High End Myth

[Sol Tee Nutz]

There really isn't much of an HDH industry in Montreal any more.

Now this is just my opinion... With agencies like Euphoria for looks and service would any HDH agency be needed? Unless you are a person who wants to take a SP out with a little more age to them and able to talk about climate change ( bahahaha ) or ancient artifacts ( Not saying that these lovely ladies could not ) and not want to be seen with a 20 yr old at a dinner, what more could you ask for with the agencies in Montreal.
You have Euphoria, XXXtase, Elite, Vogue, MTLGFE and more..... If you can not find someone out of these agencies........ . Not to leave the indys out, many many fabulous ladies at IndyCompanions that should fit anyones requirements.

 

[freedom3]

The HDH capitals of North America are NYC, LA, Vegas, and Toronto.

What are the HDH agencies in Toronto? I live here and I don't know of any.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Now this is just my opinion... With agencies like Euphoria for looks and service would any HDH agency be needed?

In Montreal, it's not needed. In other venues, like NYC, it's all HDH, comparatively speaking, and really good HDH starts at $700-$800 and goes up from there. As I mentioned previously, there is a significant HDH UTR network in NYC- involving models, playmates, actresses etc.

There are also some significantly well reviewed "market price" clubs, operating very UTR, incall bar setups, almost all the girls are minorities or foreigners (native blacks and latinas, South Americans, EEs) for $300-$500 per hour. The New York Times even did a significant cover story on one of them a few years ago, and the report was heavily criticized for giving way too many clues as to the location of the club.

 

[EagerBeaver]

What are the HDH agencies in Toronto? I live here and I don't know of any.

They are based elsewhere and tour to Toronto. Two known to Montreal hobbyists are FKS and Montreal Girlfriends. They would be considered HDH by Montreal standards, although perhaps not by TO standards.

The HDH agencies operating elsewhere are not agencies in the same sense. They are bookers connected to models, actresses, playmates, operating UTR, not available to the public and not advertising to the public. They are referral based only. This business model is the common very high end business model used in NYC, LA, Vegas, Miami as well. Full facial pics and portfolios available only to established, referral based clients. Unless you see and get referred by a model, you do not exist on their radar. There is no website. Just a booker who gets connected and her portfolios. The ladies available change every week in every city.

 

[Marie Montreal]

We should not be compare to cars because we are not a product, we offer a service and we operate in the wild wild west not in a regulated market.

We offer a service just like designer, dentist, garagist, etc:
Some interior designers charge 20$/h for their services, these designers usually work for places like Réno Dépot. Others charge a minimum of 300$/h for a consultation, they usually service the elite and are recommanded by high end stores. The latters tend to be graduates from the best design schools, the Réno Dépot ones benefit from minimal scholarship usually provided by professionnal school or scam private colleges.

The market we operate in is not regulated:
The esorting world does not benefit from stategists expertise, market studies, MBA consultants, etc. It is an illegal field of work, it's the wild wild west, anyone can do whatever they want.

The service providers intention:
You have to consider that many women enter the business with a goal in mind which often is making as much money as possible in a short period of time. This impact their rates more than their looks, education, naughtiness and blow job skills. Some women have a day job, they do escorting on the side, they are looking for a little extra to treat themself so they have no problem with seeing just a few clients a month, they can charge 800$ for a hour if they want, there are rich guys who will pay for it hoping they will get a diamond. If it's not a diamond, they don't care, they will still have millions in their bank account so enough cash to call another SP right after the first one leaves their room.

Quality ratings:
Just like, per exemple, a psychologue or a therapist, there is a question of personnality, personnal needs, personnal taste and connection. The rates of an escort such as the ones of a therapist can never be a guarantee that there will be a connection between the client and the service provider. Plus, with escorts, we are talking of a very particular service. For some, a woman with fake everything is gold, for others, it's trashy. For some, an all natural woman who dresses discretly sounds ordinary, for others, it's what class is all about. For others, it's mainly about the "menu". Quality in that business is hard to define.

Review boards are providing some information on escorts services quality but they are used by a minorities of clients and tend to be by patrons who are looking for a similar style of woman and experience. Most guys don,t look at them, don't trust them or don't even know they exist.

