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quest said:
As the price remains the same or even go up for American hobbyists due to the exchange rates, the alternatives starts looking better. There's plenty of ladies visiting the U.S. now, and even more as the weather turn colder. I think it's fair to say that many of us are making fewer trips up north than a few years ago. I don't think it's because we like the hobby any less, but the chafe is tipping the scale towards staying in the U.S. We're a long way from $130 per hour and 1.50Can/1.00U.S.
Korbel, I hope no one is going into debt for the sake of having some fun in the hobby.
Maybe it will be easier to book Karyna now. Maybe not.

Hello Quest,

If you have read many posts over a long time you realize that hobbyists have gone into debt or increased their credit debt. I know some who have told me specifically.

Eleganza...lol...this seems to be the only agency who has almost nobody working when you call but is raising rates. Maybe they want the few lucky ones outside "the club", who can get a booking, to make up for the favored rates they give many inside "the club". Well, I don't know if any of that scenario is true, but it could make some sense. I just went to their schedule and it looks 75-80% RED (unavailable). So they are raising rates with hardly a lady there...bwahahahahaha.

Laughable,

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I don't understand how the US exchange rate is going up in Canada now? The US economy is in the toilet, yet today the USD is getting $1.10 CAD, the best rate since May 2007. What the heck is going on?


Since US economy is going down, there will be less demand for oil. This will bring the cost of oil down now and in the future, which in turn increase the value of US dollar with respect to Canadian dollar.
 

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When the unemployment rate goes up, it's almost axiomatic that the number of women choosing to escort as a means to earn an income or an additional income will increase. So supply/inventory will go up. Theoretically that should lead to prices staying the same or being driven down.

As the unemployment rate increases, the disposable income hobbyists have with which to hobby will also be less. Thus demand for escort services should also go down. This should also conspire to either stabilize prices or move them down.

As with other businesses, the escort industry will suffer if all the things KS postulates will actually happen (and I believe we are headed in that direction certainly here in the USA and probably in Canada).

Reasonable analysis. One factor that was ignored in the analysis is that hourly cost of seeing an SP is not entirely dependent on supply and demand. Most agency girls will only get 50-60% of hourly rate and remaining 40-50% is taken by the agency. With increasing inflation, agency costs will go up and it is less likely that rates are likely to change.

It will be hard times for the industry.
 

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Financial Crisis/ Recession, Impact on SP's/ Agencies/ Hobbiests

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I mentioned a couple years ago that it was my opinion that we would see an economic downturn that might rival the Great Depression. I called it "The Greater Depression". It's happening right before our eyes! Right now! Banks are failing, the Stock Market is on the cusp of an unprecedented breakdown and people are losing their jobs and homes in unprecedented numbers. This is not the end or the middle, it is the beginning! It is a financial Armageddon. The end of the American Dream. Infact, what has happened in the last 9 months is worse than I thought it would be and I did not anticipate the Fed's ludicrous and idiotic attempt to bail out the banks (which will not trickle down to save homeowners). The US dollar went up in value this last week. Why? Only God knows! Since the crisis began a year ago, the Fed has printed nearly 2 trillion dollars to bail out the banks and the economy. Do you think that by printing 2 trillion more dollars that this makes the dollar more valuable? hahahaha! Just wait until people begin to realize the gravity of the situation. Gold will soar and the dollar will plummet to unforseen depths! Get ready for the Greater Depression. It's here. It's now! By our government's carelessness we have mortgage and damaged our children's and grandchildren's future.

Signing off on this thread,

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I noticed this thread posted by an American hobbiest on another site today and it reminded me of a discussion that a good friend and I were having concerning the impact of the present financial crisis .

This is going to be very painful for many and virtually all of us have been and will be adversely impacted. There is not not going to be a quick bounce back and the repercussions are likely to be with us , for quite some time to come. If one thought that the U.S. government intervention to bail out the financial industry was going to bring a halt to the slide and pain, WRONG. At one time today the Canadian and U.S. markets were down over a 10% from Friday , 13 % in October alone and with the stock market decline of over 30% YTD. N o market sector was spared and the craziness and fear was evidenced by the fact that the price of gold increased by $47 dollars on the day, while the price of the shares of gold companies declined.The Canadian markets closed at their lowest in over 3 years and a one day record market decline with the TSE down 1200 points today at one point or approximately 11%. We are indeed in uncharted and unprecedented times. In retrospect there will be a new moniker for this drastic economic period .

