Grandma Gets Tazed!
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Ya, the sherriff agreed that the tazing was justified.
People don't seem to realize, signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, just that you acknowledge receiving the ticket.
PS. Fox 7 Kari Bellacosa is hot!
People don't seem to realize, signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, just that you acknowledge receiving the ticket.
PS. Fox 7 Kari Bellacosa is hot!
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Police cannot handle a 72 year old woman without a tazer! Boy they sure make me feel safe! NOT!
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
The old bitch asked for it and got it.
Plus she was cursing at the officer. Doing that in many states is Disorderly conduct in itself. She was stupid. If she minded her business and cooperated and the officer used the taser on her, then she would have been justified in her complaint.
Plus she was cursing at the officer. Doing that in many states is Disorderly conduct in itself. She was stupid. If she minded her business and cooperated and the officer used the taser on her, then she would have been justified in her complaint.
Risk killing someone because they curse????
Hi
How would you like it if your kids got tasered at school for cursing at a teacher, or another classmate?
I think they lost the idea of reasonable force, being tasered is very very painful and also dangerous in case of some common health conditions.
Tasers should be banned as cruel and unusual punishment, period.
At least when they use their guns they have to think twice about the consequences.
Hi
How would you like it if your kids got tasered at school for cursing at a teacher, or another classmate?
I think they lost the idea of reasonable force, being tasered is very very painful and also dangerous in case of some common health conditions.
Tasers should be banned as cruel and unusual punishment, period.
At least when they use their guns they have to think twice about the consequences.
The cop showed way more restraint than i would ever had! Just because she's 72 is no excuse for her disobedience which eventually led to her being tasered. She asked for it!
(i spoke with a cop yesterday about tasers & he told me that people don't realize there's less voltage in a taser gun than there is in a battery children sometimes stick on the tip of their tongues....i can't say for sure this is true or not.)
(i spoke with a cop yesterday about tasers & he told me that people don't realize there's less voltage in a taser gun than there is in a battery children sometimes stick on the tip of their tongues....i can't say for sure this is true or not.)
Might have used a bit of discretion
There is no doubt that she was being uncooperative and as such was breaking the law. Her transgression moved out of the Highway Traffic Act and into the criminal code. Just a couple of things, though. The officer might have handled it a bit differently.
There is no question that police officers must have the psychological imperative in any situation to avoid it escalating. Using a firm voice is required. Screaming with impotent rage is questionable as a tactic. Invite her first to discuss this out of the way of traffic and if she refuses to comply then grab her arms and forcefully steer her.
Second, inform her that because of her lack of compliance she will be arrested. Order her to turn around and present her hands. If she refuses, there is no question that he could have subdued her by force by pushing her to the ground and pinning her. Standing two feet away with your hand on your taser with a 72 year old lady is a bit of a ridiculous spectacle. These stun guns are practical when faced by non-compliance by some 250 lb ex-con refusing to comply but perhaps a bit of overkill in this case. Though I suppose technically the officer was on solid ground, the optics here were almost comical both because of the size and gender differential and serious because of the fact of the danger of taser guns being such a contentious issue right now.
There is no doubt that she was being uncooperative and as such was breaking the law. Her transgression moved out of the Highway Traffic Act and into the criminal code. Just a couple of things, though. The officer might have handled it a bit differently.
There is no question that police officers must have the psychological imperative in any situation to avoid it escalating. Using a firm voice is required. Screaming with impotent rage is questionable as a tactic. Invite her first to discuss this out of the way of traffic and if she refuses to comply then grab her arms and forcefully steer her.
Second, inform her that because of her lack of compliance she will be arrested. Order her to turn around and present her hands. If she refuses, there is no question that he could have subdued her by force by pushing her to the ground and pinning her. Standing two feet away with your hand on your taser with a 72 year old lady is a bit of a ridiculous spectacle. These stun guns are practical when faced by non-compliance by some 250 lb ex-con refusing to comply but perhaps a bit of overkill in this case. Though I suppose technically the officer was on solid ground, the optics here were almost comical both because of the size and gender differential and serious because of the fact of the danger of taser guns being such a contentious issue right now.