Analogies of escorts to products such as wine, cars, skis, sound system or any other products are for all the reasons mentionned above simply wrong.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Lou Simone,

In reality the client is not thinking about any of the things you mentioned, which may be valid comparisons to what an escort does, but has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. This thread isn't about what is or isn't a valid comparison, it's about where a client's extra disposable cash is going to be spent. Guys are not thinking about dropping $500 extra cash on an interior designer, or a dentist (unless they have a toothache) or therapists (unless they have an issue that requires urgent attention). Don't you care where your clients might spend that extra disposable cash, if not on you? I would think that an SP would be concerned about how men with extra cash think about how and where they will spend that cash. Guys think about cars, clothes, electronics, etc., all the things mentioned in this thread. My extra cash goes to the things that make me happy. For me it's mostly women, but also I do like a nice bottle of wine, I do have to wear nice clothes, I do like eating out at nice restaurants, some other guys need to spend money skiing or on whatever other hobby they have. This is the reality of how men live and think- they spend money on what makes them happy. Someone else mentioned hanging on to their BMW because it gave him joy, I let mine go because it didn't, and the result was I see 2 more escorts a month and that is what makes me happy. For other people here it may be different, but they have to do the analysis and decide how to spend their extra cash. This is exactly how guys think about spending extra money on an HDH escort as opposed to other things. I know because I have had many conversations with guy friends about it, in fact 6 hours worth with 2 friends recently driving back from Montreal.

 

[Marie Montreal]

You really don't get what I am saying... Is high end a myth or not? That was the question. I answered that it's hard to say for the reasons I mentionned. Easy to say that a BMW is high end, it's a regulated product. We offer a service not a product and it is hard to evaluate our service for the reasons I mention.

BTW, many guys can afford both the BMW and escorts, jsut as much as they want. You are not all cients.

 

[BookerL]

For other people here it may be different, but they have to do the analysis and decide how to spend their extra cash. This is exactly how guys think about spending extra money on an HDH escort as opposed to other things.

Hello EB and all


Disposable income/cash


Having been in this industry for a long time ,many situation I went trough showed me ,that a vast majority of escorts clients ,where not reasonable guys financial .


One anecdote that I remember distinctively because the client was Booking escorts from a good friend Booker .

Is long time wife had just died she had a half a million insurance policy .
The client spent $ 5,000 a week sometimes 10 k until he finally got Broke .What is worst is that I am aware of others ,it is not isolated situation

Other clients where spending ,there welfare ,unemployment cheque ,credit card advance ,borrowing money from to see escorts ,not paying there rent ,there is many sad sad story out there .


To believe that all escorts clients are financially responsible ,is a distorted view of the reality.

Some guys are really caught in a financial swirl ,that they cannot get out until they are ruined .

BTW, many guys can afford both the BMW and escorts, jsut as much as they want. You are not all cients.

Obviously
There is different situations in this industry .
The bulk of escorts clients doesn't necessarily come from escort forums also

Cheers




Booker

 

[EagerBeaver]

BookerL,

I suspect that there are some financially irresponsible people out there. If you don't think about the amount of your car payment and how reducing it might enable you to see more escorts, or reducing other unnecessary expenses and how they might enable more encounters, then it's probably because you are living beyond your means to begin with. I never ran balances on any of my credit cards and my credit rating is something like 820. I pay my mortgage, my condo charges, all utilities and credit cards and never late and never had to borrow money from anyone to pay off debts. Having a steady income and a good job is a key, and if you get occasional bonuses as I do, you can then take a weekend trip you weren't planning on and enjoy some new ladies.

I have seen a few guys on MERB come and go, will not mention them by name but one of them was hobbying nonstop in Montreal for 2 years straight and then suddenly disappeared. I heard the money ran out on him, frankly I also think he was getting high off recreational drugs a little more than he needed to, and this probably caused the income to run dry (he was in the financial industry and since I have some younger friends in that industry and observe how they live, that lifestyle will burn out a certain amount of people rapidly).

I lasted 23 plus years in my business partly because my basic skills and work ethic are good, partly because of luck in fitting in well where I have worked, and partly because of survival skills in this particular milieu. But if the job ended, I got fired or whatever, obviously it would all grind to a halt, unless I dip into an IRA between jobs, which I would probably be afraid to do. Fear of financial ruin is healthy, and enables the analysis I have endorsed in this thread.

 

[jalimon]

You really don't get what I am saying... Is high end a myth or not? That was the question. I answered that it's hard to say for the reasons I mentionned. Easy to say that a BMW is high end, it's a regulated product. We offer a service not a product and it is hard to evaluate our service for the reasons I mention.

BTW, many guys can afford both the BMW and escorts, jsut as much as they want. You are not all cients.

