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Honour pledge to resettle 25,000 Syrians

I'll start by saying I am all for bringing in Syrian refugees but that trudeau should have pushed it back to allow for better planning. (Will not continue on this since it's not my point)
Anyways! I was more interested in knowing how everyone feels about the new decision to only allow women children and families into the country? The feminist inside of me says it's sexist against men but on the other side I understand why the distinction was made and why so many are relieved by it. Anyways let me know your thoughts. Very curious
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
Personally I do not mind bringing in refugees, what I do mind is fast tracking the refugees into Canada. What I also mind is finding 1.3 billion for refugees and can not come up with the same for our seniors, our homeless or our veterans.
Also, why are the men not staying around to fight.... Just sayin. And yes I am worried about a few radicals entering with the refugees, I know chances of " me " getting attacked are slim but that does not make it better for the ones who do get killed.
 

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I believe that the decision to allow only Syrian refugees who are women, children, and families is a reasonable one. It should be noted that the large majority of Syrian refugees fall into this category anyway. Over half of Syrian refugees are children, while women and children together account for about two thirds of the Syrian refugees. They are also the most vulnerable. At the same time, this may help alleviate the fears of some of those who fear Syrian refugees. It should be noted that the Canadian Government will also be making an exception, in order to include another group which is in particular danger of persecution, as indicated in the following article:

National Post, Nov.23, 2015: Gay men will be included among Syrian refugees in addition to women, children, families
 

Kasey Jones

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These Syrians are not "untrained." 90% of them are military age males who are leaving their wives and children behind...so make no mistake...they are trained.
This whole refugee thing is a ruse and is a deployment strategy that is outlined in the Quran.
Don't forget...Muhammad was not only a prophet...he was also a general.

So...we will end up financially supporting those who are trying to destroy us.

I think our government should look after our Veterans and homeless first...before opening the borders to others.

Just my 2 cents...but my perspective is different than most because of what I have seen and done.

Good lord... don't you ever get tired of being wrong about every single thing? 90%? You are so woefully misinformed that it is quite literally embarrassing to read your incoherent ramblings... For some super secret-agent military man you sure are a xenophobic bedwetter...
 

Kasey Jones

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I can...but I won't. I should have known better than to get involved in this thread with civilians who do not share the same point of view, or experience, that I do.

Believe mainstream media if you want...I have other sources that are far more reliable than the media.

Besides...if I carry on I'll get another PM from a Mod telling me to play nice or risk being banned.

Just know this...when the shit hits the fan...I'll say "I told you so."

Out.

I've known a lot of guys who have actually served in the military throughout my life. Not a one of them sounded anything like you... not even the wingnuts.

You do a great disservice to those who have actually served by pretending to be something you are not.

Shameful...
 

Kasey Jones

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Here is some informative reading on the subject of Muslim immigration to the West:

The Myth of the Muslim Tide by Doug Saunders

Here are some interesting quotes from the book:

Xenophobia and hysteria are so much more satisfying, though...

I can't remember where I read it, but the only really intelligent take I have seen since the Paris attacks is an article that stated that it is now time to stop coddling the Gulf states. The Emirates, Saudis, Quatari ruling classes and families (all backwards, anti-democratic, authoritarian regimes) are free to keep on living their lives because they pay to export their troubles elsewhere. Just look at where the money is coming from that funds Wahabi radicalism and it all traces back to the gulf... Freeze their bank accounts and stop selling them F22s until they start actually doing something about the problems they are more than happy to let happen in the rest of the world as long as it is not within their borders.
 

RobinX

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The Emirates, Saudis, Quatari ruling classes and families (all backwards, anti-democratic, authoritarian regimes) are free to keep on living their lives because they pay to export their troubles elsewhere.

You are absolutely right there . The following article sums it up well:

CBC News: Campaign cone of silence descends on Saudi Arabia arms deal

Despite now being part of the anti-ISIS coalition, the Saudis have provided extensive support to the group in the past, and have funded extremist madrassas (schools) and mosques worldwide over the years. In fact, 28 pages of the U.S. Congress's report on 9/11, which remain officially suppressed, are widely believed to accuse high-ranking Saudi officials of providing consular and financial support to the hijackers, the vast majority of whom were Saudis.

The objective difference between our allies, the Saudis, and ISIS is blurred. Like ISIS, the Saudis are champion torturers and beheaders. By some estimates, the Saudis actually outdo ISIS. They behead for imagined apostasy and for general criticism, but also for sorcery and a list of other offences. And after beheading, the Saudis sometimes crucify the body.

Despite all this, the Saudis are often portrayed by Western allies, like Canada, of being a force for stability in the region. In pursuit of that stability, though, they've armed and financed al-Qaeda affiliates not just in Syria but in bordering Yemen

Our main party leaders really don't want to talk about it. Justin Trudeau simply evaded the question during the French debate. Tom Mulcair went a bit further, saying Canada should study a country's human rights record before approving arms sales, and was promptly asked by a large industrial union involved in the contract, Unifor, to please shut up. ("We asked the NDP to not make this an issue, that it be kept under wraps," said Fergo Berto, Unifor area director for London.)

But what really killed the issue was the apparently widespread belief among Canadians that the Saudis are somehow moderate. After all, former U.S. president George W. Bush was photographed holding hands in public with the late Saudi king Abdullah in 2005, and Barack Obama appeared to bow before him four years later. Justin Trudeau's father danced in the desert with Sheik Yamani, the Saudi oil minister, in 1980.

