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Guy Turcotte murder (and what is pissing me off about it).

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I know one thing, all the people that are for letting these criminals out are all for it as long as they don't move in next door to them and perhaps murder there wife or children if they have any, let them move in next door to somebody else and have them live in fear. The bottom line is he is a gutless murdering scumbag who deserves to pay the price. For the record thanks for the last word much appreciated:)
 
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There is a troublesome circular argument in this case. No father "in his right mind" would repeatedly stab his children to death. Therefore he had to be "mentally ill" at the time of the crime. Can an isolated, temporary absence of sanity be used as a reason to limit criminal responsibility? Taken to an extreme, just about any criminal could say he/she was so stressed, depressed and confused that he/she was mentally ill at the time of the crime.

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There is a troublesome circular argument in this case. No father "in his right mind" would repeatedly stab his children to death. Therefore he had to be "mentally ill" at the time of the crime. Can an isolated, temporary absence of sanity be used as a reason to limit criminal responsibility?

Seem yes in that case...

Taken to an extreme, just about any criminal could say he/she was so stressed, depressed and confused that he/she was mentally ill at the time of the crime.

Doesn't work all time, see Jocelyn Hotte and Francis Proulx cases.... The difference? You can review the 3 month of Turcotte trial case and compare with them.... Let us know in about 6-9 months after you listened everything :)
 

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The way the trial played out is almost as pathetic as the americans that believe osama bin laden was killed in that raid..
but as mentioned above its true that people wont stick together and demand a different outcome..
May his beautiful children rest in peace, and may this sick phuck feel the wrath of an incarcerated father while hes still in custody.
 

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I say he is a sociopath that wanted to punish his wife by taking her kids away. He knew exactly what he was doing.
 

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Whats funny is that everyone were saying: 'you gotta be sick to kill your children' and now he got declared 'sick' and everyone surprised of this..... Overall I think this guy have like 0.00001 % chance to repeat it and based on the jury decision I rather have him getting treatment (he already got a therapy of 11 month btw) go back in society, pay taxes etc than have him in jail and it will cost us like 2.5-3mil over 25 year to keep him there (based that it cost more than 100k a year per person in federal jail).

Hello Wilko,

Yes, it's a confounding irony. A husband who is so distraught over his wife's cheating and unfaithful "love" that he forgets his own love for his children and their everlasting love for their father that he butchers them like a maniacal assassin. Legally any sane person could not see the killer as anything but insane. It seems impossible that any person could slaughter children, especially his own loving children.

However, these excuses over taxes prison expenses or the fact the dead cannot "benefit" from any prosecution and judgment are morally irrelevant. He destroyed his own children and nothing else changes that. Also, if we can believe he was insane enough to butcher his own, then we must also believe he is a danger to others and society.

I say he is a sociopath that wanted to punish his wife by taking her kids away. He knew exactly what he was doing.

And that is what seems most likely to me. Any father who could ever think of the selfishly barbarous act of slaughtering his children must have had severe previous issues that are legally distinct from insanity, and were probably part of why his wife cheated on him. This tragedy probably has had a long build up that has little to do with spontaneous insanity.

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The guy is a cardiologist, he claims that he was trying to kill himself with the windshield washer fluid. He knew that he had plenty of time to be saved. So I believe it was all a ruse to fake insanity.
 

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His acquittal has irked me a lot. I expect to see him out of a mental very soon. The guy was smart enough to make it through medical school and become a cardiologist and he sure sounded fine on the stand. After the battery of tests they'll let him out.

A couple things really bugged me, he basically admitted in his testimony that he did it because he was mad that his wife cheated on him, especially when he felt he was so lucky to have such a hot wife etc etc. I mean reading the emails led him to kill his kids. It's pretty obvious killing the kids was the best way to get at his wife. So according to him, he decides to kill himself, then realizes he can't have his kids wake up to him dead, so he stabs them to death, but when he goes to stab himself, he can't find the knife. What a coincidence.

Also, the stupid expert testimony, its such a joke, they base their testimony strictly on what he tells them, not his actions, he said this, this and this to me, so he must have lost his mind. What about his actions? the fact that he could buy a house and continue to work right up to that moment? The fact that he was always bringing up money, and after the murders he's calling his mom to get a refund on a pot and a spa gift certificate and to take back a freaking bag of potatoes! Does this sound like an insane person?Back to the defesne psychiatrists, I've been to these expert witnesses and they wouldn't write anything down that matter, then they'd ask me nonsense and write down every word I said. Obviously they were being paid big bucks by the defense. Then I'd actually ask them medical advice, since they were doctors, and they wouldn't help me. What a joke.

Damn, this was a novel. I wonder if anyone read it all?
 

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I agree with 10-4 Rogers, Abe Sapien, Steve Irwin, Jeff Jones, Pokerpro, freedom3, Techman and MtrlNewbie on most of all their post.

And some of Evilthings, Merlot, Mod 11, anon_vlad and Cloud 500 posts.

My solution would be much more radical but maybe it's because I've been around in so many places in the world which we often depict as countries that go against the human charter of rights.

I find very funny people who thinks that because we live in a democracy and that we have comon law, etc. etc... that WE are more civilized.

The only fact that matters here is : he stabbed them to death one after te other like 10-4Rogers said and like Evilthings said "a total of 46 times".

A civilized world for me is one who doesn't accept for no reason anyone stabbing kids 46 times, one after the other.

I don't care if you were sane all your life before or if you suddenly snapped, whether you got cheated or you wanted to kill yourself after, or that in went thru the justice system and 11 citizens found the guy not guilty, bla bla bla.

A civilized world who accept that this animal can live because of technicalities in their system of law is a sick world.

I say use the guy to test all antiviral drugs for every new virus we find.
You know ? the way we do with animals ? in a civilized society ?