Dear Lou, true many guys can afford both but many do not but still can afford the luxury of seing escort. It is a luxury (at all prices) for all, it's a pleasure of life and not a first necessity needs. Life is about choice. Choice is making decision between things. Do not get offended because we made analogy between cars, wine, nice watches and escort. There is nothing to be offended here. It's only a mather of choice. I prefer escort, some prefer bmw (and some prefer bbw hehe just kidding )

Cheers,

 

[BookerL]

I lasted 23 plus years in my business partly because my basic skills and work ethic are good, partly because of luck in fitting in well where I have worked, and partly because of survival skills in this particular milieu. But if the job ended, I got fired or whatever, obviously it would all grind to a halt, unless I dip into an IRA between jobs, which I would probably be afraid to do. Fear of financial ruin is healthy, and enables the analysis I have endorsed in this thread.

Hello EB and all


I did not take aim at anyone and certainly not you ,I do enjoy reading your hobbyist comments/views .
But there is many escorts clients that fits the none financial responsible depiction ,sadly !




Cheers


Booker

 

[gugu]

Lou, don't take the comparaison literally. We are not asking if an high end escort has more buttons than a lower end car.

EB, is simply talking about consumer preferences. The question is where does the consumer prefer to spend his money at a certain moment in time. He could have used travelling, wine or an afternoon stay at a spa with all the massage services. If there is a specific, here, it is that for the comparaison to make sense, it should be with a luxury good or service. True, some clients sacrifice basic needs. In this last case, however, he is more likely to spend on a lower end escort.

The real question of this thread IMHO, was: if the client chooses to spend money for an escort meeting, will he get more if he trades with a high end escort compared to the typical 200-250$ Montréal escort.

I think Booker has the best answer. In economics it's called a Veblen good (a service would be the same) or a positional good. These goods, or services, confort the buyers in their social ranking. This is the fantasy he is talking about.

 

[EagerBeaver]

BTW, many guys can afford both the BMW and escorts, jsut as much as they want. You are not all cients.

Lou, with all due respect, these clients are showing you what they want you to see. Unless you also have seen their bank ledgers and financial statements and tax returns, then for all we know you are talking about the same "crash and burn" clients that BookerL discussed in his posts above. Anyone can live like this for a year or two, go into massive debt and bankruptcy etc. The clients who are for real have sustained a lifestyle which included escorts and all the other things for 10-15 plus years.

I happen to represent foreclosure clients. Some of them have income issues and some have spending issues. I have one client who is actually a bookkeeper/office manager for a local company making $90,000 a year. Her husband's failing business is making around $15,000 net per year. $105,000 a year should be sufficient for someone living in a $150,000 house and supporting 3 kids. But it's not and its because they cannot control credit card debt. Complete financial irresponsibility and now they are defending a mortgage foreclosure and 3 credit card company lawsuits which have resulted in judgments and judgment liens on the property. When I advised the client that the judgment liens are a big problem in trying to resolve the mortgage foreclosure issue, her response to me was "oh [husband] was supposed to have paid those off." Well, husband didn't pay it off and I can't make your mortgage foreclosure go away with a snap of my fingers. 6 months later I get a call from the credit card company's attorney and it still isn't paid off although it's not a huge lien and I know my client has the income to pay it off. She is a lady who already filed bankruptcy once and will be using a bankruptcy every 7 years. Fortunately 7 years passed since the last one and you will be seeing her in bankruptcy court soon.

Strangest part of it is that some local company entrusted their finances to this woman who cannot even manage her own debt despite a household income of $105,000. It's just crazy financial recklessness. Crash and burn people do not count. They are not for real and unless you see all their financials you don't know what the full picture is.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

The real question of this thread IMHO, was: if the client chooses to spend money for an escort meeting, will he get more if he trades with a high end escort compared to the typical 200-250$ Montréal escort.

AS EB stated, with the quality of $180 - $250 escorts in Montreal HDH escorts here are for a certain niche. It can be seen on the reviews that many are very pleased with the going average rate 180-250 and spending 400+ looks like it is excessive. There have been gems found at $160 and the reviews were great, now if that lady upped her wardrobe and professional makeup and charged $400 with the same service would it make some feel better? Probably. Personally even if I had millions in the bank I do not think I would pay 300+ per hour for an escort, my needs are not there for it.
I have a meeting with a well reviewed SP tomorrow and her rate is $160. I am pretty sure I will have a great time even at that rate.

