How to get confirmation from high end independants

[CLOUD 500]

Also it is possible to get a real phone number using a fake name, guys. Go to Chatr and thank me later. For 40-50 a month (without any obligation to renew every month) it's worth it.

There is no need to... I use phone apps... It is soooo convenient and efficient. I just need to carry one phone and I get all my messages and even phone calls. Only thing is you need access to internet to be able to use this.

 

[CLOUD 500]

?? Sorry maybe because I'm French I don't really understand what the problem is... What I'm saying is your number is not going to be posted publically on internet if you go see trustable/trusted/well reviewed/well known (are those better words ?) providers.

I mean of course you can chose to use an application, plenty of providers including myself don't require a real number after all. At the end of the day to each their own, if one booking doesn't work there are plenty of girls in Montreal to chose from

There is no problem, just trying to say that we all equally have a need to guard our identities, that is all .
Not trying to imply anything more than that, and your English is excellent by the way, wish my French was 10 % as good.

If I find a specific ladie's screening makes me uncomfortable (which has happened), I just don't see her. At the same time, if a guy doesn't want to go through that screening process a lady is entitled to refuse the client. It's a free market. There are so many ladies out there to choose from.

Julia Sky,

I was referring more to the so called double standard... As Sam21 essentially explained what I wanted to say is that we both escorts and clients have the need to protect our privacy, keep our private life separate from this hobby, and also to lower our risk. That is my only point. Would you be comfortable if I asked you for your real name and asked you for your home landline number so I can call you anonymously to confirm? As MG_mtl pointed I am not okay with those invasive processes... I am a very private man. So yes I choose to not use Indys... Agencies is so much more simpler. There are obviously clients okay with that. There are plenty of top GFE escorts at the various agencies on Merb.

 

[Julia Sky]

I think some people just got mistaken. All I was trying to say at first was that you can't really compare texting an escort (a trustable one) with your real number versus putting your real number in an ad on Backpage's "escorts" section. You said it well : "so called" double standard. One of these two things could ruin a life a lot more than the other.

You read reviews to reassure yourself, some girls want a real number to reassure themselves. To each their own

I never said anyone had any obligation to do anything.... Looks like you felt insulted I have no idea what I said that makes you think I'm against you doing whatever you want.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Julia Sky,

I am calm... You are just not understanding what I am trying to say... Sam21 got it. Maybe someone can explain it to you in your native French language... I myself only speak functional French and cannot write in French.

 

[Julia Sky]

I mean of course you can chose to use an application, plenty of providers including myself don't require a real number after all. At the end of the day to each their own, if one booking doesn't work there are plenty of girls in Montreal to chose from

I'm out....

 

[Maria Divina]

Speaking for myself, I never had a confirmation problem or a no show with an HDH. That only ever happened with an agency. That being said, most of the high end indies/HDH I see require verification of identity and/or a copy of the hotel confirmation email and/or references. Over the years I have been told they come across many people who do not want to provide these but still assume appointments will be honored. I understand verification is not the norm in Montreal, but it is in many places and I know a few providers that will absolutely not compromise on it. Not saying thats the issue here but something I heard about frequently in reference to the same topic

Yes, it is like that with many indies.... but I have to tell something that exist from many years equally with agencies and indies, when we are visiting (outcall), everybody that I know used to call back the gentleman directly to his room to confirm that he is really where he is saying he is, so yes, we need a name to ask for yourself because most of receptions of hotels are verifying to whom you want to speak before transfer the call just to be sure to transfer it adequately with no mistake. I feel very secure to meet someone in his hotel room then.

If I am receiving someone, it is imperative that I need to know that I am not meeting an eventual psychopath to avoid any kind of problems and most of all, to have a possible nice encounter together...
So the idea behind to have some few real infos about someone is that 100% of people not fearing to give few infos aren't maliciously intended. That's a fact. That's an exchange of trust, would I be able to trust someone to be sane and safe to be alone with more if he showed me some trust at first? Yes. And we are not talking here about a complete CV, quand même.

This said, I have been in agency long time ago, and I can tell that I saw the most twisted and less respectuous individuals during that time. Oh yes! I met beautiful nice people as well, but I can tell, the best weirdos (not in the good sense) as well.... but well, you get the picture. The "worst clientèle" is hiding behind anonymity, that's sad for you all guys who want the 100% anonymity, but you must try to understand that part, and ok, I understand your need, so clearly, what is your solution then to be able to satisfy both part? How would you like to be able to calm the fear to meet an eventual psycho when you want to meet together? The best thing being an Indy is to be able to choose and avoid to be alone and in presence of malicious psychos.