The Saudis were even just awarded a prominent position on the UN Human Rights Council.Human rights advocates thundered outrage. But Canada, in the past a pitiless critic of the council, maintained a respectful silence. After all, the Saudis are allies.
 

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Promises are harder to keep than to make.

Hurrah for Trudeau's first broken election promise


By David Akin, Parliamentary Bureau Chief
Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:12 PM EST

OTTAWA — So, barely a month on the job and the Liberals have broken their first election promise.

Mind you, they got lucky in that the promise they broke was one everyone, including the Conservatives in the official Opposition, wanted -- heck, demanded — them to break.
The Liberals announced Tuesday they will not, as promised, have 25,000 Syrian refugees in Canada by New Year's Day. Instead, they'll have 10,000 refugees here by then, which is about what Stephen Harper's Conservatives had promised, and then they'll have another 15,000 here by the end of February.

But that's not the only broken promise. The Liberal campaign platform said all those refugees would be sponsored directly by the federal government. In fact, just 15,000 will be government-sponsored. The rest will be sponsored privately, by church groups, community organizations, and families already here in Canada.

Immigration Minister John McCallum told reporters the Liberals will get to their campaign commitment of a total of 25,000 direct government-sponsored refugees sometime in 2016.
OK. Fine.

"If it takes a little bit longer to do it right, then take the extra time," McCallum told reporters here Tuesday.

Of course, anyone saying exactly that a week ago — hello, Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall -- was drawing fire from Justin Trudeau's apologists — I'm looking at you, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne — who pretty much suggested anyone who balked at Trudeau's arbitrary deadline of Dec. 31 was a racist and a bigot.

But let's look past those squabbles and remember, as Calgary Conservative MP Michelle Rempel said Tuesday, "Canada is an open and generous country."

Indeed it is. Taking in as many refugees as we can from a region blighted by terror is what a country like ours, blessed with peace and prosperity, is happy to do.

Nonetheless, Canadians were, quite rightly, nervous that there should not even be a hint that some ISIS bad guy might try to get into Canada by passing himself off as a refugee.

Do the Liberals have the security angle right? Well, let me put it this way: Justin Trudeau's Liberals are applying the same security protocol as Harper's Conservatives.

And top brass from the RCMP, CSIS, Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), and the Canadian Armed Forces have all told reporters they're satisfied no bad apples will be coming to Canada disguised as refugees.
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale was asked point-blank: Have you delayed bringing in 25,000 refugees by Dec. 31 because you needed more time for security screening?

Goodale, among the smoothest politicians you'll ever try to wrangle a straight answer out of, responded, "I said from the very beginning, we need to do this job right. And that security would not be compromised."
In other words: Yes! It was delayed for security checks.

Each refugee's iris scan, thumbprint, name, and ID is run through multiple domestic and international criminal databases. A hit on anything means that refugee isn't coming to Canada.
Each refugee gets interviewed by a Canadian immigration officer. If anything in their life story sounds funny or doesn't add up — they get rejected.

If a refugees misses too many appointments with a screening officer while they're still overseas — rejected. Any hint of a communicable disease — rejected.

"This is our core business," a senior CBSA official told us.

So forget about Goodale, Trudeau or any other politician. The RCMP, CBSA, CSIS and the Canadian Armed Forces are protecting us here. And I'm pretty sure we can count on them — if they're given the time to do their work properly.
 

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If you can take in more welfare recipients and make them citizens you can (and will) buy their vote. The probability of staying in power will be greater and you will be though of as Liberal of the year!
 

RobinX

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The evolving plan to welcome 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada: So far a big win for Trudeau - according to the following article in the National Post:

National Post, Nov.24, 2015: Breaking refugee promise a winner for Liberals

Here are some relevant extracts from the article:

The government has nullified their opponents’ most compelling argument against the refugee plan. The long wait, whether deliberate or not, had the effect of rallying opposition around the year-end deadline. That rallying point is now gone; and the Trudeau Liberals can say, quite accurately, that they modified their plan by applying common sense.

After some initial grumbling and throat-clearing from the opposition, the Liberals stand to emerge stronger for this concession. For one thing, they have provided yet another contrast with their predecessors, who never encountered a word of critical advice too common-sensical to ignore.

Another remarkable first, in recent memory: The prime minister was nowhere to be seen at the news conference. Trudeau had given an interview to CBC’s Matt Galloway earlier in the day, explaining the thinking behind dropping the Dec. 31 deadline; beyond that, it was the ministers’ show. Their presentations were clear, precise and knowledgeable. The question-and-answer session with reporters afterwards was lengthy. Taken together, it was another surreal moment for anyone accustomed to the one-man band approach of the Stephen Harper era.

The Tories, for their part, were wise enough to know they’d been beaten. Their response, issued in a news release, was moderate as can be. “Refugees arriving in Canada should be welcomed with open arms and the full confidence of Canadians,” said immigration critic Michelle Rempel.

Big logistical, practical, economic and social hurdles lie immediately ahead, in the transport, settling and integration of refugees. The political problem, though, has been defused. That’s Trudeau’s first big win.
 

RobinX

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... I still think our own should be taken care of first.

Lately there seem to be a lot of people here, and in social media in general, who are very much against the Syrian refugees, but whom seem very interesting in helping the homeless. Maybe things are starting to look up for the homeless! In this regard, here are some interesting recent articles on the subject:

 
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