Finding out a loved one is in the hobby...

[CoolAmadeus]

Yes, I am privileged to have that kind of relation with my daughter. There has never been a subject we avoided, and I have always been supportive of her, whatever she did or tried to do. This is why she doesn't fear telling me about this I guess. Communication is key to everything in my opinion, and she knows it.

I indulge in MPs only once in a while, not on a regular basis. I don't fear seeing her at an MP. Thank God! LOL

CA

 

[General Gonad]

I indulge in MPs only once in a while, not on a regular basis. I don't fear seeing her at an MP.

No but the thought of an Olie, a Flabio or worse, a General Gonad, meeting her should scare the living daylights out of you!

GG

 

[CoolAmadeus]

CA,

You really need to get a life! Seriously, I no longer romanticize about "falling in love" with any SP. It ain't going to happen. Addiction wanes once you stop bullshitting yourself and face reality. The boards are fun because I love getting under people's skin.

GG

Seeing how many posts you make per day, and at what time you make them (all over the 24 hours), I'm afraid you have no lessons to give to anyone in regards to getting a life! Like it or not, admit it or not, YOU ARE addicted.

 

[General Gonad]

My dad had a hunch. He admitted it to me some years ago over dinner, which stunned me. He had thought I might be escorting in the very beginning, but he never brought it up. If he had my life would be much different. He still doesn't know and I don't plan on ruining the rosy picture of me he's painted. I love him that much....

It is detrimental, but I too, like Anik, am a far stronger for the experience. I came out worse off, but in the years since that departure I've become 10 times better than I was going in. I grew from it I guess you could say.
If I had to live it all over again, I would, just for the knowledge I gained. Insights into the bigger picture.

JAG,

You know what I really love about you? You're the most honest SP on these boards. You love your dad so much that you want him to keep a rosy image of you. I love my wife so much that I want to protect her from my stupidity, my 'limbo' state as you so aptly put it.

Now, you came away worse off but you've become ten times better. Is that due to the hobby or because you've discovered something about yourself since you left?

Why do I do this? I honestly haven't figured it out but I know that it will not control me. I also do not regret this experience. It taught me a lot about others and about myself. It's been a journey of self-discovery and of discovering the good, the bad and the ugly in others.

I have serious issues with this hobby and more generally with the way our society commoditizes sex. Before calling my first SP, I was consuming porn. Instant sexual gratification much like ordering a hamburger with fries.

But these are not hamburgers and fries I am ordering but human beings and I never got comfortable with the idea of paying for sex. Call me an arrogant hypocrite but it's the honest truth. It has warped my value system and I hope that it will not cause irreparable harm to my relationships with my loved ones.

GG

P.S. I know you hate me, but I love it when you contribute.

 

[Mod 7]

The "All about GG" posts have been moved to a different thread, and has been closed.

Now that the discussion here has been cleaned - again - I`m reopening it.
Remember, it`s a discussion, not a Jerry Springer show! Please stay on topic.
Confrontations will result in suspensions. GG and others, please advise.

Thanks

M7

 

[naughtylady]

Reggie, are you kidding me here? You would be alright if your daughters were in an HDH indy position "as long as they were happy"? Come on, I don't believe that for a second. Moreover, the very fundamental problem is that all SPs get corrupted with the easy money, which is why this business flourishes. As they taste easy money, they forget about the value of hard work., For me it would be hypocritical to accept your daughter's choice, especially if you consumed ladies like we have. That is the height of hypocrisy, unless you believe in fairy tales.

As I have said many times, this is not easy work. Simple, yes, but not easy. SP put up with people most others can't. We have sex with people even if we are not attracted or 'not in the mood'. We make each and every one of our clients feel special (even the ones that aren't... if we are any good at what we do) Yes, we are actressses... and lovers, and friends, and psychotherapists to clients. We share our most private parts with total strangers. We listen to people's inner most secretes and personal problems. For these and many other reasons; Not everyone has what it takes to be an SP! So stop telling us that our work is easy!

By the way, I told my mom. I didn't want her to find out through anyone else. She told me she was dissapointed that I felt like this was my best option and that I was not doing something that she could brag about (the stigma around sex work hurts her) but she accepts what I do and supports me because she knows it is my choice and not her parenting skills. She worries about me getting hurt or becoming infected with HIV but she has always worried about me since I can remember. We are as close as ever.

Have you ever met an SP who left the business "less damaged" than when she entered it? Your "daughter-by-proxy" (sick to mention this given you paid to have sex with her), is one of many examples. Even the ones that think they're better off, are fooling themselves. But I do agree with you on one point: as long as we engage in this activity, we contribute to the potentially devastating effects. If you ignore this reality, you're really living in Fantasyland.