 

[sexdor]

I am not married or in a relationship living with someone, simply a single parent, so text me back when you want applies to me as it does to others in this or similar situation. I still expect privacy and respect the SP's need for privacy.

Having said that though after doing this a great many years I do 'screen' via text or email.
If I contact someone and it takes hours or days to hear back from them then that is usually, not always, a good sign. If the SP advertises " contact me Monday to Friday between 10am and sat 5pm" and you do and hear no reply for a few days then right away I drop it ( Yes the SP could be away I get it but this generally still is a good first indicator of not being reliable)
Then I will ask a few specific questions and if the reply in the text is "Yes" then right away its a pass. I asked 4 or 5 questions and the reply is one word "yes" then its a great indication the SP can't be bothered making any effort. Just had this happen with a former agency SP now an Indy with mixed reviews. I did not bother because it reaffirmed those negative reviews.
Yes once again I understand from the SPs point of view she gets bombarded with Texts and it is time consuming. From my point of view and experience though I have learnt that in most cases when I get replies like this the session is usually a waste of time and money. If the SP was lazy in her reply and bare minimum information then she will be even lazier in the session. If its pulling teeth to get an answer then she will cancel, be late or not even show up. If the SP does show up as I said in my experience it is close to being a rip off.
Professional SPs take the time to write and understand that it is part of the business as in any business. If the SP replies fairly promptly and answers your questions then right away this is a good indicator it will carry over into the session. SPs like this last and manage to balance the real world from this world.
It is a good experience for both the client and SP.
Bottom line is you can tell a lot about an SP before you even meet her and I am 100% positive it works both ways as an SP will say the same in terms of screening potential clients.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Another point is I read some on some of the Indys here on their website and their screening process is another example of double standard. I will not point out specific names but some want to know your full legal name, have your work number, job title, the place you work at and call you anonymously to confirm, etc..

I have seen almost the same, the page gets closed and I move on to find someone else, none of their business.

 

[sexdor]

I have seen the almost same, the page gets closed and I move on to find someone else, none of their business.

agreed, more amazed anyone would comply

 

[westwoody]

Email is a far greater risk than phone numbers.

At least twice I have received emails from ladies. They had mistakenly pressed the all button in the address box. So I had a look at all the addresses they were dealing with, many included real names at company addresses and government accounts.

Careless behaviour on both sides.

For confirmation I like to talk to a lady at least once. The tone of their voice and demeanour say a lot. Does she sound nice? or does she sound bitchy and rushed? Is there other people in the background? And with texts you cannot tell if you are talking to her or her pimp.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I have seen almost the same, the page gets closed and I move on to find someone else, none of their business.

Exactly the same thing I do... I just skip those Indys.

agreed, more amazed anyone would comply

I am not surprised at all... Given the amount of bad reviews I read about clients booking girls on Backpage and the like knowing how risky it is... But so long as their are clients complying the practice will continue.

 

[CLOUD 500]

For confirmation I like to talk to a lady at least once. The tone of their voice and demeanour say a lot. Does she sound nice? or does she sound bitchy and rushed? Is there other people in the background? And with texts you cannot tell if you are talking to her or her pimp.

Yep with this I completely agree with.

 

[Maria Divina]

I am not married or in a relationship living with someone, simply a single parent, so text me back when you want applies to me as it does to others in this or similar situation. I still expect privacy and respect the SP's need for privacy.

Having said that though after doing this a great many years I do 'screen' via text or email.
If I contact someone and it takes hours or days to hear back from them then that is usually, not always, a good sign. If the SP advertises " contact me Monday to Friday between 10am and sat 5pm" and you do and hear no reply for a few days then right away I drop it ( Yes the SP could be away I get it but this generally still is a good first indicator of not being reliable)
Then I will ask a few specific questions and if the reply in the text is "Yes" then right away its a pass. I asked 4 or 5 questions and the reply is one word "yes" then its a great indication the SP can't be bothered making any effort. Just had this happen with a former agency SP now an Indy with mixed reviews. I did not bother because it reaffirmed those negative reviews.
Yes once again I understand from the SPs point of view she gets bombarded with Texts and it is time consuming. From my point of view and experience though I have learnt that in most cases when I get replies like this the session is usually a waste of time and money. If the SP was lazy in her reply and bare minimum information then she will be even lazier in the session. If its pulling teeth to get an answer then she will cancel, be late or not even show up. If the SP does show up as I said in my experience it is close to being a rip off.
Professional SPs take the time to write and understand that it is part of the business as in any business. If the SP replies fairly promptly and answers your questions then right away this is a good indicator it will carry over into the session. SPs like this last and manage to balance the real world from this world.
It is a good experience for both the client and SP.
Bottom line is you can tell a lot about an SP before you even meet her and I am 100% positive it works both ways as an SP will say the same in terms of screening potential clients.

