Guy Turcotte murder (and what is pissing me off about it).

[ocean]

Hi guys, long time no speak, if you are listening to news other than the fact Osama is dead then you may have heard about the Guy Turcotte trial. While I do not condone what teh man has done killing innocents, I am pretty mad that the media has not at all focused in on the mother's responsibility in all of this.

While Dr. Turcotte was at work , trying hard to provide a good life for the family, and gave his wife everything, what did madame do? Well with 2 young kids, she decided to open her legs to the personal trainer. Doesn't madame Turcotte hold any of the blame in this mess? When you have 2 young kids shoudl you be inviting strange men into your bed and home? Are their other who think that she shares part of the blame (as her vajayjay was bussier than O'Hare airport).

 

[Gotsome]

Well, although it's understandable that Dr. Turcotte was enraged of his wife's infidelity, it's quite over the top to go and kill one's own children, nobody does that. there's something not quite right about that guy's head. The trial mentioned a clue, from his ex-wife, that she suspected he was gay. This is an important clue why she may have been looking for another man, it would also explain the frustration he was building up within himself. Represed gay people have been known to do some pretty strange things.

 

[hormone]

Oh boy, I feel a humongoid can of worms being openened here... it's let's just say very complicated. I can understand a little what you feel here, ocean, but I very strongly disagree.

If you read the testimonies, their marriage was not going well for years. The man the mother started seeing was both Turcotte and her personal trainer, the trainer and his wife had become good friends and were frequently doing things together. Not "some strange man". As Gotsome states, the wife, Mme Gaston, had found Mr Turcotte was looking at gay porn and had offered him to "go and test his inclinations out". He chose not to and denied any such inclinations. Mme Gaston had even talked about splitting up but Mr Turcotte had told her he could not make it without her.

It is hard to understand the dynamics of a couple without being in the couple or very very close. What was their "deal", their living arrangements, why did Mrs Gaston stay with Turcotte all this time even if all was failing... Who knows. Certainly there might have been some very repressed feelings which came out totally abnormally here--and with utmost violence.

What Turcotte did was unacceptable. I cannot subscribe to "responsability" theory for the wife at all, there is no amount of provocation that can be enough to go and do such a thing as Turcotte did. What you say Ocean is akin to calling upon a woman's responsability for being raped, because she dressed too provocatively, because she was flirting with the man before and did not want to go all out... etc.

What Turcotte did was not only ugly, it was hainous. It was weak. It was the act of a man with no real guts, no real courage. He chose to take it out on the most helpless beings he had around him and on everybody else too. It is like someone who kills himself because his girlfriend left him, but he makes sure he does it in her/ their house, to make sure she will find him dead.

There are different kinds of responsability: the one you are referring to is a moral one. To agree with you would be to say that anyone cheating on their spouse should be rightfully concerned about the cheated spouse killing the kids.
One must not confuse moral responsability with causal relationship (cause... effect), which we often confuse because their is often a link, albeit tenuous at times.

Actually I strongly feel Turcotte was evading responsability for hiw own life... Very very sad.

 

[pokerpro]

While Dr. Turcotte was at work , trying hard to provide a good life for the family, and gave his wife everything, what did madame do? Well with 2 young kids, she decided to open her legs to the personal trainer. Doesn't madame Turcotte hold any of the blame in this mess? When you have 2 young kids shoudl you be inviting strange men into your bed and home? Are their other who think that she shares part of the blame (as her vajayjay was bussier than O'Hare airport).

I totally disagree with your opinion. First of all, she was also a hard working full time doctor and wasn't freeloading on him. She hired a personnal trainer after gaining weight with her second pregnancy and even encouraged Turcotte to join her to the health club.

She had a tumultuous relationship with Turcotte in the past, they even consulted couple's therapists. If she felt unattractive and suffered a baby blues after 2 young children (this is only my opinion) and on top of all that found Turcotte surfing on gay websites, it is understandable that she slowly developped a loving relationship with another man.

As for inviting strange men into her bed and home, according to court testimony, this was done only after they had seperated, and Turcotte moved and rented the infamous chalet in Piedmont where the tragedy happened. The new boyfriend would arrive only after the kids were sound asleep for the night and he would even leave the house in the morning before the kids would wake-up. She did all these precautions to prepare slowly her kids for their parents seperation.
As you can see, Ocean, we are far away from a girl who had her ''vajayjay busier than O'Hare airport''.

 

[pokerpro]

The one that should be feeling extremely guilty today is the trainer's ex-girlfriend, who was the one who blew the whistle on the affair & contacted Turcotte about it, also sending him the emails the two lovebirds had exchanged among themselves. Reading those emails is what caused Turcotte to lose his head & go on his killing spree. Until that moment when he sat down at this computer to read the emails, Turcotte hadn't yet decided to kill himself & the kids. He had went with the kids to rent some videos & had watched tv with the kids that evening. After he put the kids to bed, he went in his room to read the emails & that's when he went crazy.