I am sorry you think I am fooling myself. I think I am honestly less damaged than when I started. For example: I make my limits now and insist on them. Before if I went on a date, some men were capable of convincing me of having sex without a condom, even if I really would have preferred he use one and they were available. Now, NEVER! I am graduating university with my BA, this is my last semester; something I never could have achieved had I not started SPing. I have a higher self-esteem than I ever have had before (a girl can get a lot of positive feedback in this business: Being told I am smart and intelligent and beautiful and... every time I go to work.) I applied to grad school with the encouragement of clients OK, and teachers also. The point is, I was afraid and didn't think I had it in me before.

Granted, on the negative side I am more blaze about sex than ever. Also, I am leary of men and think they see all women as possible sex partners before anything else. (Even if she is viewed as someone you'd never have sex with, you had to consider it before saying 'Yuck never!') I don't believe long term monogamy is likely in any relationship. And I think that spouses lie to eachother more than anyone. In some way I have become more cynical. I have been robbed a couple of times; then again most businesses get robbed once in a while.

I agree here but I will admit that it would bother me if my son were gay...period. I am being honest about this, not because I am homophobic, but because it wouldn't be easy for me to accept. Is this shallow? Yes, it is, but it's the truth. However, compound that with the incidence of STDs among the gay population, and it would really bother me if he was gay and SPing.

GG

This comment I found quite disturbing. Why should your son's choice of lover be a problem? To carry on the family's name? Your 'Y' gene? It woudn't be as if he woud be expecting you to participate in a homosexual act. As for the STD thing; it is not what you do but how you do it. Straight or gay, SP or not, condoms must be not negotiable. The STD rate is quite low among populations that always use condoms. So don't use the STD thing as an excuse. At least admit that is a homo-prejudiced reaction.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[metoo4]

I was waiting for Ronnie's reply! Well put as I expected! That lady really make sense IMHO.

 

[General Gonad]

Granted, on the negative side I am more blaze about sex than ever. Also, I am leary of men and think they see all women as possible sex partners before anything else. (Even if she is viewed as someone you'd never have sex with, you had to consider it before saying 'Yuck never!') I don't believe long term monogamy is likely in any relationship. And I think that spouses lie to each other more than anyone. In some way I have become more cynical.

Ronnie,

This is the saddest part of your profession and this hobby - it breeds cynicism. Many SPs told me they would never trust a man. I am not sure if this is because of SPing or if they were abused before getting into this line of work or both. One SP recently told me she doesn't see herself falling in love. I thought this was terrible because she'll never allow herself to experience one of the most beautiful things in life with her level of cynicism. Despite what I've done, I still believe in monogamous relationships.

As far as gays, I am not homophobic. I am, however, honest that it would bother me if my son was gay but I would not love him any less if this was the case. Gay men who prostitute themselves have a higher incidence of STIs. That is a well documented fact.

GG

P.S. t76, to quote Blaise Pascal, one of my favorites: "Contradiction is not a sign of falsity, nor the lack of contradiction a sign of truth."

 

[General Gonad]

On Man's fallen nature

A couple more quotes from Blaise Pascal to ponder:

"What a Chimera is man! What a novelty, a monster, a chaos, a contradiction, a prodigy! Judge of all things, an imbecile worm of the earth; depository of truth, and sewer of error and doubt; the glory and refuse of the universe. Who shall unravel this confusion?"

Quelle chimère est-ce donc que l'homme? quelle nouveauté, quel monstre, quel chaos, quel sujet de contradictions, quel prodige? Juge de toutes choses, imbécile ver de terre, dépositaire du vrai, cloaque d'incertitude et d'erreur, gloire et rebut de l'univers. Qui démêlera cet embrouillement?

"Man is only a disguise, a liar, a hypocrite, both to himself and to others."

GG

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

As long as we're tossing quotes around, here are a few from Blake:

The fox condemns the trap, not himself.

Prudence is a rich, ugly old maid courted by incapacity.

and who could ever forget:

the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.

 

[General Gonad]

Henry Miller's wisdom

Here are some excellent quotes from another one of my favorites:

"All growth is a leap in the dark, a spontaneous unpremeditated act without the benefit of experience."

"Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself."

"Every moment is a golden one for him who has the vision to recognize it as such."

"One's destination is never a place but rather a new way of looking at things."

"Our own physical body possesses a wisdom which we who inhabit the body lack."

The quote that t76 would appreciate:

"Living apart and at peace with myself, I came to realize more vividly the meaning of the doctrine of acceptance. To refrain from giving advice, to refrain from meddling in the affairs of others, to refrain, even though the motives be the highest, from tampering with another's way of life - so simple, yet so difficult for an active spirit. Hands off!"

And my absolute favorite:

"What does it matter how one comes by the truth so long as one pounces upon it and lives by it?"

 

[naughtylady]

Considering the naive honesty I came to this business with, a little cynicism can be viewed as a good thing. I am still too trusting.

Love and falling in love have nothing to do with the mind. You should know that. A person often falls in love with someone who they know they shouldn't. So I am not worried about this SP you are talking about.