It will likely be well into 2010 , at the earliest, and possibly be considerably longer before we may begin to see evidence of any economic turnaround, as the ripple of the U.S. housing crisis spreads out. Only in the last few weeks, has it become more evident that other economies i.e. Europe has begun to be seriously effected. In the U. S. itself, the housing crisis, as serious as it is, is the forerunner of an overall debt crisis. Evident over the next 3 mos. as U.S. based company financial reports are released, will be signifant increases in credit card and personal loan defaults. Discover ( Discover Card) recently released it's 3rd quarter results, which confirmed that credit card defaults have indeed increased significantly and will accelerate, based upon their forecasts and sharply increased provision for bad debts. U.s . Unemployment numbers have increased sharply in the past month and will continue to climb for sometime to come. Ontario itself has already experienced a tremendous job loss in the manufacturing sector ( not related to the U.S. housing crisis) and we won't be sheltered or immune from the impact of the events going on with our largest trading partner, nor Europe and the rest of the world.
There seems little doubt now that this is and will be the most significant adverse economic time in terms of degree of magnitude and length of time since the Great Depression.

Retailer forecasts for this Christmas season were already not promising and are now being further revised ( downward) as it becomes evident that those forecasts were over optomistic.

One would expect therefore, that it is only a matter of time, if it hasn't already started to become noticeable, before the escort industry too feels the spillover due to increasing unemployment, and significantly reduced wealth/ and money available for discretionary expenditures.

If you are an SP or Agency , have you yet been impacted or do you expect to be impacted. If so , what are you able to do or do you plan to do if your volume of business declines i.e. regular customers reduce their frequency of visits.

If you are a hobbiest, how has what has occured impacted your thinking with respect to your hobbying ? i.e. do you anticipate reducing your frequency to your favorite SP's , altered your thinking with respect to locating more reasonably priced SP's / agencies, etc.
 

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Its when the investment banks start to launch Collateralized Pussy Obligations (CPOs) that we will need to really start worrying. All of that loose available pussy can be packaged and sold as a security.

The market will collapse when it turns out that the collateralized pussy which stood behind the securities was actually worthless and then the pussy market will start to contract and only those with adequate resources and the best credits will have access to it.

It is an international market so the evolution of the Canadian to US dollar exchange rates will play a role as well.

When the market collapses the Fed will have no authority and incentive to bail it out so we'll all be stranded pussyless.
 

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The End of Capitalism?

Putting aside the effect current conditions have on the escort industry, there may be a much more serious situation we all could be facing.
The basis of the worlds economy was broken from the very start, it is not sustainable. Success comes from growth, which means increasing consumption. This increase in consumption is not linear but exponential.
So what happens when we have used up the resources that we need to sustain the growth in the world's economy? Is that whats happening now? If so we are facing the worst disaster the human race has ever seen.
So if it is not happening now, how far off can it be before we run out of resources?

And no, I am not a communist. Anyway that economic system already failed. Never took into account human nature and greed.
 
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That one has me puzzled as well given that the US has been printing money like crazy.

When Oil was $90 last year the dollar was at par. Guess it's momentum.

Dont want to burst your bubble but the US is not "printing money like crazy" in fact the amount of currency in circulation is only about $750 billion as of 2007 up from about $500 Billion in 2000. This amount or change is a drop in the bucket compared to national reserves or $10 Trillion or the economy as a whole.

Problem with the US is its deffict budget and deftcit trade balance requiring sale of treasury bonds i.e. increasing national debit.
 

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You should get your facts straight. Total currency in circulation as of 2007 was $750 Billion. There may have been a large increase in debt but not in the currency in circulation i.e. "Trillions of dollars printed"

Although you maybe correct in your conclusion, what you say to explain how you got there shows a real lack of economic knowledge. So doubt this is your idea.
 
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mass1965,

I don't want to burst YOUR bubble but I would not bet on those figures being accurate in the first place. Unless you also believe that the folks at Gitmo are gonna get a fair trial. Secondly you're only counting liquid cash and not the full "M1" monetary supply which is currently almost double your number (if you believe the Fed and I don't) or over $1.4Trillion. This represents nearly a 40% increase in unseasonally adjusted M1 the last decade alone (since 1998).

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mass1965,

I don't want to burst YOUR bubble but I would not bet on those figures being accurate in the first place. Unless you also believe that the folks at Gitmo are gonna get a fair trial. Secondly you're only counting liquid cash and not the full "M1" monetary supply which is currently almost double your number (if you believe the Fed and I don't) or over $1.4Trillion. This represents nearly a 40% increase in unseasonally adjusted M1 the last decade alone (since 1998).

BD

You should read more carefully. The reply was about printed money i.e. currency not M1. So dont be so smug about showing off "how much you know" by throughing around terms like M1 unless you read what you are replying to more carefully
As for your lack of trust well too many people are involved in calculating those numbers to keep any dishonesty a secret it would leak. As for the comparison to Gitmo well big difference and inane.
 

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The problem isnt the flow of money or money supply. The effective fed funds rate is already below target...its the willingless of banks and financial intermediaries to lend out and trade money with each other!! You can keep pumping money into the system but it doesn no good if there is no willingless to trade....this is a systematic problem and the US is in better condition than the rest of the world....europe is way behind the curve and has yet to ease rates....some of these banks in europe that are in trouble are bigger than their govt!!!

