Hamas & Israel
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A Palestinian resistant blowing up a zionist terrorist tank from zero-distance in a matter of under 30 seconds. You really need to have balls of steel, being a fearless die-hard and being totally devoted to a rightous cause to do such a huge risky action. While the IDF terrorists (generally mercenaries living everywhere in the West) have little to no awarness, they get decimated by dozens everyday due to their little awarness, lack of motivation and their moral down.
It has taken a couple months for the extent of the atrocities committed by Hamas to be revealed. Dealing with 1200 victims takes time and many bodies were burned or disfigured, as the Wall Street Journal reports in the article below.
I fully understand why Israel must react to the Hamas attack by waging total war against Hamas and its followers--and by "followers" I mean most of the people of Gaza.
The people of Gaza put Hamas in charge and supported them along every step of the way to October 7. The Gazans took welfare payments from all over the world (especially Iran and Arab countries) and instead of using it to build a normal society, used the money to build tunnels, import weapons, launch rockets against Israeli civilians and brainwash their children and fellow citizens to follow a radical, Jew-hating, death-obsessed version of Islam.
They brought their misery on themselves and I have no sympathy for them. I hope Israel continues its war as long as necessary to teach the Gazans that they will never succeed in destroying Israel but that they will succeed in destroying their own society unless thery give up their own dysfunctional, backwards and self-destructive ideology.
www.wsj.com
NIR OZ, Israel—Eitan Cunio heard the militants enter his house and watched as gasoline seeped under the door of the safe room where he sheltered with his wife and two children.
His 1-year-old daughter was crying as the family’s home in Kibbutz Nir Oz was set alight and smoke began entering the room. Cunio put wet sheets at the bottom of the door and told his family they would stay inside rather than be killed or kidnapped. If we die, we die together at home, he said.
Before passing out, Cunio sent a tearful voice note to a friend in his community: “Brother, it’s horrible. We are going to die.”
Months have passed since the October day Israelis call Black Sabbath, when Hamas-led militants rampaged into Israel from Gaza, an attack that officials say killed some 1,200 people and included acts of torture, mutilation and sexual violence. Israeli investigators are now using some 200,000 photographs and videos and 2,000 witness testimonies to reconstruct what happened, with an eye toward building a legal case against those responsible that would meet international standards and provide a definitive historical accounting of the Oct. 7 attack.
Reporters from The Wall Street Journal examined some of that evidence, supplemented with interviews of first responders, survivors, families of victims and forensic scientists, to document an attack that Israeli Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai described as “systematic and unprecedented in its cruelty.”
Forensic evidence shared with the Journal by Israeli officials shows some victims were burned alive after militants used accelerants to set fire to their homes. Photos viewed by the Journal taken by first responders on the scene show bodies were mutilated including the sex organs of both men and women. The bodies of women and girls showed various signs of sexual assault, and recently, at least three female survivors have come forward to say they experienced sexual violence on Oct. 7.
...Israel has identified about 800 dead civilians from Oct. 7, including 37 minors under the age of 17, six of whom were under 5. Some 25 people over the age of 80 were killed, including a 94-year-old woman, according to the prime minister’s office.
Hamas militants and others kidnapped roughly 250 people on Oct. 7, according to Israeli authorities.
Dead bodies were taken to an Israeli military base where they were processed and those that were unidentifiable sent to the National Center of Forensic Medicine, which took fingerprints, conducted X-rays and CT scans and removed tissue samples for DNA extraction.
Scans revealed signs of torture and execution, according to Dr. Chen Kugel, head of the forensics center. In some cases, the center found soot in the trachea, indicating people were burned alive as they inhaled smoke before bodies charred, he said. Others were burned after they were already dead.
One scan of blackened remains viewed by the Journal revealed two spines and two rib cages belonging to a child and an adult who were bound together with metal wire and burned alive, Kugel said. He added that more than 20 bodies were found with hands bound with zip ties or electric cords, indicating execution.
Militants posted videos of some of the killings and kidnappings on victims’ social media pages, where friends and family watched. When militants forced their way into Noam Elyakim’s home, they shot him in the leg, then took his wife’s phone and livestreamed the family being taken hostage on Facebook. In another instance, Shay Shimoni saw a video posted by militants of her 75-year-old mother dead in a pool of blood. The Journal viewed both videos, which are no longer online.
New details about sexual violence also are emerging. Investigators initially found no rape survivors, but at least three women have since come forward to the Ministry of Welfare saying they experienced sexual violence, said Ayelet Razin Bet Or, a former government official helping with the investigation.