The RE-reading of the e-mails could be a factor that contributed to his rage before the murders but you have to look at other circumstances. He did not discover anything new in these e-mails, he first red them close to 2 weeks before the murders when the ex-girlfriend went to see him at the hospital to show them to him. His reaction then was to go see the trainer and punch him in the face.

A few hours before RE-reading the e-mails for a last time before tilting, his ex announced to him she had changed the locks to the house so he could not enter anymore and she was leaving for a skiing trip for the week-end with the trainer. He told her '' si tu veut la guerre, tu vas l'avoir (if you want war, you'll get it). She tried numerous times after to talk to him be he would hang up.

He then cancelled the babysitter that was supposed to watch his children the next day and also cancelled a meeting with a real estate agent.

To a therapist when he was interned at Pinel institute, he said he killed his children because he did not want them to find him dead the next morning !

An ambulance technician also testified that Turcotte told him to tell to Isabelle that he loves her !

 

[ocean]

What Turcotte did was unacceptable. I cannot subscribe to "responsability" theory for the wife at all, there is no amount of provocation that can be enough to go and do such a thing as Turcotte did.

Nobody said what he did was right , and as I said before , what Turcotte did was the killing of innocents. Just because his level of craziness was extreme, that does not completely absolve the mother of carrying on a relationship while married. depite being gay allegedly. You do not do that when you have 2 young kids.

What you say Ocean is akin to calling upon a woman's responsability for being raped, because she dressed too provocatively, because she was flirting with the man before and did not want to go all out... etc.

Dressing provocatively and having your trainer in your bed while you have 2 young kids are two completely different things. She should have first separated then started up irregardless if he is gay or straight.

 

[freedom3]

There is no justification for killing young children.

If he had killed his wife and/or the trainer, then I would be sympathetic.

 

[jeff jones]

There is no justification for killing young children.

If he had killed his wife and/or the trainer, then I would be sympathetic.

I would feel zero sympathy for him if he murdered his wife and/or trainer. Last time i checked murder is murder. I hope he does everybody a favor and he kills himself or the court system hangs him if he doesn't but oh yeah this is canada so he should be out in about 3 years with good behaviour.

 

[hormone]

, that does not completely absolve the mother of carrying on a relationship while married. depite being gay allegedly.

(...) She should have first separated then started up irregardless if he is gay or straight.

Ocean, once again I don't feel the mother has "responsability" for this. You make it sound as if Isabelle Gaston had split up before having her affair, nothing of this would have happened. How can anyone say that with any degree of certainty? Sometimes you pick what you think is the lesser of two evils, the one with apparently less consequences. Normally people in Mr Turcotte's shoes don't react like Mr Turcotte did... It is NOT something you SHOULD have to worry about. Many couples go through the same thing-- cheating, affairs-- and split up when this is discovered and you don't usually see children murdered from this. Even had she separated before, there is absolutely nothing that garantees that Mr Turcotte would have not done the same thing, only a few months later... How many times do we read of an angered ex-spouse dropped by his wife/ girlfriend who goes to chase down his ex and her new man and assaults her or kills her. (Yes I am talking about something a little different here but part of the same spectrum of violence)...

Why don't you say the same of Mr Turcotte then? Why don't you say: you don't stay in a relationship/ married if you have repressed gay feelings...

I am not in Isabelle Gaston's mind and can only guess at why she chose to stay with Turcotte while she was unhappy and having an affair. Was she thinking it was best for the kids to have both parents around? All I can say is that she may never be able to have a normal relationship again-- but I was happy to see she was still with Mr Huot.

Audace (you wear your name well!) I agree with you about Turcotte: I hope he finds a way to kill himself later. I am happy he did not succeed in killing himslef initially-- that was just cowardice.. cowardice which so many men display in times like this. Murder of your spouse or children followed by your own suicide. Disgusting. His life is now truly a living hell...So he knows what he has done. There will be no need to prolong it, he will never be "cured" of these events, the marks they will leave. I don't wish him to be executed-- I am not seeking revenge or "justice". Just disappear from everyone's life. DIY. Be erased, even though what he did will not be erased.

 

[hormone]

but oh yeah this is canada so he should be out in about 3 years with good behaviour.

Nahhh, Jeff... this is not organized crime here, nor is he a long seasoned repeat offender/ hardened criminal. So he is not eligible for early release!!