That is why there is a flight to the dollar! The euro is sinking like a stone in water....

The canadian markets should hold up better, they're banks are better capitalized and have been prudent in getting involved in riskier loans...
The problem is that a global recession which is already under way in Japan and Europe and many believe the US entered a recession is Feb this year will cause demand for commodities to decline....and Canadian dollar strength has been because of strength in commodity prices...which has reversed and commodities are falling like a stone in water also....

The business and volume of calls in the escort industry has fallen dramaticly since Sept. Most escorts at agencies are lucky to get 2 or 3 calls a night.
The smart ones work at mutiple agencies under different names...
The "stars" will still get their calls...but they dont book as fast as they did before...
Agencies are running specials....its not hard to find $160 outcalls.
We should see more muti hour specials as escorts will start pressuring the bookers to work....

This is a time to be conservative....those who think this market downturn is like the previous ones the past 20 years may be in for a rude awakeing....the "system" is broken....and attempts so far to fix it have not worked!!!


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The problem isnt the flow of money or money supply. The effective fed funds rate is already below target...its the willingless of banks and financial intermediaries to lend out and trade money with each other!! You can keep pumping money into the system but it doesn no good if there is no willingless to trade....this is a systematic problem and the US is in better condition than the rest of the world....europe is way behind the curve and has yet to ease rates....some of these banks in europe that are in trouble are bigger than their govt!!!

That is why there is a flight to the dollar! The euro is sinking like a stone in water....

The canadian markets should hold up better, they're banks are better capitalized and have been prudent in getting involved in riskier loans...
The problem is that a global recession which is already under way in Japan and Europe and many believe the US entered a recession is Feb this year will cause demand for commodities to decline....and Canadian dollar strength has been because of strength in commodity prices...which has reversed and commodities are falling like a stone in water also....

The business and volume of calls in the escort industry has fallen dramaticly since Sept. Most escorts at agencies are lucky to get 2 or 3 calls a night.
The smart ones work at mutiple agencies under different names...
The "stars" will still get their calls...but they dont book as fast as they did before...
Agencies are running specials....its not hard to find $160 outcalls.
We should see more muti hour specials as escorts will start pressuring the bookers to work....

This is a time to be conservative....those who think this market downturn is like the previous ones the past 20 years may be in for a rude awakeing....the "system" is broken....and attempts so far to fix it have not worked!!!


Banger

Agreed but to add. The Canadian dollar strength is also due to a balanced Gov budget and a net trade surplus, one of the main reasons the US dollar has weakened is the US Gov budget is in deficit and so is the US trade situation.
To fund this current big bailout the US is going to have to sell even more bonds that needed to fund the Gov plus private industry will need the foreign investment which will compete for money with the US Gov, but with the crises spreading will they be able to? If not....
As for the rising dollar, people are taking money out of stocks and putting it where they feel it is safe. However it may not be, due to the massive fed debt. At some point people will see the debt so high that they see investment in the dollar as not so safe.

I think the Escort industry may soon be in big trouble. Even the rich maybe worried about the safety of their money. Where do you put it? So if you look at basic human needs food, shelter and security trump sex so....

As for the "system" being broken, You maybe right. It might be our whole capitalist system has reached the breaking point. Our economic system is based on consumption. Taken to its end it is a failure, there are not infinite resources to sustain it. So what if we are at that end. Certainly when it comes to oil it could be. And it is not just energy that oil supplies. It is in almost everything we buy, consider packaging, most appliances, cars (plastic), drugs, e.g. in fact it would be hard to come up with something that doesn't involve oil.
 
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Yes, I've noticed alot of "specials" from many agencies at $160.

I've also notice alot of so callled "indies" going back to agencies or doing both, I think the market shrank incredibly for the $200-$250 an hour rates.

I think the demand for escorts have been slowing due to the current situation of the economy and markets.

TSX down almost 40% from its high along with Dow Jones etc.. if you had 1 million in an all equity portfolio it would be worth 600-650K from its high.

Makes you wanna think twice about spending...

If we see one "prominent agency" drops its rates to 160 to attract more of the diminshed market might be that others will follow.

I think girls will flock to the agencies who offer the most business even if they have to get $20 less.

All in all, the winners will be the ones who can continue to afford to see escorts in this existing enviroment at possible future lowered rates.

I think that if business was really good amongst agencies we would not be seeing these 160 specials from much of the agencies out there. It didnt exist 6 months ago....

Time will tell if we see a downward price trend.
 