One witness saw militants gang rape a woman and then cut off her breast, according to police testimony viewed by the Journal. First responders said they saw signs of sexual violence, including women found naked or with their underwear pulled down or tops removed.
The Journal saw images taken by a first responder of a naked woman with a knife and three nails in the crotch area, women whose clothing was partially or entirely removed and women with blood from the crotch area. In another image provided by the first responder, a woman’s breast was almost entirely sliced off. Her shirt was ripped away and she had a knife wound in the neck. In two other photos a naked man was found gagged and shot and one photo showed a man’s eyeball had been removed.
Shari Mendes, 62, a reservist in the Israeli army who helped identify bodies after Oct. 7, said people were shot in the head so many times they were disfigured.
...Sexual assault
At the festival, Hamas militants began to sexually assault women, witnesses told the police. Fighters took women back to Gaza with them, and in one example, paraded the half-naked body of a female festival goer in the back of a pickup, according to a widely shared video on Telegram.
In a recording of a phone call that morning, militants driving in Israel cheered as one of them talked about raping a woman.
“I am going to f— her, I am going to f— her,” he told another person on the line, according to an unverified recording shared with the Journal by Israeli officials...
I fully understand why Israel must react to the Hamas attack by waging total war against Hamas and its followers--and by "followers" I mean most of the people of Gaza.
The people of Gaza put Hamas in charge and supported them along every step of the way to October 7. The Gazans took welfare payments from all over the world (especially Iran and Arab countries) and instead of using it to build a normal society, used the money to build tunnels, import weapons, launch rockets against Israeli civilians and brainwash their children and fellow citizens to follow a radical, Jew-hating, death-obsessed version of Islam.
They brought their misery on themselves and I have no sympathy for them. I hope Israel continues its war as long as necessary to teach the Gazans that they will never succeed in destroying Israel but that they will succeed in destroying their own society unless thery give up their own dysfunctional, backwards and self-destructive ideology.
Israel’s ‘Black Sabbath’: Murder, Sexual Violence and Torture on Oct. 7
Investigators build legal case documenting ‘systematic and unprecedented cruelty’ with echoes of Adolf Eichmann trial.
www.wsj.com
NIR OZ, Israel—Eitan Cunio heard the militants enter his house and watched as gasoline seeped under the door of the safe room where he sheltered with his wife and two children.
His 1-year-old daughter was crying as the family’s home in Kibbutz Nir Oz was set alight and smoke began entering the room. Cunio put wet sheets at the bottom of the door and told his family they would stay inside rather than be killed or kidnapped. If we die, we die together at home, he said.
Before passing out, Cunio sent a tearful voice note to a friend in his community: “Brother, it’s horrible. We are going to die.”
Months have passed since the October day Israelis call Black Sabbath, when Hamas-led militants rampaged into Israel from Gaza, an attack that officials say killed some 1,200 people and included acts of torture, mutilation and sexual violence. Israeli investigators are now using some 200,000 photographs and videos and 2,000 witness testimonies to reconstruct what happened, with an eye toward building a legal case against those responsible that would meet international standards and provide a definitive historical accounting of the Oct. 7 attack.
Reporters from The Wall Street Journal examined some of that evidence, supplemented with interviews of first responders, survivors, families of victims and forensic scientists, to document an attack that Israeli Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai described as “systematic and unprecedented in its cruelty.”
Forensic evidence shared with the Journal by Israeli officials shows some victims were burned alive after militants used accelerants to set fire to their homes. Photos viewed by the Journal taken by first responders on the scene show bodies were mutilated including the sex organs of both men and women. The bodies of women and girls showed various signs of sexual assault, and recently, at least three female survivors have come forward to say they experienced sexual violence on Oct. 7.
...Israel has identified about 800 dead civilians from Oct. 7, including 37 minors under the age of 17, six of whom were under 5. Some 25 people over the age of 80 were killed, including a 94-year-old woman, according to the prime minister’s office.
Hamas militants and others kidnapped roughly 250 people on Oct. 7, according to Israeli authorities.
Dead bodies were taken to an Israeli military base where they were processed and those that were unidentifiable sent to the National Center of Forensic Medicine, which took fingerprints, conducted X-rays and CT scans and removed tissue samples for DNA extraction.
Scans revealed signs of torture and execution, according to Dr. Chen Kugel, head of the forensics center. In some cases, the center found soot in the trachea, indicating people were burned alive as they inhaled smoke before bodies charred, he said. Others were burned after they were already dead.
One scan of blackened remains viewed by the Journal revealed two spines and two rib cages belonging to a child and an adult who were bound together with metal wire and burned alive, Kugel said. He added that more than 20 bodies were found with hands bound with zip ties or electric cords, indicating execution.