And what about ladies that mentioned really clearly in their website that "you could expect an answer in the 24 hours frame"? Some indies are just simply advance booking only.
I know, gentlemen are having the reputation to not read entirely the websites of the ladies and that some just want to have a "quick fix" at the minute they feel for it... but mainly a LOTS of indies are advanced booking people, at least a 24hours, really hard to have a same day encounter if you are a total stranger/never meet previously, because indies don't sit in their car/reserved a taxi/chauffeur in advance, all prepared, in case someone is having a last minute "urge". A lot of indies are offering a build up before meeting, sharing few emails, preparing details to increase the pleasure and plus, we have to contact or verify you to be sure you aren't the eventual psycho we all have heard about. The fact is, with verification we also keep off our ways people that aren't fun to be with also, and this mean basically "more or less mentally or physically abusive". That's our rights (as equally the rights of everyone around) to promote our well-being. This kind of work/activities is so intimate, I think it is just sane and way more intelligent to put everything in place to not be eventually traumatized after. It is a question to stay mentally healthy.

I hope this few lines could explain to who is wondering "why it takes so long".... and of course, I understand there are many kind of providers around, of course, I was talking based from my own experience.

I have the feeling there are mainly only "last minute clients" writing in this thread, so it explains very well your positions on the subject. I hope my explanations will bring you to verify if the ladies you will be contacting in the future are mentioning a certain delay to expect from them being back to you.

Have a good day!

MD xox

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I have the feeling there are mainly only "last minute clients" writing in this thread,

Wrong, if you would have read the posts many are concerned about the no call back after pre-booking or the extensive questions. I think only one person mentioned reply time.

 

[Maria Divina]

Wrong, if you would have read the posts many are concerned about the no call back after pre-booking or the extensive questions. I think only one person mentioned reply time.

Ah ok, that's probably the one I quoted (Sexdor) in my answer?

Much were looking to agree with him, maybe I got the wrong impression? Sorry if you are not yourself STN. xox

 

[sexdor]

Sorry Maria, but I stand behind my post and think it is reasonable and fair and find it odd that all you picked out of it was the time delay. ( if you read I wrote 'do not back for a few DAYS" )
This is not a perfect screening technique , none are and admittedly I could miss out on meeting someone but it has served me well after much trial and error and a lot of error.

 

[Maria Divina]

Sexdor:

Ok, sorry if I have not well read you, and of course, I don't know exactly the context when you are writing and how long you have been waiting... adding that I don't know how you are writing/asking to ladies and etc.
Many variables can play.

Have a nice day!

I am still taking care to shut down my website that have been entirely robbed and filled with a lots of false infos... using still my name, my pics, a bit of my original writing. So sorry, for the moment, that's a major headache for me.

 

[westwoody]

I have the feeling there are mainly only "last minute clients" writing in this thread

I book weeks or months in advance. But I still get those urges!

You ladies need to remember that when a guy gets that urge he loses all ability to think rationally.
If he goes to a website and there are pages and pages of junk...he just says to hell with that and calls or texts her. That is the way guys are with everything, not just making dates with ladies.
Now and then I might call a lady I know after a bad day at work and ask if I can see them. If not, no big deal, if we can hook up then great. But she already knows me so the screening is not an issue.

There are two problems for most guys:
First, anyone with a family or other commitments may not get a chance to book except at the last minute.
Second, the urge can pass, and what then? Guys cannot schedule to be horny.

The eternal dilemma for both sides. Women love planning and anticipation. Guys are impulsive and hate waiting.

 

[CLOUD 500]

The eternal dilemma for both sides. Women love planning and anticipation. Guys are impulsive and hate waiting.

I am the complete opposite. I plan everything to the last detail. I never do anything last minute. I have sometimes some of my regulars contacting me last minute and I always decline.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I completely agree with Maria Divina and Lily of Montreal on this matter. I am also a planner and anticipation guy. My week is scheduled a week in advance with what I plan to do to the last dot. I got no toleration for last minute things as I got many things to do and it takes me long to prepare myself and get ready. So with them I can relate to that. On another note I like texts or emails. Either one is perfect for me. The only communication method I do not like are phone calls. I seen some escorts demand phone calls for first time clients.