Hobbying during AIDS. Hobbying during covid.

[mauricevachon]

During AIDS:

Did not get a single BBBJ/DFK for a decade (1984-1994).
Everybody talked about AIDs, everyone knew someone affected.

During covid:

Not a single SP brought it up.
Not a single girl asked if I was vaxed.
Every girl offered BBBJ/DFK.
Saw at least 4 nurse/SPs during that time.
None seemed the least bit concerned.

******

Raised suspicions about all covid claims in media right from the start.

 

[Anna Bijou]

I don't understand how you're taking these two pandemics as comparable.

Covid isn't transmitted sexually. What's bbbj going to change?

Vaccination exists for covid.

HIV isn't transmitted through bbbj or dfk

No vaccine yet.



I sort of get some of what you're saying (even though my conclusions are different than yours), in the sense that we are a lot more complacent since the government put an end to all of the public safety measures (compulsory mask wearing in public places, vaccination passports, travel restrictions, social distancing, etc).

However, I don't see how hiv fits into the argument and point you're trying to make. A lot of Sp's did not work for quite some time at the peak of restrictions and required proof of vaccination when they were rolled out.

The fact that we're (in general) more complacent, isn't proof of anything. It's not a good thing that we are so complacent.

 

[mauricevachon]

I am saying that the nearly 100 merb escorts I met during the 3 pandemic years did not seem to care about covid.

Not a single SP mentioned covid.
Not even one.
This suggests SPs were not worried about it.

******

BTW, I am not saying this is good or bad.
Just reporting what I saw.

 

[MCTJ]

I am saying that the nearly 100 merb escorts I met during the 3 pandemic years did not seem to care about covid.

Not a single SP mentioned covid.
Not even one.
This suggests SPs were not worried about it.

******

BTW, I am not saying this is good or bad.
Just reporting what I saw.

You're comparing two wildly different viruses! HIV was a death sentence prior to the discovery of effective treatments! Your risks of getting HIV by receiving a blowjob are almost zero btw.

 

[MCTJ]

I am saying that the nearly 100 merb escorts I met during the 3 pandemic years did not seem to care about covid.

Not a single SP mentioned covid.
Not even one.
This suggests SPs were not worried about it.

******

BTW, I am not saying this is good or bad.
Just reporting what I saw.

Because being young, they are not in a group at high risk of severe disease (unless they have a specific pre-exisiting condition).

 

[envelopes]

What's the point you are trying to make? That COVID isn't real? lol.

HIV/AIDS killed everyone. Covid mostly killed fat old people. SPs aren't fat and old.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I am saying that the nearly 100 merb escorts I met during the 3 pandemic years did not seem to care about covid.

Not a single SP mentioned covid.
Not even one.
This suggests SPs were not worried about it.

******

BTW, I am not saying this is good or bad.
Just reporting what I saw.

Because covid was nothing more then a flu. The death rate from covid was 0.1% while for AIDS it was a 100% death sentence especially in those days. Covid effected mainly older people and those in poor health, the young mostly got minor symptoms. Escorts are young and healthy. They had nothing to worry about besides catching annoying flu symptoms. Back then the threat was real, covid was mostly a scam by the government to make money and control the public. You are comparing apples to oranges.

 

[IamNY]

During AIDS:

Did not get a single BBBJ/DFK for a decade (1984-1994).
Everybody talked about AIDs, everyone knew someone affected.

During covid:

Not a single SP brought it up.
Not a single girl asked if I was vaxed.
Every girl offered BBBJ/DFK.
Saw at least 4 nurse/SPs during that time.
None seemed the least bit concerned.

******

Raised suspicions about all covid claims in media right from the start.

This is an interesting comparison. I had a conversation about this a few weeks ago. The big difference between the two things your comparing is that during the 80's through the mid 90's AIDS was thought of as a disease that only homosexual men caught. Even when hetrosexual men started dying from AIDS many thought that they were just "in the closet". The one constant for both diseases was Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

You're comparing two wildly different viruses! HIV was a death sentence prior to the discovery of effective treatments! Your risks of getting HIV by receiving a blowjob are almost zero btw.

This. HIV and SARS-Cov-19 are so asymmetrical in their modes of transmission and outcomes.