Militants posted videos of some of the killings and kidnappings on victims’ social media pages, where friends and family watched. When militants forced their way into Noam Elyakim’s home, they shot him in the leg, then took his wife’s phone and livestreamed the family being taken hostage on Facebook. In another instance, Shay Shimoni saw a video posted by militants of her 75-year-old mother dead in a pool of blood. The Journal viewed both videos, which are no longer online.
New details about sexual violence also are emerging. Investigators initially found no rape survivors, but at least three women have since come forward to the Ministry of Welfare saying they experienced sexual violence, said Ayelet Razin Bet Or, a former government official helping with the investigation.
One witness saw militants gang rape a woman and then cut off her breast, according to police testimony viewed by the Journal. First responders said they saw signs of sexual violence, including women found naked or with their underwear pulled down or tops removed.
The Journal saw images taken by a first responder of a naked woman with a knife and three nails in the crotch area, women whose clothing was partially or entirely removed and women with blood from the crotch area. In another image provided by the first responder, a woman’s breast was almost entirely sliced off. Her shirt was ripped away and she had a knife wound in the neck. In two other photos a naked man was found gagged and shot and one photo showed a man’s eyeball had been removed.
Shari Mendes, 62, a reservist in the Israeli army who helped identify bodies after Oct. 7, said people were shot in the head so many times they were disfigured.
...Sexual assault
At the festival, Hamas militants began to sexually assault women, witnesses told the police. Fighters took women back to Gaza with them, and in one example, paraded the half-naked body of a female festival goer in the back of a pickup, according to a widely shared video on Telegram.
In a recording of a phone call that morning, militants driving in Israel cheered as one of them talked about raping a woman.
“I am going to f— her, I am going to f— her,” he told another person on the line, according to an unverified recording shared with the Journal by Israeli officials...
It has taken a couple months for the extent of the atrocities committed by Hamas to be revealed. Dealing with 1200 victims takes time and many bodies were burned or disfigured, as the Wall Street Journal reports in the article below.
I fully understand why Israel must react to the Hamas attack by waging total war against Hamas and its followers--and by "followers" I mean most of the people of Gaza.
The people of Gaza put Hamas in charge and supported them along every step of the way to October 7. The Gazans took welfare payments from all over the world (especially Iran and Arab countries) and instead of using it to build a normal society, used the money to build tunnels, import weapons, launch rockets against Israeli civilians and brainwash their children and fellow citizens to follow a radical, Jew-hating, death-obsessed version of Islam.
They brought their misery on themselves and I have no sympathy for them. I hope Israel continues its war as long as necessary to teach the Gazans that they will never succeed in destroying Israel but that they will succeed in destroying their own society unless thery give up their own dysfunctional, backwards and self-destructive ideology.
Israel’s ‘Black Sabbath’: Murder, Sexual Violence and Torture on Oct. 7
Investigators build legal case documenting ‘systematic and unprecedented cruelty’ with echoes of Adolf Eichmann trial.
NIR OZ, Israel—Eitan Cunio heard the militants enter his house and watched as gasoline seeped under the door of the safe room where he sheltered with his wife and two children.
His 1-year-old daughter was crying as the family’s home in Kibbutz Nir Oz was set alight and smoke began entering the room. Cunio put wet sheets at the bottom of the door and told his family they would stay inside rather than be killed or kidnapped. If we die, we die together at home, he said.
Before passing out, Cunio sent a tearful voice note to a friend in his community: “Brother, it’s horrible. We are going to die.”
Months have passed since the October day Israelis call Black Sabbath, when Hamas-led militants rampaged into Israel from Gaza, an attack that officials say killed some 1,200 people and included acts of torture, mutilation and sexual violence. Israeli investigators are now using some 200,000 photographs and videos and 2,000 witness testimonies to reconstruct what happened, with an eye toward building a legal case against those responsible that would meet international standards and provide a definitive historical accounting of the Oct. 7 attack.
Reporters from The Wall Street Journal examined some of that evidence, supplemented with interviews of first responders, survivors, families of victims and forensic scientists, to document an attack that Israeli Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai described as “systematic and unprecedented in its cruelty.”
Forensic evidence shared with the Journal by Israeli officials shows some victims were burned alive after militants used accelerants to set fire to their homes. Photos viewed by the Journal taken by first responders on the scene show bodies were mutilated including the sex organs of both men and women. The bodies of women and girls showed various signs of sexual assault, and recently, at least three female survivors have come forward to say they experienced sexual violence on Oct. 7.