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I find this ridiculous, the officer look like the biggest fag ever... I mean i didn't saw the video, but exept if the grandma had a gun, there is no way to use such things. She is 72...do you think she will start running and get away? Or give a beating to the poor officer? Seriously if he must arrest her, simply turn her around and put the metal brace, thats it.
With a slight variation
Actually Doc, the voltage he is describing is considerably stronger. By way of a simple demonstration just head out to the department store and buy one of those little battery powered fly swatters. It is run by 2 AA batteries. Now you can hook up those two AA batteries in series and run a wire from each end. Touch then together to run across your fingertip and you wont feel a thing. In fact you might also try to complete the circuit with your tongue and barely feel it. But install them into the fly swatter then insert your finger into the fly swatter and it is quite a different matter. That smarts, big time. The snap crackle and pop will also startle you. It is amazing what a simple inexpensive capacitor can do to ramp up the juice.
Doc Holliday said:
Actually Doc, the voltage he is describing is considerably stronger. By way of a simple demonstration just head out to the department store and buy one of those little battery powered fly swatters. It is run by 2 AA batteries. Now you can hook up those two AA batteries in series and run a wire from each end. Touch then together to run across your fingertip and you wont feel a thing. In fact you might also try to complete the circuit with your tongue and barely feel it. But install them into the fly swatter then insert your finger into the fly swatter and it is quite a different matter. That smarts, big time. The snap crackle and pop will also startle you. It is amazing what a simple inexpensive capacitor can do to ramp up the juice.
up to 50,000 volts in a taser gun vs a 9 volts battery. The old woman was wrong but look at the size of that cop 1 hand was enough to control the ladyDoc Holliday said:
Was the officer justified according to the law? Maybe he was but this just doesn't look right to me. A 6Ft 250 LB man has to tase a 72 year old infirm woman? I do think that he could have dug deeper into his repetoire of effective trechniques to defuse the situation. Screaming into the face of someone who is upset was his first mistake.
On another note, why is a signature mandatory? Couldn't he just have written on the ticket "she refused to sign" and initialed it. She will still have to pay the ticket regardless if she signed or not.
On another note, why is a signature mandatory? Couldn't he just have written on the ticket "she refused to sign" and initialed it. She will still have to pay the ticket regardless if she signed or not.
Doc Holliday said:
Hello Doc,
I agree that if a person of any age is behaving in a way that requires the use of a taser then it should be considered as well as any other necessary option, regardless of age. But, I don't see it here. Where are the conditions that would require the use of the taser? Where was the threat? Did she have a weapon? No. Was she a physical threat? Considering the size difference, no. Was she being irrational, rude, argumentative, and foolish? Yes! A real threat, definitely not. If I tasered all those I had to deal with by the same standards as this officer I would be using up a large amount of batteries.
The Police department said the officer's use of the taser allowed him to control the woman and protect both from the danger of the traffic. So would have taking her forcefully aside and cuffing her. Cuff's would not risk the death of the aged woman by a taser, which can cause the heart to beat out of control, as the use of a taser may have caused the death of a 15 year old in March of this year.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/03/24-8
Regardless, I don't see where this option was the better and safer choice...at the time.
Cheers,
Merlot
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I'm surprising myself by saying yes. If he had tried other means to subdue her it could have ended much worse. If she had resisted, she could have fallen into traffic and been killed or the officer could have been.
But I also think that the cop let the situation get way out of hand in the first place to the point where he had no choice.
Might not be a bad idea considering the total lack of respect kids have for teachers these days.
And I would gladly let Keri demonstrate a tazer on me if she gave me a reward after.