So this way you don't kill him by intention, you keep him in total isolation the rest of his life (inside away from others), you don't waste money to keep him in jail and his life will serve society and even the uncivilized world.
 

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I find very funny people who thinks that because we live in a democracy and that we have comon law, etc. etc... that WE are more civilized.
Yes I find it very funny too. I mean, just read your own post and your views of a civilized world become clear. You say use humans to test antiviral drugs huh? Good one! Feels like nazi Germany all over again.
 

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Yes I find it very funny too. I mean, just read your own post and your views of a civilized world become clear. You say use humans to test antiviral drugs huh? Good one! Feels like nazi Germany all over again.

Where did I say I would use humans ?
A guy who stabbed his own kids 46 times you call this human ?
To me you loose your rights as a human when you commit that kind of monstrosity.

BTW : I wouldn't even use mamals like our society does to create all kinds of futilities to make people look good for instance. Here's a useful link for you : http://www.peta.org/
 

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Rationalizations. Hitler also thought that jews lost their rights as humans and, btw, what does PETA have to do with anything?

Take this to the bank. We live in a society which has, as its fundamental principle, the rule of law and that's a good thing. The last time I checked, lynching was a crime in Canada.

Now let me ask this to you: were you and the posters you agree with present at the hearings? I don't think you were however you all speak as if part of a commission appointed to carry out an extrajudicial execution. None of this contributes to a better society. It's just talk blown out of anger.
 
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Rationalizations. Hitler also thought that jews lost their rights as humans and, btw, what does PETA have to do with anything?

Take this to the bank. We live in a society which has, as its fundamental principle, the rule of law and that's a good thing. The last time I checked, lynching was a crime in Canada.

Now let me ask this to you: were you and the posters you agree with present at the hearings? I don't think you were however you all speak as if part of a commission appointed to carry out an extrajudicial execution. None of this contributes to a better society. It's just talk blown out of anger.

Reported facts which he admits : He killed his kids out of rage by stabbing them 46 times.
Question : Did he or not ? If yes. I'm not the kind to hide behind a justice system no to take difficult decisions.

As I said... I'm not for an extrajudicial execution. His life could serve society and even save millions.

As for bringing up Hitler and Nazis... using your reasoning would get us to "you weren't at Nuremberg, so you couldn't make any moral judgement".

Hitler didn't think they lost their rights because they murdered others. He like all his scumbags thought they lost their right to live just because they existed. Same as those poor kids.

These SOB killed, murdered, butchered, use them in gruesome experiments, etc. and brought about 56Millions dead just because they use their heads and whatever sickness there was in it instead of using their heart.

They thought they could get away murdering innocent people without real consequences.
Question : would you have given Hitler and his SS a 2nd chance ? Because with the kind of justice you seem to want. These as*holes would still be alive and well.

Again about Nazis.. (which btw all nazis weren't killers) but I'd say the doctrine of letting people murder without consequence is exactly the same thinking that is so often brought up by people who would do everything to save a murderer while not giving a sh*t about innocent lives like the ones of his kids.

And Peta has to do with the way our society is now and to me there is a lot of sickness in it.

How many billions of animals we kill to eat while wasting so much and letting millions 'humans' die each year for the sake of 'our way of life'.

How many people dies just because they weren't born in the right country at the right time. Yet we are putting food on the stock market and use the land to fuel machines.

There are thousands if not millions of people willing to come here in Canada to live a decent life away from famine, war, torture, etc. willing to work and be good citizens with all the benefits that murderers out here got all their life while hidding behind a justice system for which we think is the 8th wonder of the world.

As for anger ? anger is not the word for this. But sad is. Sad that people don't give a sh*t about the life of others once they are dead. They care only about what will happen to the killers and criminals and think that our society will be better if we let them all go on about their life while forgetting about the ones who suffer.

Wow ! what a beauty !
 

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Ref. JH Fan post #82

Admit it, you have no faith in the judicial system. You would rather replace it by some extrajudicial ''YOU'' because you think your opinion is better informed than the jury's. You ignore the various legal tests for criminal responsibility, most of which date as far back as the 1843 McNaughten Rules, and Section 16 of the Criminal Code of Canada which states:

16. (1) No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong.

Presumption
(2) Every person is presumed not to suffer from a mental disorder so as to be exempt from criminal responsibility by virtue of subsection (1), until the contrary is proved on the balance of probabilities.

Burden of proof
(3) The burden of proof that an accused was suffering from a mental disorder so as to be exempt from criminal responsibility is on the party that raises the issue.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 16;R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 185(F);1991, c. 43, s. 2.
 
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>>> edited by Mod 11: JH, next time you quote a post immediately above yours, without a valid reason, your entire post will get deleted, without further notice or warning. Thanks <<<

I'm sure every court ruling in Canada since 1843 have been impeccable.
And that it never failed !

1843, 1867... Canada's constitution is dated back then and hasn't been fixed yet.
So who cares ?

Now I'm sure the jury had to go 'by the book'. It's not their fault. It is a pretty book anyway !

Next copycat killing spree ?
Bah ! just another nut case !

Can't wait to see the kind of mental treatements that will make our society better !

Back in primary school they used to tell us how the ordinary german in 1939 had a blind faith in their system. It simply could not fail.

Anyway going back to work now, have to send my report of the High-North before I get some fresh air in Fiji ! There is some corporal punishment forms in their comon law but don't worry for me it seldom applied.

Wanna come ?
 
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Next copycat killing spree ?
You think someone who has the mental predisposition to murder his own children is in any frame of mind to process the jurisprudence and weigh the pros and cons before he snaps? You are a joker.

10-4Roger, the least I can say is you couldn't pick a better subject to misplace a joke.
 
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