...Israel has identified about 800 dead civilians from Oct. 7, including 37 minors under the age of 17, six of whom were under 5. Some 25 people over the age of 80 were killed, including a 94-year-old woman, according to the prime minister’s office.
Hamas militants and others kidnapped roughly 250 people on Oct. 7, according to Israeli authorities.
Dead bodies were taken to an Israeli military base where they were processed and those that were unidentifiable sent to the National Center of Forensic Medicine, which took fingerprints, conducted X-rays and CT scans and removed tissue samples for DNA extraction.
Scans revealed signs of torture and execution, according to Dr. Chen Kugel, head of the forensics center. In some cases, the center found soot in the trachea, indicating people were burned alive as they inhaled smoke before bodies charred, he said. Others were burned after they were already dead.
One scan of blackened remains viewed by the Journal revealed two spines and two rib cages belonging to a child and an adult who were bound together with metal wire and burned alive, Kugel said. He added that more than 20 bodies were found with hands bound with zip ties or electric cords, indicating execution.
Militants posted videos of some of the killings and kidnappings on victims’ social media pages, where friends and family watched. When militants forced their way into Noam Elyakim’s home, they shot him in the leg, then took his wife’s phone and livestreamed the family being taken hostage on Facebook. In another instance, Shay Shimoni saw a video posted by militants of her 75-year-old mother dead in a pool of blood. The Journal viewed both videos, which are no longer online.
New details about sexual violence also are emerging. Investigators initially found no rape survivors, but at least three women have since come forward to the Ministry of Welfare saying they experienced sexual violence, said Ayelet Razin Bet Or, a former government official helping with the investigation.
One witness saw militants gang rape a woman and then cut off her breast, according to police testimony viewed by the Journal. First responders said they saw signs of sexual violence, including women found naked or with their underwear pulled down or tops removed.
The Journal saw images taken by a first responder of a naked woman with a knife and three nails in the crotch area, women whose clothing was partially or entirely removed and women with blood from the crotch area. In another image provided by the first responder, a woman’s breast was almost entirely sliced off. Her shirt was ripped away and she had a knife wound in the neck. In two other photos a naked man was found gagged and shot and one photo showed a man’s eyeball had been removed.
Shari Mendes, 62, a reservist in the Israeli army who helped identify bodies after Oct. 7, said people were shot in the head so many times they were disfigured.
...Sexual assault
At the festival, Hamas militants began to sexually assault women, witnesses told the police. Fighters took women back to Gaza with them, and in one example, paraded the half-naked body of a female festival goer in the back of a pickup, according to a widely shared video on Telegram.
In a recording of a phone call that morning, militants driving in Israel cheered as one of them talked about raping a woman.
“I am going to f— her, I am going to f— her,” he told another person on the line, according to an unverified recording shared with the Journal by Israeli officials...
I don't believe real peace will ever happen between Israel and Pelestinians in Gaza and Cisjordany.
It was probably a huge mistake made in 1947 to establish a Jews country there.
And yet some fellow here claim it didn’t happenIt has taken a couple months for the extent of the atrocities committed by Hamas to be revealed. Dealing with 1200 victims takes time and many bodies were burned or disfigured, as the Wall Street Journal reports in the article below.
I fully understand why Israel must react to the Hamas attack by waging total war against Hamas and its followers--and by "followers" I mean most of the people of Gaza.
The people of Gaza put Hamas in charge and supported them along every step of the way to October 7. The Gazans took welfare payments from all over the world (especially Iran and Arab countries) and instead of using it to build a normal society, used the money to build tunnels, import weapons, launch rockets against Israeli civilians and brainwash their children and fellow citizens to follow a radical, Jew-hating, death-obsessed version of Islam.
They brought their misery on themselves and I have no sympathy for them. I hope Israel continues its war as long as necessary to teach the Gazans that they will never succeed in destroying Israel but that they will succeed in destroying their own society unless thery give up their own dysfunctional, backwards and self-destructive ideology.
Israel’s ‘Black Sabbath’: Murder, Sexual Violence and Torture on Oct. 7
Investigators build legal case documenting ‘systematic and unprecedented cruelty’ with echoes of Adolf Eichmann trial.
NIR OZ, Israel—Eitan Cunio heard the militants enter his house and watched as gasoline seeped under the door of the safe room where he sheltered with his wife and two children.
His 1-year-old daughter was crying as the family’s home in Kibbutz Nir Oz was set alight and smoke began entering the room. Cunio put wet sheets at the bottom of the door and told his family they would stay inside rather than be killed or kidnapped. If we die, we die together at home, he said.
Before passing out, Cunio sent a tearful voice note to a friend in his community: “Brother, it’s horrible. We are going to die.”
