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Sire-concis

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Ah Ha! Maybe they found you interesting because your were a foriener and they were curious about your outlook on life. You could go to bars and pretend like you are from France (LOL). Maybe you need to hang out at bookstores and coffee shops, take a university class in the evenings and meet girls in study groups and university clubs etc. Offer to tutor for free etc. There are plenty of intellectual "artsy" girls that hang out at particular high brow clubs and art institutes etc. Girls like this are always caught up in save the world causes...maybe you can find a cause that you can stomach and volunteer or hang out with discussion groups of people that want to save the world? Volunteer for a political campaighn?

just a thought

I'll attend at the next conference on: The influence of the litterature in the socio-politic movements in the Oriental part of Lettonia :) I loooooooooove East-European girl :p

I know, I need to provoque more opportunities. It is a (not very) viscious circle, the less you get, you tend to loose confidence and isolate and of course you get less occasions. The only hope I have for now, is the new arrival of beautifull immigrant woman in my small city. These are more open for seduction and are way more polite than English or French Quebekers.

But God, after 4 years I am so fucking rusted that I get nervous (even with SPs) easily. For now, Kelly at Rachel and Jade at the Hilltop which are very happy of my unsuccesses!!!;)
 

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I don't know when was the las time I seduced a women but I know for sure when I will seduce a woman for the last time in my life: when they will close my casket and bury it!:p
 

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WTF. Who cares about that?

I asked the question because I was wondering if some of the longtime
Hobbyists were able to seduce a woman without money exchanging
hands or do you always have to rely on a SP for intimacy..

I don't think that I could seduce a woman but then again I never tried.I
know that I would be terrible at just trying to start a conversation with
a woman...never mind actually trying to become intimate with her.
 

Sire-concis

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I asked the question because I was wondering if some of the longtime
Hobbyists were able to seduce a woman without money exchanging
hands or do you always have to rely on a SP for intimacy..

I don't think that I could seduce a woman but then again I never tried.I
know that I would be terrible at just trying to start a conversation with
a woman...never mind actually trying to become intimate with her.

Box,
How do you live with this? I am extremely sad and depressed that my life turned out that way, it use to be easy for me to get girls and now nothing in more than 4 years! Did you finally accept that situation and live a "normal" and happy life? Or is this ruining your life?

I like your question, I tought I was alone living this and you make me realise it may be more frequent than I originally tought.

I also feel I am loosing my personnal skill in general being isolated like this and even my rapport with Sp tend to be more and more unpleasant and difficult.
 

Dragonatic

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I don't think that I could seduce a woman but then again I never tried.I
know that I would be terrible at just trying to start a conversation with
a woman...never mind actually trying to become intimate with her.

Its sure that if you always think negative like this, you will have nothing and will always have to pay a girl to be intimate with her. Be positive man, there is always someone worst than you. Last day I saw someone in the market that almost made me vomit... He was so ugly, very fat, oily hair... well, someone you don't want to be with him. He got no charm at all, he looked like he was a dead man, no emotion at all.....well.. you know what? He had a girlfriend!!! :eek: And she seemed to feel very good with him. I'm sure he know that he is not a good looking guy but I'm sure that he is 200% more positive than you and have some perseverance and optimism in him. Thats why he have a girlfriend and don't have to pay for sex, even if he can be the ugliest man on heart with no charm! ;)
 

hungry101

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I asked the question because I was wondering if some of the longtime
Hobbyists were able to seduce a woman without money exchanging
hands or do you always have to rely on a SP for intimacy..

Box
There are many reasons why we hobby. You are infering that we pay for pussy because it is the only way that we can get a woman to have sex with us. This is not always true. Several of us love the thrill of calling an escort. Many of us are married or have girl friends and call escorts to to supplement our sexual experiences. Many of us are in our 40's and 50's and are unable to hook up with the 18-25 crowd without paying for it. Maybe your wife/girl friend wont do what these SPs will do. Do not paint with too broad a brush. There are all kinds of reasons to see SPs.
 

Dragonatic

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Many of us are in our 40's and 50's and are unable to hook up with the 18-25 crowd without paying for it.

..euh! Damm! I hope!! If you are in 40's or even 50's its time to forget the 18-25!! Shit! You could be her father!! You think that a girl that is 18 years old will be happy to fuck and have a relationship with a 50 years old?? Wake up! ;)

Maybe your wife/girl friend wont do what these SPs will do.