 

[ocean]

Ocean, once again I don't feel the mother has "responsability" for this. You make it sound as if Isabelle Gaston had split up before having her affair, nothing of this would have happened. How can anyone say that with any degree of certainty? Sometimes you pick what you think is the lesser of two evils, the one with apparently less consequences. Normally people in Mr Turcotte's shoes don't react like Mr Turcotte did... It is NOT something you SHOULD have to worry about. Many couples go through the same thing-- cheating, affairs-- and split up when this is discovered and you don't usually see children murdered from this. Even had she separated before, there is absolutely nothing that garantees that Mr Turcotte would have not done the same thing, only a few months later... How many times do we read of an angered ex-spouse dropped by his wife/ girlfriend who goes to chase down his ex and her new man and assaults her or kills her.

There is no guarantee of anything, but I can say that sitting down with one's partner (or sitting with lawyers as the case may be) saying look its not working .... going through a process where either partner has time to absorb the rupture of the relationship usually ends up much better then to come home and find the wife nailing the personal trainer.

Again when you have kids involved you have to put their needs first, both parties showed they have no modicum of responsibility towards the needs of the child Neither swinging mommy nor crazy father did that. AS well in this she also in addition to partially destroying her own family destroyed another couple.

(Yes I am talking about something a little different here but part of the same spectrum of violence)...Why don't you say the same of Mr Turcotte then? Why don't you say: you don't stay in a relationship/ married if you have repressed gay feelings...

Or you can ask the converse question, why did madame Gaston stay married knowing he was gay? BTW if Dr. Trucotte was screwing a nurse and the wife found out and killed the kids, and please be honest we would be saying oh poor woman , the emotional trauma got to her the evil husband was screwing around. Nobody would be saying that evil mother taking teh life of 2 beautiful kids.

In regards to audace. If they are both doctors they should act like it. If I can they should also.

 

[evillethings]

...While I do not condone what teh man has done killing innocents, I am pretty mad that the media has not at all focused in on the mother's responsibility in all of this...

I think the mother's only responsibility was to have kept her "hobby" a little more on the down low. Otherwise, pretty dumbass move by a guy to off his family because his ego took a hit. Life happens, you don't have to go killing ppl.

 

[hormone]

Otherwise, pretty dumbass move by a guy to off his family because his ego took a hit. Life happens, you don't have to go killing ppl.

Pretty dumbass... or pretty damn deranged I would say. Deranged not as in schizo, but yes, as you point out referring to his ego, very narcissistic. You are wounded, so instead of taking the hit and dealing with it, you have to wound someone else. This was a direct cowardly attack on his wife...

BTW if Dr. Trucotte was screwing a nurse and the wife found out and killed the kids, and please be honest we would be saying oh poor woman , the emotional trauma got to her the evil husband was screwing around.

Wether it be mom or dad who kills the kids, I find it despicable. I pitty the guy. But pitty is not a nice to have for people. Pitty is like for a wounded horse... you take it out of its misery and shoot it. When I say poor man, I mean I can imagine his hell NOW. If it had been the mom, she would probbaly feel the same way. But there is something in nature that prevents most mothers from doing this. Most infancticides are by fathers.

 

[ocean]

I think the mother's only responsibility was to have kept her "hobby" a little more on the down low. Otherwise, pretty dumbass move by a guy to off his family because his ego took a hit. Life happens, you don't have to go killing ppl.

Well first off all, when you are in a family especially a young family you should not be inviting other men in to your bed period. Either separate, then start something up . She did have some responsibility in this by acting like a total cuckold.

 

[Ricky bonds]

Yes she was wrong for cheating? And making up the gay story to avoid looking like a total piece of work?
But in the case of what this man did, that is completely erased/dwarfed/ and un-important..!
Anybody with a child knows the trust in the childs eyes when they look at you! To in any way harm a child.. Especially your own should be grounds enough to validate the most severe penalty, and in the event of someone murdering a child? The death penalty !
I dont feel comfortable knowing that our tax dollars will support a sick phuck in jail with food, shelter, and therapy.
I chose not to follow this story., having a child of my own.. This hits a very soft spot.
So today i read the whole story, and i have to admit that i dont think this man should have any rights whatsoever after what he did.

 

[Abe Sapien]

This guy is a cardiologist, he stabbed his son 37 times in the chest. He was full of anger when he did that. He said that he just wanted to take his children with him, if this is true he would know where to cut without causing any suffering to his son.

 

[leneo]

Turcotte : Not Gulty !!!

Ok i'm speechless........


Lcn cbc

 

[anon_vlad]

Had he been found guilty (I think of manslaughter, not murder), he probably would have been eligible for parole after a few years. I think that he will now be committed to a mental institution with no limit on the time he will be imprisoned there.

 

[Techman]

I'm disgusted. This guy should be locked up for life but instead he may be out in 45 days. Great place we live in where you can spend more time in jail for smoking pot than killing your own children. Maybe the members of the jury can claim temporary insanity for this bullshit verdict.

 

[Element 115]

Doctors stick together like the cops do, he will not be out in 45 days. They will wait a year to make it look good.