Months have passed since the October day Israelis call Black Sabbath, when Hamas-led militants rampaged into Israel from Gaza, an attack that officials say killed some 1,200 people and included acts of torture, mutilation and sexual violence. Israeli investigators are now using some 200,000 photographs and videos and 2,000 witness testimonies to reconstruct what happened, with an eye toward building a legal case against those responsible that would meet international standards and provide a definitive historical accounting of the Oct. 7 attack.
Reporters from The Wall Street Journal examined some of that evidence, supplemented with interviews of first responders, survivors, families of victims and forensic scientists, to document an attack that Israeli Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai described as “systematic and unprecedented in its cruelty.”
Forensic evidence shared with the Journal by Israeli officials shows some victims were burned alive after militants used accelerants to set fire to their homes. Photos viewed by the Journal taken by first responders on the scene show bodies were mutilated including the sex organs of both men and women. The bodies of women and girls showed various signs of sexual assault, and recently, at least three female survivors have come forward to say they experienced sexual violence on Oct. 7.
...Israel has identified about 800 dead civilians from Oct. 7, including 37 minors under the age of 17, six of whom were under 5. Some 25 people over the age of 80 were killed, including a 94-year-old woman, according to the prime minister’s office.
Hamas militants and others kidnapped roughly 250 people on Oct. 7, according to Israeli authorities.
Dead bodies were taken to an Israeli military base where they were processed and those that were unidentifiable sent to the National Center of Forensic Medicine, which took fingerprints, conducted X-rays and CT scans and removed tissue samples for DNA extraction.
Scans revealed signs of torture and execution, according to Dr. Chen Kugel, head of the forensics center. In some cases, the center found soot in the trachea, indicating people were burned alive as they inhaled smoke before bodies charred, he said. Others were burned after they were already dead.
One scan of blackened remains viewed by the Journal revealed two spines and two rib cages belonging to a child and an adult who were bound together with metal wire and burned alive, Kugel said. He added that more than 20 bodies were found with hands bound with zip ties or electric cords, indicating execution.
Militants posted videos of some of the killings and kidnappings on victims’ social media pages, where friends and family watched. When militants forced their way into Noam Elyakim’s home, they shot him in the leg, then took his wife’s phone and livestreamed the family being taken hostage on Facebook. In another instance, Shay Shimoni saw a video posted by militants of her 75-year-old mother dead in a pool of blood. The Journal viewed both videos, which are no longer online.
New details about sexual violence also are emerging. Investigators initially found no rape survivors, but at least three women have since come forward to the Ministry of Welfare saying they experienced sexual violence, said Ayelet Razin Bet Or, a former government official helping with the investigation.
One witness saw militants gang rape a woman and then cut off her breast, according to police testimony viewed by the Journal. First responders said they saw signs of sexual violence, including women found naked or with their underwear pulled down or tops removed.
The Journal saw images taken by a first responder of a naked woman with a knife and three nails in the crotch area, women whose clothing was partially or entirely removed and women with blood from the crotch area. In another image provided by the first responder, a woman’s breast was almost entirely sliced off. Her shirt was ripped away and she had a knife wound in the neck. In two other photos a naked man was found gagged and shot and one photo showed a man’s eyeball had been removed.
Shari Mendes, 62, a reservist in the Israeli army who helped identify bodies after Oct. 7, said people were shot in the head so many times they were disfigured.
...Sexual assault
At the festival, Hamas militants began to sexually assault women, witnesses told the police. Fighters took women back to Gaza with them, and in one example, paraded the half-naked body of a female festival goer in the back of a pickup, according to a widely shared video on Telegram.
In a recording of a phone call that morning, militants driving in Israel cheered as one of them talked about raping a woman.
“I am going to f— her, I am going to f— her,” he told another person on the line, according to an unverified recording shared with the Journal by Israeli officials...
We also saw civilians spitting and hitting hostages. Kids beating another terrified kid. Yes civilians did commit crimes as well. They also entered israel that day. They also gave detailed infos on the kibbutzs while they were working in those kibbutzes.
unfortunately civilians in gaza a endoctrinated with jew hatred to a point where it’s hard to beleive it’s reversible although some did see the absurdity of this ideology and we can only hope others will
hamas needs to go… non other option
The videos of Ultra Orthodox Jew protesting against their own country serves as a useful reminder that Israel is a free and open society.
In contrast, Gaza and other Arab Muslim lands are governed by undemocratic, intolerant and oppressive governments. If those dissidents were in Gaza or other Arab lands and were protesting state policies, they would be swiftly arrested, jailed and maybe tortured and killed.
