing wrong with being a SP, but just because "there's nothing wrong" with something, it Does Not mean it's desirable. I think everyone agrees that there's nothing wrong at all with being poor or fat... but who the hell would WANT to be poor or fat (please use the objective test on this, I am sure some weirdo would "want" to do it just to make a point)?
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GG>>> You speak often of the nobility in suffering. You talk about how much you know about suffering.
Have you ever truly suffered as per our society's standards? Have you ever wondered how long it takes to get evicted because you didn't have this months rent by the time it was due and had no idea where the money was going to come from? Have you ever gone with out eating, not because you were fasting but because you were broke and can only sponge of friends for so long? Have you ever wore out a hole in the sole of your only pair of shoes and wondered how the hell you were going fo find another pair? Maybe not as an adult, maybe as a child? Have you ever gotten a fist fight with a sibling over the last of the ______(bread, cereal, milk or whatever) while you mom was watching and crying because there was no money to buy more? Or were you ever that parent perhaps?
I am asking these specific questions because I have experienced them all. Tell me, what do you really know about suffering through poverty.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that sex work is available as a last resort to anyone who is desperate. Not everyone can do this kind of work for all sorts of reasons. I am just tired of hearing how those that do not go into sex work are some how better than us who do. Especially by someone who uses the services of sex workers as often as you do.
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Have you ever truly suffered as per our society's standards? Have you ever wondered how long it takes to get evicted because you didn't have this months rent by the time it was due and had no idea where the money was going to come from? Have you ever gone with out eating, not because you were fasting but because you were broke and can only sponge of friends for so long? Have you ever wore out a hole in the sole of your only pair of shoes and wondered how the hell you were going fo find another pair? Maybe not as an adult, maybe as a child? Have you ever gotten a fist fight with a sibling over the last of the ______(bread, cereal, milk or whatever) while you mom was watching and crying because there was no money to buy more? Or were you ever that parent perhaps?
I am asking these specific questions because I have experienced them all. Tell me, what do you really know about suffering through poverty.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that sex work is available as a last resort to anyone who is desperate. Not everyone can do this kind of work for all sorts of reasons. I am just tired of hearing how those that do not go into sex work are some how better than us who do. Especially by someone who uses the services of sex workers as often as you do.
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
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General Gonad said:
By the way my mother is a handicapped person living off welfare. ...and as for health, in my teens my asthma was so poorly controlled, one year I spent close to 200 days in the hospital. So please believe me when I say I know what I am talking about.
YOu cannot survive in this world without money. Yes, it does not bring happiness, on the other hand, lack of money can sure bring on depression.
You frequenty talk about the honor and nobility of those women who do not turn to prostitution in times of need. I am just sick and tired of hearing about it; so I guess yes I do have a chip.
By the way why don't you share with us how you know so much about struggle.
I am not posting this specifically to attack you. I am just tired of feeling attacked by some of the blanket statements you make.
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
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naughtylady said:
Utter bullshit! I have met poor, destitute, handicapped people that have more courage and happiness than any of us on these boards, including me. Despite their challenges, they manage to put a smile on their faces and they appreciate life a lot more than most "healthy" people.
You and most people out there associate poverty to depression. This is an empirically false statement. In any society, 10% of the population is depressed no matter what their socio-economic background.
naughtylady said:
Yeah, you do have a chip because you feel that I am attacking SPs for opting this way of life. I am not Ronnie. But I am also not going to bullshit any SP I meet who is having second thoughts. I've told many of them to get the fuck out and stay out.
GG
P.S. JAG, I am glad you volunteered for worthy causes...this is admirable. Now if you can only get off my back with your annoying condescending views. I am not too proud to seek help. I suffer from something that no psychoanalyst can help me with. If you ever bothered to meet me, you'd understand and trust me, I wouldn't wish any of you struggled the way I have lately...none of you. Ok Olie, now I can JUMP!
GG, just because someone has a smile on their face does not mean that they are smiling inside, or not suffering from depression. You would be surprised how many people 'manage to put a smile on their face' just so that others don't know how they feel inside or how bad their life really is. The person you meet who is smiling and happy today may be the same person who commits suicide tonight because they can't deal with life anymore. Never judge someone by their appearance...or by their smile.
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Mod 5,
My last posts were very respectful but you have to allow some us some leeway to vent. By deleting at will, you're taking away some very pertinent content. Please put them back.
GG