It's easier to catch covid virus because the mode of transmission isn't as necessarily intimate like that of HIV. But it's unquestionable without getting treatment for HIV even in 2023, it's a guaranteed death sentence. (There are a certain percentage of people cavalier about contracting HIV these days because treatments have come a long way. But those people are still morons).

On the other hand, depending on your age/immune system and initial viral load infection, you may not even end up in the hospital for a COVID infection. But it's survivors' bias to think that COVID isn't serious even if it is slightly less serious than HIV. There are millions dead all over the world from COVID, and not all those people were old.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

C’mon folks, look at numbers and use logic.

While there was some level of misinformation about AIDS, and plenty of propaganda (mostly from the Right), few enough people contracted HIV, and the incubation was so long, that it took one hell of a long time before the data proved that HIV is basically never contracted via oral sex if there are no actively bleeding gums, and the process of vaginal fluid entering the bloodstream through the penis involves such a long seeping in process that a circumcised male who pees and washes his penis soon after sex has basically no chance of contracting HIV that way. Of course condoms are necessary for vaginal and anal sex to protect the female from HIV, as the seeping in process is far different for those orifices.

It took fifteen to twenty years for enough data to exist to come to that conclusion, which made the 1980s and 1990s a difficult time for everyone to enjoy oral sex.

Half or more of the fucking planet came into contact with Covid in the first year or two. So it has been a dream come true for researchers.

The only similarity is Monday Morning Quarterbacking. It didn’t kill everyone (pun intended) to wear a mask at first, just like it didn’t kill any of us to get CBJs in the 1980s. We didn’t know then what we know now. The time gap was just different. Ladies figured out pretty quickly what the Covid risks were, and decided what level of risk to take. And they made damn good decisions.

And once again, as always, the Government was too conservative. It was the independent escorts who led the way. They saw regulars who had their contact information. Then they expanded it to new customers again. The German FKKs stayed closed the longest. And even though the CBJ rule is ignored, the Germans have that restriction at their legal places. Do not put Fauci and Birx in charge of commercial sex, please.

In a novel situation, as in "we're in uncharted territory," the conservative approach is the only sensible approach. If you're about to drive across a flooded street or wade across water that you don't know how deep it is, do you gun it or tread lightly?

You're using the benefit of hindsight and decades of data to describe what we know about HIV. Everything you said about contracting HIV is true, but for a virus that hadn't infected humans like that (even though scientists knew of a highly similar virus in simian immunodeficiency virus), the risk assessment in the 80s was different. The cautious approach was about saving lives, not marginalizing anyone. For example, despite donated blood being screened for several viruses for decades the FDA just outright ended the ban on gay men from donating blood at the end of 2022! The gay men donation ban was a vestige from the AIDS crisis. While rules allowing gay men to donate blood have been slowly relaxed for years, the point stands that caution and lack of sufficient data caused certain people to be excluded and stigmatized.

The only thing SARS Cov-19 has in common with HIV is its novelty. Like with SIV and HIV, scientists also knew about coronaviruses thanks to the original SARS and MERS outbreaks (I may be forgetting one more early coronavirus outbreak). But the total number of dead from NY State alone in December 2022 (about 915) is slightly more than half of the total dead from SARS and MERS outbreaks (about 1636). The coronavirus that went around the world in 2020 was more contagious, due to several microscopic differences from previous coronaviruses that conferred transmission advantages.

When one is working in a situation with not a lot of information or imperfect info--scenarios that applied to HIV and SARS-Cov 19--caution is your best friend. No one is saying that caution didn't come with downsides. But caution allows you to live to get a BBBJ another day. Some of the people who didn't heed caution during HIV or COVID outbreaks have paid for their hubris with their lives.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

There's nothing wrong with skepticism or questioning scientific dogma (describing science as "dogma" is a loaded expression, but it gets to the point). Dr. Drew questioning HIV transmission via oral is totally fair, but he couldn't advise any patient that the risk of HIV contraction via oral is low until he had data aka actual information, be it real world or in a controlled study. Suspicion or an inkling isn't empirical data.

I'm not arguing that complete deference should be given to science. Thanks to the humans conducting it, science can absolutely be imperfect or even be statistically manipulated to reach a conclusion that is desired. But between choosing the advice of someone who has devoted years of rigorous study to a specific subject, or someone operating on gut feeling with little command of the same subject, I'm personally banking on the former.