But I also think that the cop let the situation get way out of hand in the first place to the point where he had no choice.
fb1807 said:
Might not be a bad idea considering the total lack of respect kids have for teachers these days.
And I would gladly let Keri demonstrate a tazer on me if she gave me a reward after.
Ariane Valmont said:
Actually you're right. We should just let everyone run wild in society and do nothing about it. Considering that kids aren't even allowed to fail a grade in school these days, or even marked on their grammar when handing in reports, because it might damage their little egos, I figure in about 15 years we will have a bunch of illiterate, disrespectful idiots on the job market. I hope that there are going to be enough mcjobs to keep them employed.
Techman said:Actually you're right. We should just let everyone run wild in society and do nothing about it. Considering that kids aren't even allowed to fail a grade in school these days, or even marked on their grammar when handing in reports, because it might damage their little egos, I figure in about 15 years we will have a bunch of illiterate, disrespectful idiots on the job market. I hope that there are going to be enough mcjobs to keep them employed.
Darling, there is a world of possibilities between tazing vulnerable people and letting everyone run wild.
Techman said:Actually you're right. We should just let everyone run wild in society and do nothing about it. Considering that kids aren't even allowed to fail a grade in school these days, or even marked on their grammar when handing in reports, because it might damage their little egos, I figure in about 15 years we will have a bunch of illiterate, disrespectful idiots on the job market. I hope that there are going to be enough mcjobs to keep them employed.
No question that our society is quickly losing its ability to keep order in several important respects. It is unfortunate that there are cases where there must be a bottom line, ie: the use of force. Whenever there is a use of force it is always under intense scrutiny and criticism by those misguided citizens who take the position that the use of force is never called for, period. This has given rise to a concern for litigation by anyone in the service of the public.
In education at one time there were two tenets which protected the teacher when confronted by the "bottom line" ie, a student who has failed to respond to reason. These were, the "in loco parentis" (in the place of the parent) clause and the "right and reasonable use of force" clause. Though the courts today sometimes do recognize these when litigation is taken against a teacher, they are swiftly being challenged by the more liberal elements of our society. Today no teacher in his/her right mind would dare to rely on them. The accepted practise today is that if a child goes on a rampage, throwing chairs through windows, overturning desks etc., the teacher is simply to shepherd the other children out of the room and let the child continue until some remedy is found. A teacher dare not even pat a child on the head today. Sound extreme?
One publication you might find good reading is the publication of the Ontario College of Teachers magazine "Professionally Speaking", (available online) the blue pages at the back. It gives a better idea of just how extreme it can get. I was talking to a teacher i met casually and he related a couple of real horror stories I might find there. I must confess I found them to be unbelievable.
You mention that kids lack respect. Many teachers today would simply settle for getting "deference" from the kids. And of course there are several other new wrinkles on the academic end of it (failing grades) thanks to our very vocal and misguided left wing idealists. So it goes.
granny should no better at her age how to behave in that situation instead of "using" her age as an "excuse" ......... she was warned 5 times!........ i am not for punishment but she got what she asked for, and its got nothing to do with her age, it has got to do with the way people are brought up these days..... the guy who said "would you like your kids to get tasered if they swore at a teacher?", well....... do you think they would curse at a teacher again if they did get tased???? .......
the reason so many mids turn out to be criminals is because of bad parents or lack of parents in general..... in the last case its not the kids fault, but to many parents dont even deserve children the way they treat and bring them up, i see it every week in the biz i am in and its pathetic, the parents need the taser more than granny or kids
the reason so many mids turn out to be criminals is because of bad parents or lack of parents in general..... in the last case its not the kids fault, but to many parents dont even deserve children the way they treat and bring them up, i see it every week in the biz i am in and its pathetic, the parents need the taser more than granny or kids
What do you expect if cops can kicked and beat an unconscious suspect (Alabama cops)they can also taze a 72 year old ladyAriane Valmont said:
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