 

[sexdor]

Like EB and others, I have been on this board a long time and the Blue Board before and I too have seen many people come and go. I mention this more as a red flag to some members that if you think you have a problem, you probably do and could end up loosing everything in the end.

As for the topic:
I think it is a myth. I think people believe by spending more they have a greater value or service or return.
The SP can charge 500$ and hour or $1000 an hour or whatever she wants. BMW can charge whatever they want for their car. They price it according to the market. As someone correctly pointed out a car is a product and we are discussing a service albeit as it may it somewhat fits as a comparison. I also think 95% of the people "get it" that we are not comparing SPs to cars or wine or whatever.

I can go into a Pub and listen to live music and have great conversation and a nice whiskey or a Pint. I can also go into a chic bar and spend 3 times the amount on a drink and have a materialistic atmosphere.
If we took a sample group of 100 clients lets say and put 50 of them in the Pub and the other 50 in the upscale Club and then at the end of evening measured there 'happiness ' or enjoyment factor the results would probably be pretty similar.
The only difference is the Pub bill was 1/4 the bill of the Club.
So I think its just a myth. I don't go into divey run down bars for cheap beer but I don't think I have spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars in a club either for pretty much the exact same drink either.
Having said all that, in the end its up to the client to spend his discretionary income as he sees fit.

 

[BookerL]

Hello sexdor and all

As for the topic:
I think it is a myth. I think people believe by spending more they have a greater value or service or return.
The SP can charge 500$ and hour or $1000 an hour or whatever she wants. BMW can charge whatever they want for their car. They price it according to the market. As someone correctly pointed out a car is a product and we are discussing a service albeit as it may it somewhat fits as a comparison. I also think 95% of the people "get it" that we are not comparing SPs to cars or wine or whatever.

I can go into a Pub and listen to live music and have great conversation and a nice whiskey or a Pint. I can also go into a chic bar and spend 3 times the amount on a drink and have a materialistic atmosphere.
If we took a sample group of 100 clients lets say and put 50 of them in the Pub and the other 50 in the upscale Club and then at the end of evening measured there 'happiness ' or enjoyment factor the results would probably be pretty similar.
The only difference is the Pub bill was 1/4 the bill of the Club.
So I think its just a myth. I don't go into divey run down bars for cheap beer but I don't think I have spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars in a club either for pretty much the exact same drink either.
Having said all that, in the end its up to the client to spend his discretionary income as he sees fit.

Most of the people commenting ,high- end forgets that there is a difference between using high-end with regrets and using high- end with no regrets

In EB illustration which is excellent by the way

BookerL,



I typically lease my vehicles and I have flip flopped between market and HDH vehicles. I did have a BMW for 3 years and that was the best car I have ever driven. It was a 3 series all wheel drive- the car was a rocket and extremely well engineered. I paid twice as much for that car as the one I am leasing now. The analysis for me is whether I would rather spend the extra money on HDH cars or HDH women. Women win that competition every time. The BMW was costing me 2 extra escorts per month. I would rather have the two extra sessions than the more glamorous ride. That was why I didn't lease another one plain and simple. But the BMW is still by far the best car I ever owned. It just comes down to a question of where your priorities are in disposable income. Women win in my case. Every time. And these days the budget is not just escorts but seeking arrangements.

It's all coming down to a personal decision as to quality and quantity. But I mix up my HDH and LDL escorts and I would rather have more of both than HDH cars, watches, and even clothes. Although I bought a light blue sports coat yesterday and I do wear it pretty well. I am still looking for a yellow sports jacket. I

However a high-end user with no regrets is not the person that needs to cut on his car expense or others .......



High-end is simply not for all wallets ,if you need to ask yourself is it really better service wise or looks wise ,its not for you !


The feeling of high -end is different and can be understood differently if there is no regrets


High-end comparison ,I do own high-end properties in Surrey ,B.C which I rent out .

Just in making the interview by the words the potential renter is using and the questions he asks ,it will reveal if he is really a high-end user


When a customer asks for a $10 or $20 rebate on hour booking it is also very revealing :lol:



Cheers





Booker

 

[EagerBeaver]

BookerL,

It's called "buyer's remorse." I have suffered buyer's remorse after virtually every significant purchase of my life, including after seeing extreme HDH escorts. I probably think too much and am too analytical for my own good, and for this reason I often suffer from "paralysis by analysis" when doing my own personal shopping for consumer goods and services.