And of course it goes without saying that people are free to make their own decisions. But people are also free to live (or die) with the consequences of their decisions. Eazy E made his own decisions regarding safe sex practices in the AIDS era; Hermain Cain made his decision about gathering with a large group without a mask during a pandemic. Suffice to say, it didn't work out well for both of them. The volition of making a decision and making an informed decision are two separate things. In a country where more than one person called poison control hotlines to ask if ingesting bleach is ok (because the president spoke as if it was), some of the people making their "own" decisions instead of following expert advice are going to off themselves.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Covid mostly killed fat old people.

Well covid was deadly to more than 'fat and old' people. There are many illnesses/conditions that put people of all ages at higher risk. Obesity is one of them but not sure why you singled it out when there are several others like asthma, diabetes, immunocompromised people, pregnant people, liver/lung/heart/kidney disease.

Most people have family members that are older and some that are part of the groups at higher risk. I isolated almost completely, especially before the vaccine became available, and I live alone so it was hard AF.

I might not have been the most at risk personally but the focus was on my mother who was. If I wanted to be able to see her without putting her at risk, I had to do what was necessary. As a result, I was able to see her but avoided everyone else except for a couple of people I saw occasionally.

That's what people totally missed then and still do now. Sure, maybe someone sees all of it as unnecessary because they're not at risk themselves. But it wasn't just about them, it was always about keeping the most vulnerable people safe. Everyone stuck staring at their belly button. People still don't get that we live in a big community and just because you're not at risk, doesn't mean it's not important.

Long covid doesn't look like much fun either and many previously healthy people are now chronically ill so it's not 'just a flu' either.

(Not directing my comment at you specifically btw)

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Because covid was nothing more then a flu. The death rate from covid was 0.1% while for AIDS it was a 100% death sentence especially in those days. You are comparing apples to oranges.

First of all before the vaccines, the death rates was more around 2%. True elderly were the major innocent victims.
Who speaks about comparing apples and oranges...
It took 20 years to develop efficient therapies toward AIDS.
COVID was a big hit, nothing to compare to a flu.
Average deaths from flu in US was 30-40 thousands by year. They got over 1 million deaths of COVID in 2 years.

 

[MCTJ]

the process of vaginal fluid entering the bloodstream through the penis involves such a long seeping in process that a circumcised male who pees and washes his penis soon after sex has basically no chance of contracting HIV that way.

Yes, circumcision has been shown to reduce the risk of HIV acquisition, but I wouldn't go as far as saying a circumcised man has "basically no chance" of getting HIV through vaginal intercourse. It remains a (relatively) high risk activity.

 

[CLOUD 500]

First of all before the vaccines, the death rates was more around 2%. True elderly were the major innocent victims.
Who speaks about comparing apples and oranges...
It took 20 years to develop efficient therapies toward AIDS.
COVID was a big hit, nothing to compare to a flu.
Average deaths from flu in US was 30-40 thousands by year. They got over 1 million deaths of COVID in 2 years.

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I guess tallying cumulative data makes it appear more worse (same tactic used by the government to spread fear). The USA had a total population of 333 million in 2022, with the total death amounts you quoted is less then 0.01% (I suspect that number you quoted is the total amount of deaths say for two years, that is really not much it is about the amount of deaths expected from other ailments like heart disease and cancer, nothing to jump the gun about). I rest my case, total deaths was less then 0.01%. It is like with the Spanish flu, first variant was more deadly but each variant afterwards was more mild but more contagious (or so they say). But here is the difference, the 2% (quoted from you) death from covid vs 100% from AIDS. You catch HIV and before antiretroviral treatment, the death was 100% guaranteed. I can take my chances with covid but never with HIV.

 

[MCTJ]

@Patron with all due respect you need to read better sources on HIV transmission. It's obvious that during the actual unprotected intercourse there is plenty of opportunity and enough time for vaginal fluid to reach the bloodstream via the penis. It's squeezed inside and surrounded by fluid. The estimated risk is 0.04% per act (not terribly high) for insertive penile/vaginal intercourse, but it is much higher if the person is in the acute phase of the disease (recent infection), because the viral load is higher. The reason why heterosexual males are not catching HIV much nowadays is that there are very few infected females (who are not injection drug users), at least in Canada. This data is available from Public Health departments (Canada and Quebec) As most people know, the virus is heavily concentrated in the homosexual male community (or, as it is now politically correctly called, gbMSM: Gay, Bisexual and other Men who have sex with Men.) Now, the million dollar question: what is the prevalence of HIV in (non-street based) female sex workers in Canada vs the general female population of the same age? There is no available data to answer this question.