In contrast, Gaza and other Arab Muslim lands are governed by undemocratic, intolerant and oppressive governments. If those dissidents were in Gaza or other Arab lands and were protesting state policies, they would be swiftly arrested, jailed and maybe tortured and killed.
Israeli police beat anti-Zionist, ultra-Orthodox Jews
Video footage shows Israeli police beating and brutalising a number of anti-Zionist Jewish residents of the Jerusalem neighbourhood of Mea Shearim during a r...
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"In contrast, Gaza and other Arab Muslim lands are governed by undemocratic, intolerant and oppressive governments. If those dissidents were in Gaza or other Arab lands and were protesting state policies, they would be swiftly arrested, jailed and maybe tortured and killed."
Supported by Western policies, just a small reminder.
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An Arab blogger, Hoda Janat, writes:
Suddenly we discovered that in Gaza, where 2 million people live... there are 36 hospitals There are Arab countries with 30 million citizens that have this number of hospitals. Suddenly we discovered that Gaza receives free water, electricity, gas and fuel from Israel. Of course there is no Arab citizen who pays water, electricity and gas bills. We suddenly found out that Gaza receives 30 million dollars a month from Qatar alone and 120 million dollars a month from UNRA and $50 million in the European Union and $30 million in America. There are good Arab countries in debt and can't find anyone to help them, even with a million dollars. Suddenly we discovered that Gaza is not besieged, and all goods enter it, as do foreigners and those of foreign nationality. Most of them went to Egypt and from there to the rest of the world, and Papo is the great example. Suddenly we discovered that Gaza lives better than many Arab countries.
An Arab blogger, Hoda Janat, writes:
Suddenly we discovered that in Gaza, where 2 million people live... there are 36 hospitals There are Arab countries with 30 million citizens that have this number of hospitals. Suddenly we discovered that Gaza receives free water, electricity, gas and fuel from Israel. Of course there is no Arab citizen who pays water, electricity and gas bills. We suddenly found out that Gaza receives 30 million dollars a month from Qatar alone and 120 million dollars a month from UNRA and $50 million in the European Union and $30 million in America. There are good Arab countries in debt and can't find anyone to help them, even with a million dollars. Suddenly we discovered that Gaza is not besieged, and all goods enter it, as do foreigners and those of foreign nationality. Most of them went to Egypt and from there to the rest of the world, and Papo is the great example. Suddenly we discovered that Gaza lives better than many Arab countries.
Isr
It has taken a couple months for the extent of the atrocities committed by Hamas to be revealed. Dealing with 1200 victims takes time and many bodies were burned or disfigured, as the Wall Street Journal reports in the article below.
I fully understand why Israel must react to the Hamas attack by waging total war against Hamas and its followers--and by "followers" I mean most of the people of Gaza.
The people of Gaza put Hamas in charge and supported them along every step of the way to October 7. The Gazans took welfare payments from all over the world (especially Iran and Arab countries) and instead of using it to build a normal society, used the money to build tunnels, import weapons, launch rockets against Israeli civilians and brainwash their children and fellow citizens to follow a radical, Jew-hating, death-obsessed version of Islam.
They brought their misery on themselves and I have no sympathy for them. I hope Israel continues its war as long as necessary to teach the Gazans that they will never succeed in destroying Israel but that they will succeed in destroying their own society unless thery give up their own dysfunctional, backwards and self-destructive ideology.
Israel’s ‘Black Sabbath’: Murder, Sexual Violence and Torture on Oct. 7
Investigators build legal case documenting ‘systematic and unprecedented cruelty’ with echoes of Adolf Eichmann trial.
NIR OZ, Israel—Eitan Cunio heard the militants enter his house and watched as gasoline seeped under the door of the safe room where he sheltered with his wife and two children.
His 1-year-old daughter was crying as the family’s home in Kibbutz Nir Oz was set alight and smoke began entering the room. Cunio put wet sheets at the bottom of the door and told his family they would stay inside rather than be killed or kidnapped. If we die, we die together at home, he said.
Before passing out, Cunio sent a tearful voice note to a friend in his community: “Brother, it’s horrible. We are going to die.”
Months have passed since the October day Israelis call Black Sabbath, when Hamas-led militants rampaged into Israel from Gaza, an attack that officials say killed some 1,200 people and included acts of torture, mutilation and sexual violence. Israeli investigators are now using some 200,000 photographs and videos and 2,000 witness testimonies to reconstruct what happened, with an eye toward building a legal case against those responsible that would meet international standards and provide a definitive historical accounting of the Oct. 7 attack.
Reporters from The Wall Street Journal examined some of that evidence, supplemented with interviews of first responders, survivors, families of victims and forensic scientists, to document an attack that Israeli Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai described as “systematic and unprecedented in its cruelty.”