As far as higher incidence of STIs among gay male prostitutes, I have two questions: Compared to who? and Where did the sample group come from? Like I said before it is not what we do but how we do it. My research shows that sex workers who consistently use condoms, do not have a higher incidence of STIs.

I still do not understand what it is about having a gay son that woud bother you... care to explain? If you are not prejudiced against gays, then what is it? Do you think being gay is immoral?

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[hopeless slut]

Sis is a Ho'

If they really love you they'll give you a discount!

 

[General Gonad]

As far as higher incidence of STIs among gay male prostitutes, I have two questions: Compared to who? and Where did the sample group come from? Like I said before it is not what we do but how we do it. My research shows that sex workers who consistently use condoms, do not have a higher incidence of STIs.

Absolutely false. I have put up a study in one of my STI threads from the CDC that clearly demonstrated the higher incidence of STIs among the gay male population in general and specifically with gay SPs. One of the main reasons is that they engage in unprotected sex and even when they use condoms, there is a higher risk of it tearing during anal intercourse.

The reason why it would bother me if I had a gay son is purely selfish. He would not carry on his duty to produce offspring. I also wouldn't be able to share with him all my crowning achievements in Hobbyland.

GG

 

[nueromagus]

Hmmmm...

My dad knows I see sps, I talk to him all the time about it.
He also knows I am a diabetic with ED, and he has ED himself, so I don't get the impression he is dissapointed with me or anything, maybe I'll ask him sometime.
I don't have kids, and having a daughter become an sp is probably one of the many reasons I am glad I don't.

 

[z/m(Ret)]

Here are some excellent quotes from another one of my favorites...

Here's one for you: "Whenever anybody says he's struggling to become a human being I have to laugh because the apes beat him to it by about a million years. Struggle to become a parrot or something.", Jack Handy

 

[General Gonad]

Ziggy,

Here is one for you:

"Eating everything you want is not that much fun. When you live a life with no boundaries, there’s less joy. If you can eat anything you want to, what’s the fun in eating anything you want to?"

Tom Hanks, Esquire, June 2006

Now go eat some pussy you ape man!

GG

 

[naughtylady]

Absolutely false. I have put up a study in one of my STI threads from the CDC that clearly demonstrated the higher incidence of STIs among the gay male population in general and specifically with gay SPs. One of the main reasons is that they engage in unprotected sex and even when they use condoms, there is a higher risk of it tearing during anal intercourse.

The reason why it would bother me if I had a gay son is purely selfish. He would not carry on his duty to produce offspring. I also wouldn't be able to share with him all my crowning achievements in Hobbyland.

GG

Can you please provide the link to this study. Yes the gay male population in general has a higher incidence in Canada and the USA. That is the population where the disease first broke outv in North America. Contrary to popular belief though, a significant % (I forget the exact #) of hustlers do not provide Greek services. I know some who only receive BJs! Other's who both give and receive BJ's but not Greek.

Also this is the first I hear of increased failure rates of condoms during anal sex, when used properly this means no air and plenty of lube. In Montreal, this is information is well known and well distributed. Many gay bars, bath houses and whatnot provide free condoms and lube.

It is for these reasons I would like to see this study, is this a new research, when was this study done? where was it done? how were the participants recruited? what about the control group? I need to know for personal reasons Not only gay men provide greek! Heck not all gay men provide greek...

By the way, woud you be just as upset to find out your dayghter was a lesbian? Be honest.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[z/m(Ret)]

now you start quoting philosopher to justify what you say?

Soon enough he'll be posting footnotes and index tables.

 

[Rook01]

My sister was never an SP but she was a Stripper. I was 17 back then when she left the house. It hurt me that she was a stripper. I lived with my parents and it was hell.

I checked in with my Sister now and then to make sure she was okay. I felt "Shame". What if my friends found out ? What if people found out ? What if my Relatives found out? I can't say what my parents felt. When I look back at it now, the reasons were all selfish. It was always what if so and so found out about my sister ?

After 2 years of this and I finished my cegep, I could no longer stand my family. It was hard enough to live with my father who was a controlling tyrannical dictator. I couldn't live with what my sister was doing for a living.

I just had enough and I called the recruiting station in Plattsburgh and met with the USMC Recruiter. One day in December I just left and never made contact with my Family or Friends for 4 years.

When I returned back to Montreal 4 years down the road, I made contact with my sister and thankfully she had stopped stripping. I see my parents now and then.

I don't blame my Sister for what she did. She was young, no experience, it was easy money and she wanted to make it out on her own. We don't talk about it or even mention it anymore. If anyone was to blame, it would be me for being weak and running away, for that matter being selfish and only caring about the "Shame" I felt.

What would you do ? I did what I thought was in my best interests. I made my own way and all consequences I have accepted. A person can say well, I would have done this and that, talk alot of shit and give a superior attitude. IMHO Unless you lived thru it, what you say don't count as anything for me. (that's just my opinion)