Good starting point:

HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

 

[Like_It_Hot]

The USA had a total population of 333 million in 2022, with the total death amounts you quoted is less then 0.01%

COVID: 1 million deaths on 333 millions is 0,3% ... not 0.01%
So, before the vaccines came, deaths represented around 2% for year #1 (2020). Then (2021) survival increased a lot, granted the vaccines, and the final rate almost 3 years later is 0,3%

% means "percent": 1 million on 100 millions is 1%, so 1 million on 333 millions is 0,3% CQFD

 

[CLOUD 500]

COVID: 1 million deaths on 333 millions is 0,3% ... not 0.01%
So, before the vaccines came, deaths represented around 2% for year #1 (2020). Then (2021) survival increased a lot, granted the vaccines, and the final rate almost 3 years later is 0,3%

% means "percent": 1 million on 100 millions is 1%, so 1 million on 333 millions is 0,3% CQFD

You are right. I miscounted the decimals. My mistake. But still 0.33% is low, nothing to be forcing mandates and stripping away peoples freedoms for and causing inflation that makes governments and big business richer while making the average joe poorer like we have seen in 2022.

However the latest variant Omicron is milder then Alpha and Delta although it is more contagious.

Can You Get Omicron and Delta COVID-19 Variants at the Same Time?

With Omicron and Delta variants circulating, can you get both at the same time? Here's what infectious disease experts and epidemiologists say.

www.health.com

Direct Quote from Article:

As Omicron continued to be the variant of concern in the United States (and the world) in 2022, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC),2 scientists were working to uncover what makes this variant different from previous variants.

Omicron, for example, is less likely to cause severe illness, but it also spreads easier, even among the vaccinated population.

So disease is less severe, vaccinated or not.

Omicron: How does it compare with other COVID-19 variants of concern? - National | Globalnews.ca

The Omicron variant, first detected by South Africa, has become the latest and fifth variant of concern designated by the WHO since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.

globalnews.ca

Direct Quote from this Article:

Omicron contains the E484 mutation, which is also found in the Beta and Gamma variants. The E484K mutation decreases the ability for antibodies to bind to the spike protein of the virus. This means vaccines and therapeutics like monoclonal antibodies, which are laboratory-made proteins that mimic our immune system’s ability to fight off the coronavirus, are less effective, experts say.

On Sunday, the WHO said it is not yet clear whether Omicron is more transmissible or causes more severe disease compared to the other variants. No deaths related to this variant have been reported as of yet.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

You are right. I miscounted the decimals. My mistake. But still 0.33% is low,

You mean 1 million is low???
World Trade Center attack on 2001/09/11: Of the 2,977 fatal victims, 2,753 were killed in the World Trade Center and the surrounding area, 184 at the Pentagon, and 40 in Pennsylvania. These deaths included 246 on the four planes. And US destroyed Irak and Afghanistan for those 3,000 deaths. Of course it is an other story.
But pretending 1 million deaths is low seems bizarre...

 

[CLOUD 500]

You mean 1 million is low???
World Trade Center attack on 2001/09/11: Of the 2,977 fatal victims, 2,753 were killed in the World Trade Center and the surrounding area, 184 at the Pentagon, and 40 in Pennsylvania. These deaths included 246 on the four planes. And US destroyed Irak and Afghanistan for those 3,000 deaths. Of course it is an other story.
But pretending 1 million deaths is low seems bizarre...

Out of 333 million, that is low. That is not much. In the US about 697,000 people die of heart disease a year. These are deaths to be expected. Turning the whole world upside down and stripping away peoples freedoms for this is total nonsense. There are 8.5 billion humans on this planet, that is WAY TOO MUCH! We had the biggest human population increase in the last 100 years. The planet is at a total imbalance. All things in nature return to equilibrium. For all leftists, human overpopulation represents the biggest threat to climate change and the environment. Government is so obsessed with increasing the population because they are greedy SOBs. The UN (A Socialist organization) is the biggest scam of an organization and should be dismantled permanently.