Forensic evidence shared with the Journal by Israeli officials shows some victims were burned alive after militants used accelerants to set fire to their homes. Photos viewed by the Journal taken by first responders on the scene show bodies were mutilated including the sex organs of both men and women. The bodies of women and girls showed various signs of sexual assault, and recently, at least three female survivors have come forward to say they experienced sexual violence on Oct. 7.
...Israel has identified about 800 dead civilians from Oct. 7, including 37 minors under the age of 17, six of whom were under 5. Some 25 people over the age of 80 were killed, including a 94-year-old woman, according to the prime minister’s office.
Hamas militants and others kidnapped roughly 250 people on Oct. 7, according to Israeli authorities.
Dead bodies were taken to an Israeli military base where they were processed and those that were unidentifiable sent to the National Center of Forensic Medicine, which took fingerprints, conducted X-rays and CT scans and removed tissue samples for DNA extraction.
Scans revealed signs of torture and execution, according to Dr. Chen Kugel, head of the forensics center. In some cases, the center found soot in the trachea, indicating people were burned alive as they inhaled smoke before bodies charred, he said. Others were burned after they were already dead.
One scan of blackened remains viewed by the Journal revealed two spines and two rib cages belonging to a child and an adult who were bound together with metal wire and burned alive, Kugel said. He added that more than 20 bodies were found with hands bound with zip ties or electric cords, indicating execution.
Militants posted videos of some of the killings and kidnappings on victims’ social media pages, where friends and family watched. When militants forced their way into Noam Elyakim’s home, they shot him in the leg, then took his wife’s phone and livestreamed the family being taken hostage on Facebook. In another instance, Shay Shimoni saw a video posted by militants of her 75-year-old mother dead in a pool of blood. The Journal viewed both videos, which are no longer online.
New details about sexual violence also are emerging. Investigators initially found no rape survivors, but at least three women have since come forward to the Ministry of Welfare saying they experienced sexual violence, said Ayelet Razin Bet Or, a former government official helping with the investigation.
One witness saw militants gang rape a woman and then cut off her breast, according to police testimony viewed by the Journal. First responders said they saw signs of sexual violence, including women found naked or with their underwear pulled down or tops removed.
The Journal saw images taken by a first responder of a naked woman with a knife and three nails in the crotch area, women whose clothing was partially or entirely removed and women with blood from the crotch area. In another image provided by the first responder, a woman’s breast was almost entirely sliced off. Her shirt was ripped away and she had a knife wound in the neck. In two other photos a naked man was found gagged and shot and one photo showed a man’s eyeball had been removed.
Shari Mendes, 62, a reservist in the Israeli army who helped identify bodies after Oct. 7, said people were shot in the head so many times they were disfigured.
...Sexual assault
At the festival, Hamas militants began to sexually assault women, witnesses told the police. Fighters took women back to Gaza with them, and in one example, paraded the half-naked body of a female festival goer in the back of a pickup, according to a widely shared video on Telegram.
In a recording of a phone call that morning, militants driving in Israel cheered as one of them talked about raping a woman.
“I am going to f— her, I am going to f— her,” he told another person on the line, according to an unverified recording shared with the Journal by Israeli officials...
Israeli police beat anti-Zionist, ultra-Orthodox Jews
Video footage shows Israeli police beating and brutalising a number of anti-Zionist Jewish residents of the Jerusalem neighbourhood of Mea Shearim during a r...
"In contrast, Gaza and other Arab Muslim lands are governed by undemocratic, intolerant and oppressive governments. If those dissidents were in Gaza or other Arab lands and were protesting state policies, they would be swiftly arrested, jailed and maybe tortured and killed."
Supported by Western policies, just a small reminder.
A brief video of Israeli police cracking a few heads of ultra-Orthodox Jews proves absolutely nothing. They were probably doing something illegal or had resisted an order from police to disburse. Nothing bad happened to them-they were not arresed,, tortured and killed as would happen to protestors in Gaza and most Arab countries or in Iran.
Those people are a tiny minority of Jews in Israel and their objection to Israel is purely based on obscure interpretations of Jewish scripture. In their extremism, they are not much different than Muslims in Gaza-except they don't control the government of a whole country based on their radical religious beliefs (as Hamas does). They also don't commit acts of terrorism against Muslims or their fellow Jews. Most of all, their objection to the country of Israel is not out of any sympathy for the Palestinians-they couldn't care less about them.
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As for Western support of countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, it's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils--either the U.S. supports its friends like Israel, Saudi Arabia and Egypt or enemies of the West like Iran, Russia, China and the Muslim Brotherhood will dominate the Middle East.