My god!! Are you serious?? A relationship is not only based on sex!!! Its not a doll! Who cares if she don't like doing someting that an SP could do? Respect her choices. Its very dumb to cheat your wife/girlfriend with an sp just cause she don't do someting in particular..... My ex-girlfriend never wanted to suck me, she don't like to suck a cock. Well, will I cheat her with an ap just to be sucked?? NO! I love her so who cares if she don't suck me....

People are being crazy these days... As soon as the girl don't want to do what the boy would like her to do they don't hesitate and call an SP as soon as possible to do it.... pffffff
 

hungry101

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..euh! Damm! I hope!! If you are in 40's or even 50's its time to forget the 18-25!! Shit! You could be her father!! You think that a girl that is 18 years old will be happy to fuck and have a relationship with a 50 years old?? Wake up! ;)



My god!! Are you serious?? A relationship is not only based on sex!!! Its not a doll! Who cares if she don't like doing someting that an SP could do? Respect her choices. Its very dumb to cheat your wife/girlfriend with an sp just cause she don't do someting in particular..... My ex-girlfriend never wanted to suck me, she don't like to suck a cock. Well, will I cheat her with an ap just to be sucked?? NO! I love her so who cares if she don't suck me....

People are being crazy these days... As soon as the girl don't want to do what the boy would like her to do they don't hesitate and call an SP as soon as possible to do it.... pffffff
I said "We" as in the community and I was not necessarily referring to me. Furthermore, if all the 40+ guys and all the married guys and guys with GFs stopped calling SPs there would be no MERB, there would be no agencies, and there would be no Montreal hobby scene.
 
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Dragonatic

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I said "We" as in the community and I was not necessarily referring to me.

Sorry, then I was reffering to all the community.

Furthermore, if all the 40+ guys and all the married guys and guys with GFs stopped calling SPs there would be no MERB, there would be no agencies, and there would be no Montreal hobby scene.

Then these guys would start having a real relationship with someone of their age, not someone who could be their daughter. There is so many guys that are 40+, married or with a GF and they don't need to call an sp. They just know how to deal with the real life. They are 40+ so they go for a 40+ woman. They are married so they stay with their wife, accept her like she is and live together. No need for sp... But most of the guys that call an sp just don't realize that the 18-25 years old is finish when you are 40+...

For the agencies, who cares if they don't exist..... Agencies suck. Its the same thing that a pimp with prostitute. To live off the earnings of a woman its the worst thing you can do... and these agencies/owner says that they respect the girls... pffff my ass! If the girl make 180$ for 1 hour of doing sex with an unknown man SHE DESERVE THE 180$.
 
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Box,
How do you live with this? I am extremely sad and depressed that my life turned out that way, it use to be easy for me to get girls and now nothing in more than 4 years! Did you finally accept that situation and live a "normal" and happy life? Or is this ruining your life?

I like your question, I tought I was alone living this and you make me realise it may be more frequent than I originally tought.

I also feel I am loosing my personnal skill in general being isolated like this and even my rapport with Sp tend to be more and more unpleasant and difficult.

How do I live with this ? Not really "living" just existing...get up in the morning and
do what I have to do.I'm kind of thankful that I have my internet porn and the option
of using a SP.

What changed in the past 4 years ? What happened that affected your success
with women...why are you no longer successful ?
 

InSearchOfMeaning

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Why I dont seduce normal girls

A thing that hampers me from going and "seducing" a girl is that there is so much bullshit revolving around it.

Just the other night, i was approaching 2 girls from B.C. and good grief, i dont think I ever met so much retardation wrapped in nice packages.

Or i remember trying to chat up on this gorgeous mixed asian girl( I remember that moment because she was simply that gorgeous), but the bitch shield was up. I dont think i ever met someone that could exude so much stuck uppishness and snobbiness ever EVER. Strange thing, is that she was awfully nice when you manage to get to talk to her, but you had to tread lightly.

Or again, a premed student. Babe, for sure. But damn, did you need to be sharp witted or else youd feel like shit after talking to her.