Regarding the BMW lease I had, throughout the lease period I was seeing escorts and throughout the lease period I was calculating in my head how many lost sessions I was having a month. In the end of the lease a Honda salesman offered to buy out my lease with 4 months remaining, and put me in a new Honda. I shopped that offer to Subaru and Nissan and Hyundai and they all refused to match. I then went back to Honda and accepted the offer. In the 3 years of that lease I put 55,000 miles on the Beamer, taking it out of the bumper to bumper warranty which only excepted gas and tires at that time. They nickeled and dimed my ass to death as I was warned would happen if I didn't re-lease with BMW. Fortunately I successfully fought them on most of it and escaped dodge with a small mileage penalty and about $1300 for a small nick in the windshield, the result of a pebble launched by a tractor trailer. I had collision insurance for that but ate the deductible.

I have had buyer's remorse with TV purchases and more recently a high end electric razor which shit the bed on me.

The buyer's remorse with escorts only happens when I get substandard service at the HDH level. Rare, but it has happened.

 

[BookerL]

BookerL,

It's called "buyer's remorse." I have suffered buyer's remorse after virtually every significant purchase of my life, including after seeing extreme HDH escorts. I probably think too much and am too analytical for my own good, and for this reason I often suffer from "paralysis by analysis" when doing my own personal shopping for consumer goods and services.
.

Hello all


To analytical ,well it makes for a interesting reading .
Seriously analysis before hand normally helps making better decisions .
When you are in business knowing where to spend your publicity $$$$$ will help you achieve financial success .
High end escorts must also make there publicity at the right place either with word of mouth in the right crowd and/or the right website that has the right crowd .


Cheers




Booker

 

[sexdor]

A lot of good input from many knowledgeable members....and stayed on topic !

Only illustrates how we are all different and explains how one SP can get a glowing review from one member and the very same SP can get a negative review from another. This is why I never criticize someone's review.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I can go into a Pub and listen to live music and have great conversation and a nice whiskey or a Pint. I can also go into a chic bar and spend 3 times the amount on a drink and have a materialistic atmosphere.
If we took a sample group of 100 clients lets say and put 50 of them in the Pub and the other 50 in the upscale Club and then at the end of evening measured there 'happiness ' or enjoyment factor the results would probably be pretty similar.
The only difference is the Pub bill was 1/4 the bill of the Club.

Nice analogy.

And Booker, the difference is high end in other stuff may be less subjective. I mean there IS exeptions, but in general a high end property will be kick ass, you will have a pool, view on the beach, or simply a damn good looking appartement with everything new and big rooms etc. There is no doubt that this is better than a small 2 1/2 or even 3 1/3 in an urban area. Now some people would be happy with what they got and thats all cool. But if you give 1 week to anybody in both those set-ups with the same environements (friends as close, convenient stores etc) then the high will win 98% of the time if not more.

The same can be apply to cars, even tough there is a grey zone as some guys would prefer to have a truck for conveniency instead of having a porshe... But if you compare an honda civic to a porshe, im sure most people will prefer the porshe... Or i could had use lambo or any other high end mark.

But the closest i found that can compare to escort is food, even tough its still very loosy and i don't compare women themselves to food, just the high end comparison. I have been to more expensive restaurant, maybe not "high end" with crazy prices but where everything was double as of a regular place. And to be honest the food was not better for me, and i was much more joyfull going out either to my favourite fast food or "mom and pops" restaurant in my local area.

Hell even in fast food. An Hamburger, a regular one, cost almost 4$ at valentine in my town. While at mcdo i can have a mcdouble cheese bacon for 2.39 or something like that. For the price of the cheese burger bacon at valentine, i have a full deluxe hamburger at mcdo.

More or less what im trying to say is more expensive does not always mean "BETTER"

So again, when it comes to escorts, i am sure there are rich guys who pretty much saw everybody in all agencies or all indies here on merb. Or at least all he wanted to see. Now if he have the budget, he won't be an obstacle for him to see that provider wich interest him but that charge double or triple the price. For him its spare change. Would i be rich i would like that. So yes there will always be a market for HDH, and i will give this to the girls that it may be a good "filter" in some case. Altough not full proof 100%.

But for us the clients it does not mean that the experience will be better, and for the escorts it does not mean they won't stumble across a jerk even at very high price.

It may not be a myth per say, but it is a "smoke screen" for sure. But in the end, as everybody say, its there bodies, they can charge what they want obviously.