Greatest coach's or GM any sports all time ?

[BookerL]

Hi all
In hockey Scotty Bowman has won the Stanley Cup nine times has a coach ,pretty impressive .
With Montreal , Pittsburgh and Detroit and others in different roles !
Cheers
BookerL

 

[BookerL]

Hi all
What about Phil Jackson and his 11× NBA champion (1991–1993, 1996–1998, 2000–2002, 2009–2010)

Cheers

BookerL

 

[november]

Every sport has their greatest coach or GM, It is hard to pick just one.

 

[simonpaul]

Sam Pollock built a real dynasty with the Habs.

 

[Merlot]

BOYZ,

Best GM & Coach: Red Auerbach (Boston Celtics) and Scotty Bowman (St-Louis Blues / Montreal Canadiens / Pittsburgh Penguins / Detroit Red Wings)

Best Coach: Phil Jackson (Chicago Bulls / LA Lakers)

I was going to put in a word for Casey Stengel, but I noticed something about his record. Despite a stellar performance with the Yankees his teams failed to finish higher than 5th in 13 seasons with 4 different other teams and indeed was dead last 10 of those 13 years. So how much of the success was Stengel and how much was it the Yankees organization.

Red Auerbach has to be one of the most brilliant sportsman the world has ever seen. He directly coached the Celtics to NBA Championships in 9 out of 10 years and 8 straight as everyone knows, but he was also the hands on architect of 16 total Championships. When Red drafted Bill Russell in 1956 for his defensive toughness and rebounding he was going against orthodoxy that said centers had to be better offensively productive. Since the Celtics had finished 2nd the previous season Red also had to do a lot of trade maneuvering to have a shot at Russell.

In 1978 Red took more chances not only maneuvering the draft position to get a shot at Larry Bird, but also drafting him knowing he would probably have to wait a year for Bird who wanted to finish his senior year at Indiana State. Red drafted Bird without having consulted him thereby increasing the risk.

Red's enduring trademark was teamwork. In 7 Celtics Championships he coached not one of his players were in the top 10 of scoring leaders.

BRAVO!!!

Merlot

 

[MaxxxEdge]

John Wooden

 

[BookerL]

All North Americans boys in this list !!:thumb:
What about a Russian Viktor Tikhonov


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Tikhonov

He was the coach of the Soviet team when it was the most dominant team in the world, winning world cups in 1978, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1989, 1990
13 straight Soviet titles (1978–1989)
World Championship gold in 1978–1979, 1981–1983,1986,1989,1990.
Olympics gold in 1984,1988,1992; silver in 1980.
1979 Challenge Cup and 1981 Canada Cup.


Many accomplishments has a high level coach


Regards

BookerL

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I am gonna get a lot of slack over this, definitely not the greatest but an honorable mention.... Drumroll.............. The Oilers in their prime 1980 to 1990. With the group effort of GM, coaches and scouts they put together a great hockey team.

 

[jeff jones]

Sam Pollock built a real dynasty with the Habs.

Sam Pollock may have been a good gm he may not have been. He had an unfair advantage. Back when he built the dynasty mtl i do believe had the rights to the 1st three french canadians in every draft and back then quebec used to supply about 30% of the players that played in the nhl. Imagine if toronto had the rights to protect the 1st three players from ontario every year then the leafs would have won a bunch more cups also.

JJ

 

[pyjama guy]

I believe the Leafs had the same rights in Ontario as the Habs had in Quebec so you'll have to find some other excuses for why the Leafs have been so bad for so long.

 

[jeff jones]

I believe the Leafs had the same rights in Ontario as the Habs had in Quebec so you'll have to find some other excuses for why the Leafs have been so bad for so long.

You maybe right i just don't believe that you are other wise they would have protected the rights of Bobby Orr amongst others. For the record i am not a leaf fan i hate them. I will do a bit of research when i have time but i do believe that only mtl was able to protect 3 guys.

JJ

 

[Doc Holliday]

Sam Pollock may have been a good gm he may not have been. He had an unfair advantage. Back when he built the dynasty mtl i do believe had the rights to the 1st three french canadians in every draft and back then quebec used to supply about 30% of the players that played in the nhl. Imagine if toronto had the rights to protect the 1st three players from ontario every year then the leafs would have won a bunch more cups also.

Very good observation. I wholeheartedly agree! :thumb:

 

[lgna69xxx]

I second that!

Very good observation. I wholeheartedly agree! :thumb:

 

[BookerL]

Weren't the Leaf and Canadiens close in Cup winnings in 1967 ?
And didn't Pollock leave many years after rules where change with many more Cups?
Cheers
BookerL

 

[Doc Holliday]

Weren't the Leaf and Canadiens close in Cup winnings in 1967 ?
And didn't Pollock leave many years after rules where change with many more Cups?
Cheers
BookerL

I did explain in an earlier thread how things worked back then. I explained how it came about for Bobby Orr to wind up with the Boston Bruins. Part of the reason involved the Bruins buying the junior hockey team that Orr was supposed to play on....Toronto was among the teams in the running to sign this young kid to a C form.