On the other hand, SPs are a different game. Its more of an illusion than anything else. You come in, and you come out and it felt like a dream. The girls there dont create petty and trivial bullshit and all for a pretty low pay. The other night, i go out with my buddy for a few drinks at a strip joint. I get pretty darn tipsy and i go with my favorite dancer before leaving. Simply out of grinding, she came twice and made me come. Theres something wretchedly beautiful about making a woman grimace buckle and collapse in ecstasy in a dark corner, with loud music, and bunch of people going about their business. I tell you what, coming hard after getting really really tipsy really really fast makes for a really really painful migraine. The trip back home walking in the dark night of winter compounded the surrealism of the night. And fact is, all those crazy nights i had, as regretful i may be about it. They were awesome if they werent so stupid. I remember telling an SP once that ive done enough stupid shit this night, and tonight was another penultimate to add on my track record. And she simply replied: "Its called experience".

But whenever i approach a normal girl, well its not so surreal anymore. Its not as beautiful. The settings dont mesh so well. I dont get to glimpse on the more bared expression of human nature. Alot of times, it simply comes down to this. Im a bit of an egomaniac. We all are to a certain extent, especially if we are involved in this hobby. At its basic definition, egomania is the concern over the individual rather than that of society.

Whenever i meet a SP, i meet her as an individual and all the petty notions of society are absent because I am meeting in a way a reject of society. So its so much easier to simply talk about what life. What feels good in life, what feels bad. What we find beautiful, what we dont. etc.

On the other hand, a normal girl completely entrenched in the mediocrity of society's expectations and its systemic value based on trash, well the conversation is completely different. Im ready to kill myself. Example:

If i were to discuss that everything we perceive is a mental fabrication.That when you close one eye, you perceive a 2d image. And when you look through the other eye, you perceive another 2d image. Your brain processes these 2 images to create a 3rd dimension. But space is curved, so our visual processes isnt even correct. Making the world alot deeper and beautiful than the current mental construct that society portrays it to be. (It also explains as to why Picasso is awesome also)

If i were to say that i can draw what a normal person sees on a paper with only lines to recreate a precise black and white representation of a setting or a person ( and im pretty darn good at it with no artistic training), and that physic's string theory is the same idea. That instead of drawing lines on a paper to transpose the world. The world itself is a canvas and the lines are strings and that the paper is basically a mirror. That einstein himself viewed it as such also that a person was crumpled geometry ( like in the last scene in the matrix where Neo sees everything in a binary representation). In the end, that life is simply downright awesome.

Id pretty much only get blank look of "man, youre weird".

(I get that the last two paragraphs were probably one of the worst long run sentences that were grammatically incorrect)

What most girls, like what most guys want, is the suave jamesbond version of a monkey with a big house at least 2 floors, a BMW and a porsche in the garage, and bla bla bla trivial plastic and rocks and some charming mini monkeys. I dont seduce, because for the most part, most of them are not even worth my god damned time.
 

Dragonatic

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What most girls, like what most guys want, is the suave jamesbond version of a monkey with a big house at least 2 floors, a BMW and a porsche in the garage, and bla bla bla trivial plastic and rocks and some charming mini monkeys. I dont seduce, because for the most part, most of them are not even worth my god damned time.

Are you fucking crazy man?? Thats just because you deal with the wrong girls at the wrong place. I mean, its sure that if you go to most of the bar in montreal or a place on crescent street, you will only get these stupid girls that want a james bond with the big house and bla bla bla.... But the "normal" girls in the "normal" place thats another thing.

My ex-girlfriend was working at TVA studio, thats where I met her. I was there for a job contract of 2 months and I was seeing her almost each days. This girl really impressed me so I decided to try to seduce her. Well, in the 2 months that I was working there it was so nice. Each day we were going to the restaurant for lunch and many things like that.... After my 2 months of contract, we was in a relationship. She was not these bitch that want a james bon but just a cool normal girl. And the "dream" that you pay 180$ for 1 hour with an SP I was getting it each day for free... thats better of calling an SP man! ;)

Well, this is just to tell you that if you really want a normal girl, its not in bar/club that you will find it. If you go out and have a goal to seduce a woman that will really love you not only for your cash and house you will never get it.....
 

bensonnobalia

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Just the other night, i was approaching 2 girls from B.C. and good grief, i dont think I ever met so much retardation wrapped in nice packages.

Or i remember trying to chat up on this gorgeous mixed asian girl( I remember that moment because she was simply that gorgeous), but the bitch shield was up. I dont think i ever met someone that could exude so much stuck uppishness and snobbiness ever EVER. Strange thing, is that she was awfully nice when you manage to get to talk to her, but you had to tread lightly.