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Retirement accounts have lost $2 trillion

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WASHINGTON - Americans' retirement plans have lost as much as $2 trillion in the past 15 months, Congress' top budget analyst estimated Tuesday. The upheaval that has engulfed the financial industry and sent the stock market plummeting is devastating workers' savings, forcing people to hold off on major purchases and consider delaying their retirement, said Peter Orszag, the head of the Congressional Budget Office.
 

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kill_shill said:
Yes, I've noticed alot of "specials" from many agencies at $160.

I've also notice alot of so callled "indies" going back to agencies or doing both, I think the market shrank incredibly for the $200-$250 an hour rates.

I think the demand for escorts have been slowing due to the current situation of the economy and markets.

TSX down almost 40% from its high along with Dow Jones etc.. if you had 1 million in an all equity portfolio it would be worth 600-650K from its high.

Makes you wanna think twice about spending...

If we see one "prominent agency" drops its rates to 160 to attract more of the diminshed market might be that others will follow.

I think girls will flock to the agencies who offer the most business even if they have to get $20 less.

All in all, the winners will be the ones who can continue to afford to see escorts in this existing enviroment at possible future lowered rates.

I think that if business was really good amongst agencies we would not be seeing these 160 specials from much of the agencies out there. It didnt exist 6 months ago....

Time will tell if we see a downward price trend.

However, the thing I worry about is that some escorts may be inclined to do risky things to get or keep business.:eek:
 

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Mass1965, I didn't think that mentioning "M1" was "showing off". This is first year university basics for any business student. Now "M2" on the other hand, now THAT would be showing off... :)

If I really wanted to show off, I would tell you that I converted all my USD investments to Euros in 2004, and used those Euros to buy mostly gold and oil in 2006 and cashed those investments to buy distressed US properties in 2008. But I won't tell you that because I don't want to show off. And, I definitely won't tell you that I've been shorting the pants off the US banking and financial services companies, not to mention tech stocks for the last 12 weeks like it's going out of style!

BD
 

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Kill Shill,

I have a couple of IRAs with Vanguard. The monetary value of both have been in a downward spiral for a year and half now. I actually had a conversation with my financial guy about withdrawing the money and paying the 10% early withdrawal penalty. Since then, my IRA has gone down by more than 10%. I am being told by my financial advisor that early withdrawal is a panic move. All I know is the numbers. And the numbers are down more than 10% since he told me not to withdraw. Of course, if I withdraw all that money, I am not sure what I would do with it. I could put it in an FDIC insured bank account. At least that way I will have insurance that it will not go to 0 as seems to possibly be the case with keeping it in an IRA. When will it hit rock bottom? Will anything be left?
 

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The Great Depression

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Kill Shill,

I have a couple of IRAs with Vanguard. The monetary value of both have been in a downward spiral for a year and half now. I actually had a conversation with my financial guy about withdrawing the money and paying the 10% early withdrawal penalty. Since then, my IRA has gone down by more than 10%. I am being told by my financial advisor that early withdrawal is a panic move. All I know is the numbers. And the numbers are down more than 10% since he told me not to withdraw. Of course, if I withdraw all that money, I am not sure what I would do with it. I could put it in an FDIC insured bank account. At least that way I will have insurance that it will not go to 0 as seems to possibly be the case with keeping it in an IRA. When will it hit rock bottom? Will anything be left?

Eager Beaver (The great Deprression)

In 1929

Stock market was at 350

By 1933 it had dropped to 50

The next time the market hit the high of 350 was in 1954 almost 25 years after its high.

Your IRA if in 100% equity can evaporate 75%- 80% from it high in the worst condition and not breakeven for the next 20 to 25 years.

This would put the dow Jones at about 3000 to 4000 from its current 9 500 off the high of 14 150

and S&P 500 at about 300 to 400 from its current 960 off the high of 1550

All data currently in place is showing that this can and could happen the comparison to the situation then and now is fuckn scary!!!

God help us all!!!!
 
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Kill Shill,

My life expectancy is probably another 35 years or so based on mortality tables for white males, but I would like to retire in another 15-20 years. So the question is should I pull the money out now, and if so, where do I dump it?
 

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EB -- I don't know how old you are, but if you are not planning to retire in the next 10 years, I would leave it alone. In the long run, the contributions you make now and the next couple years should turn out to be the most profitable. IF you are planning to retire in the next 10 years my humble advice would be to take 50% of it out right now and put it into the best 1-year guaranteed term deposit you can find. You will lock in your money at a low interest rate and then see what the landscape is like a year from now. Worse case scenario, everything will bounce back quickly and you will feel stupid for panicking (and losing your gains plus the extra fees) but you will be guaranteed to not lose anymore money (on the CD portion) in the next 12 months. If things stay in the tank, or go deeper, you can buy back in later. By leaving half, or some other percentage in the IRA you're basically hedging against/with the market.

Other people will probably give you different adice.... To each their own.

Look where wisdom has gotten folks in general!

BD
 
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