Pollock left the habs for personal reasons and shortly after became the President of the Toronto Blue Jays, if i remember correctly. He was a very skillful GM and one of his greatest moments occurred back in the days when the Flower was one of the top scoring junior hockey players in Canada. Montreal had previously traded for the California Golden Seals #1 pick. But in order to draft the Flower, he had to make sure that the Seals finished last that year. Since they were fighting with the Los Angeles Kings for last place, Pollock traded Ralph Backstrom to the Kings in order to improve their team and help them get ahead of Oakland in the standings. There's more to the story, but i don't have time to look it up.

Anyways, the move paid off for the Habs and Pollock looked like a genius. But i'm sure a bit of luck was involved and who knows how true the reasoning behind the trades was. But that's how the Habs wound up with the Flower and how Detroit wound up with Marcel Dionne. With the 3rd overrall pick, Vancouver wound up with Jocelyn Guevremont and the rest is history.

 

[BookerL]

Thanks Doc
You seemed to know your hochey history !:thumb:
Flower had one the memorial Cup with the Quebec Ramparts
Had faced Dionne in eastern Canada finals and the. STE - Catherines BlackHawks Champion of the Ontario hockey league .
But its not the only good move Pollock did what about the trade for the big M and is bro getting Bowman as coach wasn't bad also .
He made many good moves that made Montreal a Dynasty in the 70's
Cheers
BookerL

 

[Merlot]

BOYZ,

How ironic that the player (Bobby Orr) that Bowman wanted the Canadiens to sign scored the greatest goal in hockey playoff history against Scotty Bowman (St-Louis coach) to win the Stanley Cup for the Bruins on Mother's Day 1970!

Your link isn't working but here's the photo of Orr just after scoring. It's probably the most iconic Bruins photo of all time, and if you had a first run print signed by Orr with the date of the goal written by him it would probably be worth a very conservative $10,000 to $25,000.

Thanks Doc
You seemed to know your hochey history !:thumb:

Our Toronto pals might be right about the pre-expansion advantages to the Canadiens, but they forget one thing in dismissing Montreal's record...Toronto had much the same advantages.

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/hockeyfaqsandtrivia/f/canadiens.htm

Prior to 1967, the Leafs and Canadiens held a further advantage. According to A Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Hockey, by Gerry Eskenazi, published in 1973, each NHL franchise had exclusive rights to players within its 50-mile territorial limits. So the Leafs and Canadiens could browse the neighbourhood rinks near Toronto and Montreal at their leisure, while the Rangers had a lock on the next great goalie from Hoboken.

Most of these advantages disappeared in 1963 with the introduction of the amateur draft. But the Leafs and Canadiens continued to benefit from players developed under the old system well into the 1970s.

One can hardly blame Montreal if their area happened to produce more great players, but these two teams had a significant lock on the best player producing regions unusual to other sports. So the achievements by Montreal can be compared to Toronto on a very even scale. Toronto fans have little reason for gripes. But there's little doubt these advantages negatively affected the other teams disproportionately and probably cost other teams, including the great Bruins teams of the early 70s with Orr, a couple of Championships decided by players taken with those advantages.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. He took the Green Packers from a losing team to one of the best NFL teams ever (1-10-1 in 1958) with almost the same players, as he took over in 1959 with a 7-5 record. Using the same players and never having a losing record, that's a sign of greatness. The Packers never had a losing season under him from 1960 to 1967. His teams went on to capture four more NFL crowns: 1962, 1965, 1966 and 1967.

http://www.packers.com/history/hall-of-famers/lombardi-vince.html

 

[Merlot]

BOYZ!

.....and instead of the signed first run print of the "The Goal", I will not complain with my TOPPS 1966 BOBBY ORR RC...GRADED PSA 7

Ohhhhhhh yeah, I see the price being asked for a signed mint Orr rookie card is $10,691.49. Whether you are keeping it or selling...YOU are a very lucky man. Move Heaven and Earth to get it signed...if it isn't.

Personally I never got signed autographs to sell, but when I met Ted Williams he signed a ball and a beautiful B&W portrait of himself for under $40 a piece, as I remember. Currently I'm told be collectors it's worth 40 to 50 times what I paid. I've also got a "Smoky" Joe Wood portrait, but only signed by his son who I met. The legendary pitcher had passed away about 5 years before.

Good luck,

Merlot

 

[Doc Holliday]

Greatest coach: Ron Wilson

Greatest GM: Brian Burke