Or again, a premed student. Babe, for sure. But damn, did you need to be sharp witted or else youd feel like shit after talking to her.

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Are you for real?

Listen pal, if you are trying to "pick up" gorgeous, nice packages or a pre-med student, you'd better have something more to offer other than a nice smile.

These types of girls can have any man they want, any night they want.

In the bars I go to when I am on the road, i've seen girls like this approached by as many as 25 different guys ... in one night.

You'd be crazy to go up against that kind of competition and those kinds of odds.

*****

The bottom line is most really hot chicks (under 25)*, can have their pick and are thus not interested in being "picked up," by some shmo.

They may roll in the hay with another young hot guy, or someone with a lot of money.

*****

But if want to sweep one off your feet, you'd better aim lower.

*(Cougars are a different story).
 

Dragonatic

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bensonnobalia, you are 100% right!!

I totally agree with you! :)

Some guys here need to know whats the difference between "seduce a woman" and "seduce the right woman for me". Maybe if they try to seduce a "normal" girl they will see that they have more charm that they think. Its sure that if you try to seduce the hot chicks you will almost never get her unless you are Tom Cruise or if you have a ferrari! :D
 

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I thought the heat of the moment would pass, and i could reflect on it more cooly. But my post still stands.

Its obvious we dont travel the same circle. Like the comment that i should aim lower than people that are good looking( which is just another form of intelligence that can be cultivated) or in premed ( which make up for many of my friends...and essentially saying that i should aim lower than people i hang out with. Makes perfect sense. Yeahhh....)

That you shouldnt go in when it seems stacked against you. Umm okay. Losing IS the learning process.

That normal girls dont want the big house and etc... strange how it seems all the normal girls in my neighborhood live it and require it still for their future. The superficial shit i hear on a daily basis makes me cry inside. ( which accounts for 99.99% as being triviality)

And the dream is not about bedding a girl. Its about getting in touch with a perfect stranger with no strings attached among a night of random events. Not gonna happen in any normal daily situation.

Even if you paid me 180 $ (which i didnt know was the going rate as i tend to usually just binge on alcohol and get dances before i leave a joint), i would not be nice to you, ive way too much pride and contempt. But to actually see a person that can control her emotions, that is masterfully brilliant and something i can learn from.

And the targets that girls (hot or normal, educated or not) are senseless sometimes. Tiger woods... for example. Do they even play golf? Its a boring sport to watch OR play. Or MMA fighters. Even the fighters say how they cant stand that groupie shit.

Im happy for you guys that you believe in a romantic notion with a person that seem within your zone without too much effort. I mean its way romantic to aim for people that you think you can bed by default.

Anyways, i appreciate the optimism. Thanks.

P.S.: The point was that even if i talked about REAL things that affect our perception and the physical world, people will focus on the trivialities to circumvent what was said. Hence, if people cant address what the real world entails then they probably are not worth my time. But i was feeling peachy tonight, so i let it go this time.
 

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How do I live with this ? Not really "living" just existing...get up in the morning and
do what I have to do.I'm kind of thankful that I have my internet porn and the option
of using a SP.

What changed in the past 4 years ? What happened that affected your success
with women...why are you no longer successful ?

I feel the same way than you, existing... so sad.

Well in the past 4 year I changed and the society change... I beleive. While I lost most of my self confidence trough a deep depression (I lost all the supposed friends and family too) I got out of it in peices all to rebuild. Being isolated doesn't help, but rebuild a social circle is tough too. It looks that during this time girls are getting more and more difficult to approach and independant which is not to helping me. On top of this, I got turned out so brutally and humiliated that now I fear to approach woman... In order to rebuild self confidence, you need few small successes and you capitalise on this and go a little further next time and so on... I can't get those successes. I beleive the society in general in more and more individualist here in Quebec and woman are way too independent. A lot complain that the guys are not flirting anymore... well the way we get turn out may be a reason. In my general observation at the office, what I see is the following; Super confident men are literally collecting girls and the other half, timid but often much more respectfull man are alone and do not see when they will meet a woman. We often joke saying that girl are insulted when we talk to them, it is very close to reality.

Also, I observe this situation to be kind of unique to Quebec, I do not feel that else where. I went to Peru last winter, 3 girls in 10 days (whitout paying) here; 0 in 4 years. I got to think that even if I am certainly a big part of the problem, this province is exacerbing it's individualist trend.
 
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