Has anyone experienced this scam/dick move?

[Carmine Falcone]

Thanks to screening, we sometimes have to share our phone numbers. Thanks to that, twice in the last three years with the second time being this week, I've gotten a text from an unknown number threatening to inform my spouse that I'm visiting SPs.

The first one came with a way to avoid telling my wife if I paid $1000. The one that came this week didn't even want money, but went straight to including my wife in the group text saying I've been hanging out with "hookers." What the two different senders didn't know is I'm no longer married, but imagine if I was. An SP once told me the text is usually from a SP trying to shake down clients, so by pure statistics this has probably happened to someone who is still married. As I already noted, the text that arrived this week didn't even ask for money.

My ex-wife told me she got both texts. The text from a few years ago actually first went to her sister, not her. People are the worst.

 

[PSEfreak]

There was another thread recently about LL and bad experiences.
I experienced exactly what you did and like you I am divorced.
They threated to notify my "wif", I said go ahead and gave them her number. They never did contact her or I would have heard about it.

Question:

How were they able to include her in a group text? How did they get her info?

 

[CaptRenault]

Thanks to screening, we sometimes have to share our phone numbers...

That's one of the problems/dangers of seeing indies. When you use an agency, the escorts don't get your number. I would rather share my number with an agency booker than with an indy. Since I always use agencies in Montreal, this has never happened to me.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

There was another thread recently about LL and bad experiences.
I experienced exactly what you did and like you I am divorced.
They threated to notify my "wif", I said go ahead and gave them her number. They never did contact her or I would have heard about it.

Question:

How were they able to include her in a group text? How did they get her info?

I laughed at the first scammer and told them to go ahead, but had that happened just a few months earlier it would have been a headache. If one was actually innocent, how do you prove a negative?

I didn't reply to the text from this week. My ex learned about first one from her sister, but we never discussed it until today.

To answer your question of how they found my ex-wife's info, pretty sure background checks on internet mention related people too. I've gotten texts here and there that actually used my brothers' names and not mine. It's a jungle out there.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

That's one of the problems/dangers of seeing indies. When you use an agency, the escorts don't get your number. I would rather share my number with an agency booker than with an indy. Since I always use agencies in Montreal, this has never happened to me.

You're 100% correct, sadly. If it's not from the indie herself, my info was from the indie for sure. Both happened right after I contacted indies (that I still know who they are).

Also, thanks to ease of generating phone numbers, looking up who created first number didn't yield anything with a simple search. I suppose there are other investigative tools, but other than revenge it's not worth the hassle. But goddamn, I understand revenge because what's the point of causing so much chaos?

 

[urquell]

I usually advocate never doing any screening whatsoever other than personal referrals, which I'm happy to provide, but I understand that not everyone has the same risk tolerances and/or focus on individual SPs. I feel the same way about deposits, knowing that it's just a question of when, and not if, you will lose. With respect to the phone number stuff the easiest and safest way to share one is to use a monger phone with nothing else on it. It's pretty cheap and safe to use if that's all that's required, as is the case with many MPs/SPs. Unfortunately the only way to avoid giving out ID info is simply to refuse to provide it. I can think of no good reason for any of the guys to provide any personal ID that includes any personal info whatsoever, and you will get none in return, of course. Speaking for myself only if someone insists that this info be provided I simply move on to the next option.

Having said that, and this has been discussed before, there's very valid reasons from the ladies' standpoint as to why they should ask for this info for their personal safety. At the end of the day it all comes down to personal preferences and individual risk tolerance, as well as deciding where your personal priorities are with respect to safety, both yours and the SPs.

 

[Flabert]

I usually advocate never doing any screening whatsoever other than personal referrals, which I'm happy to provide, but I understand that not everyone has the same risk tolerances and/or focus on individual SPs. I feel the same way about deposits, knowing that it's just a question of when, and not if, you will lose. With respect to the phone number stuff the easiest and safest way to share one is to use a monger phone with nothing else on it. It's pretty cheap and safe to use if that's all that's required, as is the case with many MPs/SPs. Unfortunately the only way to avoid giving out ID info is simply to refuse to provide it. I can think of no good reason for any of the guys to provide any personal ID that includes any personal info whatsoever, and you will get none in return, of course. Speaking for myself only if someone insists that this info be provided I simply move on to the next option.

Having said that, and this has been discussed before, there's very valid reasons from the ladies' standpoint as to why they should ask for this info for their personal safety. At the end of the day it all comes down to personal preferences and individual risk tolerance, as well as deciding where your personal priorities are with respect to safety, both yours and the SPs.