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Ironically most of the Orthodox/ultra conservative Jews do not share the same opinions and views as some of these protesters who had their heads cracked. Most of them are extremely pro-Zionist and expansionist nutcases. They are also a small minority but a vocal and dangerous one within Israel, and responsible for some shenanigans in the West Bank. Like the protesters who got their heads knocked, they are far from the mainstream in Israel. They are just a small group of religious zealots with extreme views. Many Israelis view them as troublemakers, politically speaking, and do not share their views on anything.
This is the current state of world politics and conflicts:
Russia: the civilian population in Palestine can’t be bombed, but in Ukraine it can.
Turkey: 4M Palestinians have the right to their own state, but 40M Kurds do not.
Egypt: we worry about the Palestinians, but we won’t let them in.
Syria: we don’t allow journalists so no one cares about the 300000 sunnis we killed with Iran help
Houthis of Yemen: our country is in complete devastation, but we will fight Israel.
Western leftists & LGBT activists: Palestinians are wonderful peaceful people, but we won’t go to them, they’ll kill us there.
Hamas: we should not take care of the residents of Gaza, let the UN take care of them
The hypocrisy is unsustainable.
Russia: the civilian population in Palestine can’t be bombed, but in Ukraine it can.
Turkey: 4M Palestinians have the right to their own state, but 40M Kurds do not.
Egypt: we worry about the Palestinians, but we won’t let them in.
Syria: we don’t allow journalists so no one cares about the 300000 sunnis we killed with Iran help
Houthis of Yemen: our country is in complete devastation, but we will fight Israel.
Western leftists & LGBT activists: Palestinians are wonderful peaceful people, but we won’t go to them, they’ll kill us there.
Hamas: we should not take care of the residents of Gaza, let the UN take care of them
The hypocrisy is unsustainable.
Certain posters in this thread have, much like ostriches, stuck their heads in the sand in order to be oblivious to the assorted hypocrisies of those who support the so called Palestinian cause, which you have exposed. The truth is that in the desert, there is plenty of sand into which they can stick their heads. While they do that, we can continue to look at the reality of what lies above the sand.
The hard truth is that every palestinian supporter supports also hamas’s end goal wich is wiping of Israel and jews
Just look at how they draw the map of a eventual palestinian state, how they turn a blind eye on hamas charter and how they try to intimidate Jewish people in our country.
Frankly I would be more supportive of the palestinian people if they were less hypocritical, more realistic in a viable solution for both and at least not celebrating rapes and murders.
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The moronic President of Harvard has resigned, not because of her attempt to bullshit Congress about her anti-semitism, but rather due to her lying and plagiarism that were used to advance her into the Presidency of Harvard, a position she has since proved is way, way, way over her head:
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Good riddance! I just hope that the Harvard board doesn't cave to the financial pressure of losing hundreds of millions of dollars from Jewish donors by hiring a Jewish president friendly to the Israeli cause, as this would be the ultimate hypocrisy. I suspect they want that money back on the table however, and while it would be nice if they could send bills to a couple of posters in this thread, they cannot.
Claudine Gay resigns the presidency of Harvard University amid plagiarism allegations
Claudine Gay said Tuesday she was resigning the presidency of Harvard University. Gay faced harsh criticism over the school's response to antisemitic incidents as well as an ongoing plagiarism scandal.
While Israeli intelligence services failed miserably to detect the Hamas terror attack of October 7, they have bounced back nicely since then.
Today's targeted killing of a Hamas leader (Saleh al-Arouri, deputy chairman of Hamas' political bureau and the commander of the group's military wing in the West Bank) in Beirut was a masterful stroke and the fulfillment of a promise made a month ago to hunt down and kill Hamas leaders wherever they are hiding. Well done by the Mossad!
Message to Hamas leaders: don't sleep in the same place two nights in a row.
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Today's targeted killing of a Hamas leader (Saleh al-Arouri, deputy chairman of Hamas' political bureau and the commander of the group's military wing in the West Bank) in Beirut was a masterful stroke and the fulfillment of a promise made a month ago to hunt down and kill Hamas leaders wherever they are hiding. Well done by the Mossad!
Message to Hamas leaders: don't sleep in the same place two nights in a row.
WSJ News Exclusive | Israel Plans to Kill Hamas Leaders Around the World After War
The nation’s top spy agencies intend to hunt down militants living in Lebanon, Turkey and Qatar.
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Top Hamas leader Saleh Arouri killed in Beirut explosion
Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas’ military wing, had headed the group’s presence in the West Bank. Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had threatened to kill him even b…
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