We can say the same with the israelian leadership.The Palestinian leadership and their backers do not and have not ever wanted peace, period and end of story. So your so called pragmatic simple solution is nonsense and non-reality. This notion that the Palestinian leadership and their backers have ever wanted anything other than the eradication of Israel as a State is a myth. That's the agenda.
You are not educated on the conflict. Time to get the education you are lacking:What is Israel doing to have peace ? War and war ?
I am sufficiently educated on the subject.You are not educated on the conflict. Time to get the education you are lacking:
The Middle East Problem | PragerU
The Middle East conflict is framed as one of the most complex problems in the world. But, in reality, it's very simple. Israelis want to live in peace and…www.prageru.com
Please stop posting nonsense that show the board how totally ignorant you are! You never heard of the Jewish Diaspora???? Please educate yourself!!!!! The above is completely meaningless nonsense in light of the Diaspora and its propagated by Anti-Semites of which you appear to be a Poster Boy:
I am bringing you facts from reliable sources.Please stop posting nonsense that show the board how totally ignorant you are! You never heard of the Jewish Diaspora???? Please educate yourself!!!!! The above is completely meaningless nonsense in light of the Diaspora and its propagated by Anti-Semites of which you appear to be a Poster Boy:
Jewish diaspora - Wikipedia
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3) The Palestinians and their Arab allies have missed numerous chances to establish a state for the Palestinians. Arab countries, with the full support of the Palestinian people, went to war against Israel three times (1948, 1967 and 1973) in an attempt to eliminate it and they lost all three times. After those wars, Israel was ready to allow the establishment of a Palestinian state but the Palestinians demonstrated that they preferred leaders who would wage war against Israel, Jews and the West. Israel made important concessions such as evacuating Gaza in 2005. What they got in return was daily rocket attacks for years and then the massacre of October 7. Now a majority of Israelis no longer support the idea of a state for the Palestinians under any circumstances and I don't blame them.3) Tell me why it is a good thing for the jewish people to have a state but not the Palestinian people. Do you oppose the creation of a palestinian state as the UN suggested ?
4) What do you think of the UN resolutions on the subject of a peace treaty / ceasefire / ?
...the intentions of Hamas, as declared in their founding charter, and as they have reiterated numerous times since October 7th, are explicit: They aspire to commit an actual genocide. This is something they proudly claim to want to do. And the worst part is that they don’t ultimately care about their own survival. Members of Hamas, like jihadists everywhere, routinely chant, “We love death more than the Jews, or the infidels, or the Americans, love life.” While this might sound like posturing, and it may be posturing for any specific person who lacks real faith, in general, it is an honest expression of their religious worldview. They are a death cult. And Hamas is a death cult that happens to be very popular among Palestinians. Even though Hamas has engineered a situation in which to fight them effectively requires that Palestinian civilians also die.
How about giving back the stolen land after having concluded the hamas eradication ?3) The Palestinians and their Arab allies have missed numerous chances to establish a state for the Palestinians. Arab countries, with the full support of the Palestinian people, went to war against Israel three times (1948, 1967 and 1973) in an attempt to eliminate it and they lost all three times. After those wars, Israel was ready to allow the establishment of a Palestinian state but the Palestinians demonstrated that they preferred leaders who would wage war against Israel, Jews and the West. Israel made important concessions such as evacuating Gaza in 2005. What they got in return was daily rocket attacks for years and then the massacre of October 7. Now a majority of Israelis no longer support the idea of a state for the Palestinians under any circumstances and I don't blame them.
4) I don't respect anything the UN says about Israel. It criticizes Israel far more than any other country despite the terrible human rights records of many other countries. It's solely up to Israel and Hamas to negotiate a settlement to the war. Hamas wants to keep fighting, so Israel fights back. It has no choice against an enemy like Hamas that is dedicated to the annihilation of Israel.
Sam Harris | 5 Myths about Israel and the War in Gaza
Transcript of podcast episode #351www.samharris.org
3) The Palestinians and their Arab allies have missed numerous chances to establish a state for the Palestinians. Arab countries, with the full support of the Palestinian people, went to war against Israel three times (1948, 1967 and 1973) in an attempt to eliminate it and they lost all three times. After those wars, Israel was ready to allow the establishment of a Palestinian state but the Palestinians demonstrated that they preferred leaders who would wage war against Israel, Jews and the West. Israel made important concessions such as evacuating Gaza in 2005. What they got in return was daily rocket attacks for years and then the massacre of October 7. Now a majority of Israelis no longer support the idea of a state for the Palestinians under any circumstances and I don't blame them.
4) I don't respect anything the UN says about Israel. It criticizes Israel far more than any other country despite the terrible human rights records of many other countries. It's solely up to Israel and Hamas to negotiate a settlement to the war. Hamas wants to keep fighting, so Israel fights back. It has no choice against an enemy like Hamas that is dedicated to the annihilation of Israel.
Sam Harris | 5 Myths about Israel and the War in Gaza
Transcript of podcast episode #351www.samharris.org
Let’s say that the premises of non recognizing the UN partition plan in 1947 and being obsessed with that idea of eradicating Israel from the very beginning should be pit in the equationAnd don’t start the antisemitism shit. I am not antisemit. I am bringing my point of view.
Now please can you do a follow up on this :
Now one more time:
1) do you support the illegal settlements ?
2) Are you aware that the arab states lime Bahrein, UAE, Morocco etc normalized their diplomatic ties with Israel ? And that Saudi Arabia is in the process ?
3) Tell me why it is a good thing for the jewish people to have a state but not the Palestinian people. Do you oppose the creation of a palestinian state as the UN suggested ?
4) What do you think of the UN resolutions on the subject of a peace treaty / ceasefire / ?
A Christian just waiting for you answers in order to better understand you point of view.
Bingo Bingo Bingo!Let’s say that the premises of non recognizing the UN partition plan in 1947 and being obsessed with that idea of eradicating Israel from the very beginning should be pit in the equation
Let’s recognize that this obsession has generated many offensive wars that were lost by arabs
Let’s admit that when you declare war and you loose you loose land
Let’s realize that Israel has historically given land for peace (Egypt-Jordan)
Let’s admit that Many offers for Palestinians state have been simply rejected by them
Don’t firget Israel gave All Gaza back for free … and don’t give me the bull shit open air prison.
They received billion in aid and used it to teach hate to their children, build tunnels and rockets and put the rest in their own pockets living the life in quatar with private jeta and high end escorts.
Admit that hamas and other Palestinian group don’t want peace with Israel and will never recognise it
Maybe if they start but changing their river to the sea mantra they could have a state