I use a second phone and would never share id. Never had issues described by op.

Another trick I have is I use hotmail addresses for this and online dating and blocked hotmail on my real phone and work computer. Learned the hard way a spouse or friend can take a browser and accidentally end up in an open email account.

The one scam I experienced was an agency provider (who handed out her contact so I saw her indy) stole some items from my place. She still works but seems less popular now.

Be careful when you bring people home

 

[Giselle Montreal]

That's one of the problems/dangers of seeing indies. When you use an agency, the escorts don't get your number. I would rather share my number with an agency booker than with an indy. Since I always use agencies in Montreal, this has never happened to me.

As if a booker can't go rogue and steal the client list to shake down every one on it.

There are independents, and there are scammers. We don't belong in the same catogery. Don't blame the honest, hard workers if you fell on scammers on a shady site, it's not warranted.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

As if a booker can't go rogue and steal the client list to shake down every one on it.

There are independents, and there are scammers. We don't belong in the same catogery. Don't blame the honest, hard workers if you fell on scammers on a shady site, it's not warranted.

That's the sad truth, Giselle: there are independents who can be scammers or pass info to scammers.

There's no reason for me to believe the incident that happened this week came from the indie herself. Not only have we not met yet, but as I said the sender of the text didn't attempt to blackmail me.

Now, the first incident I'm 100% confident came from the SP herself or with her knowledge. The appointment itself went fine. I remembered her complaining about my stamina for the second round, but that was it. It was only when I messaged afterwards to thank her for a good time (something I always do if I had a better-than-usual time and always get some sort of reply) that she didn't respond AND turned down my okay on a screening site (the only one to do so out of 40+ interactions) that I knew something was off.

As for what was "off," I don't know. I'm not blacklisted as I've seen many more indie SPs in US and Montreal since then.

I got the blackmail text a week later. Unlike the one this week, I actually responded. Part of my response was to go to police because the sender was harassing me. I later got an email with a screenshot with my info (phone number with an old address of mine) showing someone had filled out a complaint form on the police department website. I spent weeks wondering if the police was going to contact me, but nothing happened--thankfully. It was only this week that I learned the sender followed through with the threat but indirectly. Sender sent text to my wife's sister and my wife was ultimately informed.

SP definitely had both my email and phone number. She's still working. My strong suspicion that it was her was confirmed by another SP just mentioning in passing some SPs do what happened to me to shake people down; I didn't even bring up what happened to me. If another SP can casually mention it, it means this happens from time to time. Even some SPs who are otherwise legit will use the shadowy nature of the business to try to get an advantage when they can.

 

[CoolAmadeus]

Something similar happened to me, but that was many Many years ago, when I was still active. It was a guy, out of nowhere, who started to threaten me after I went to an appointment with an Indy, and the Indy never showed up. He supposedly managed to get my plate number, and asked me money…. I exchanged a few texts, but at some point I just blocked him, when I realized he was bluffing. I was scared to death it would come back haunting me soon after, but it ended right there…. He didn’t have anything on me except (maybe) my plate number, which he didn’t confirm with the number. But it was nothing to do with my wife or wife sister…. That’s’ awfully bad!!!

Bottom line: Always use a SEPARATE phone number for your activities (TextMe, Fongo, or similar services, if you don’t want a second physical phone), and never give ANY personal info up front. Never ever send money transfer by Interac either, as the receiver will also get an email from the bank with your real name on it, something we don’t necessarily think about at first.

Precautions don’t end with the use of a condom, but start wayyyyyy before that!

CA

 

[LeafsSuck]

You might want to reply to the extortionist that you are bringing LE into this. The penalties in Quebec are severe. Minimum 5 years in prison and maximum life.

 

[bodick7]

As if a booker can't go rogue and steal the client list to shake down every one on it.

There are independents, and there are scammers. We don't belong in the same catogery. Don't blame the honest, hard workers if you fell on scammers on a shady site, it's not warranted.

I guess all these phone numbers from inactive clients has the potential to be a source of additional revenue (for individual or organized crime). If they can fraud with anything they have in hand, they will do.
The only thing that will stop them is the amount of resource needed to fraud and maybe agency reputation (if still active).

 

[Mature Andee]

I believe that the number of providers who actually see clients and then try to extort them later is very low. Most of these type of scams happen when a client contacts a provider for information or an appointment and doesn’t actually see them because they may or may not even be real. Often there is no girl it’s just someone collecting client info so they can later come back with something like you wasted my girls time so now you have to pay.

That is why if you use your real email address or your real phone number they can sometimes get other information about you to try to intimidate you into paying.