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Shantie_mtl

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Few more adds on my original thread. I hope it's gonna help

* Introduction (age, name, location, what you're looking for, timing, date, where, more détails possible) fill the form on the web site if possible

- make your research about the provider (research by picture & phone number), look at the website, read it

- if you want more pictures look at the website, social media, of, or tips $ & request

- provide references or & deposit

- prebook, be on time, confirm 2h before & when you're on your way, text when you're park

- dress classy, take a shower at the arrival, remove your shoes, mouthwash

- put the enveloppe at beginning

- if you didnt tell the provider in your texting, tell what your expecting when you start to chat, because we don't know if you don't tell us

- safe sexe ! Never ask bbbfs

- I never expected gift or tips but its appreciated
(Can be a Ferrero rocher & I will be happy, it's the intention)

- no drug, ask for alcohol if she is ok with

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Good afternoon,

I want to talk about the situation around here.

I lot of provider don't want to post anymore on merb. In the past merb, was the reference.

Thats sad because all the community bring safety and better experience for both side.

75% of all the text I receive in the day is lost of time

90% dont introduced themselve
(Age, name, time, day, duration, what kind of service)

75% dont have any references or dont want to give deposit

75% last minute

50% ask me stuff who are in my restrictions

I can't be make up & ready to go.. 24h/24h & at my best everyday im a humain. I have better day sometime, but every person I meet i give my heart, because I love the human connection.

Stop to compare provider...

Put ahead the good quality of them not only physical.....

My better sex experience was with a heart not a body.

Be prepare, clean, listen.

Make her feel at her best.

Be generous..

Please be smart and don't encourage any bad bisness....

Life is short... Don't be anger...

* Dont forget, you can go an a restaurant and be disappointed and other day really happy.

Opinion may vary for everybody.
 
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2fast2slow

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Allow me a response. I had already posted a thread about difficult clients here: merb clients more demanding. And even within that thread, some posts expressed the opinion that this is not new.

Specifically to your post:

75% of all the text I receive in the day is lost of time - In any business you will have people enquiring and not taking the service. Maybe in this business the proportion is higher, but that probably does not have anything specific to do with merb. That is the burden of being an independant, but independants charge generally more. Working for an agency or massage parlour you avoid all this.

90% dont introduced themselve (Age, name, time, day, duration, what kind of service) - Yeah that's just wrong, men can be stupid in that way

75% dont have any references or dont want to give deposit - In more than 30 years in this hobby I only once or twice had to give a reference, and I never gave a deposit. However, upon showing up and clearly feeling I am not interested, I have called off a meeting and left a small compensatory amount ($20-$40)

75% last minute - I'm guilty of that one :) Being married with a jealous suspicious wife (although who can blame her) last minute appointments can be a necessary evil. However, I always prefaced it with something like: " je suis de passage, auriez-vous une disponibilité de dernière minute par hazard?''. If she says no, it's no.

50% ask me stuff who are in my restrictions: This is the one I believe is tied most directly to merb clients. Full GFE/PSE with beautiful women DOES exist in this business, and merb clients are the most aware of this fact, and are looking for a sure thing. That is partly why this board exists. Of course, I totally get promising high level of services without even seeing the client is a very difficult thing to do. So I never ask restrictions at the onset. I try to use my charm to get the most mileage :-0...If I feel there is no room for growth, I just don't repeat

And finally, I think most merbites are clean, respectful, positive, not too judgemental...etc...but like in anything, a minority ruin it for the majority.

It's a tough job, nobody should dispute that.
 
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Allow me a response. I had already posted a thread about difficult clients here: merb clients more demanding. And even within that thread, some posts expressed the opinion that this is not new.

Specifically to your post:

75% of all the text I receive in the day is lost of time - In any business you will have people enquiring and not taking the service. Maybe in this business the proportion is higher, but that probably does not have anything specific to do with merb. That is the burden of being an independant, but independants charge generally more. Working for an agency or massage parlour you avoid all this.

90% dont introduced themselve (Age, name, time, day, duration, what kind of service) - Yeah that's just wrong, men can be stupid in that way

75% dont have any references or dont want to give deposit - In more than 30 years in this hobby I only once or twice had to give a reference, and I never gave a deposit. However, upon showing up and clearly feeling I am not interested, I have called off a meeting and left a small compensatory amount ($20-$40)

75% last minute - I'm guilty of that one :) Being married with a jealous suspicious wife (although who can blame her) last minute appointments can be a necessary evil. However, I always prefaced it with something like: " je suis de passage, auriez-vous une disponibilité de dernière minute par hazard?''. If she says no, it's no.

50% ask me stuff who are in my restrictions: This is the one I beleive is tied most directly to merb clients. Full GFE/PSE with beautiful women DOES exist in this business, and merb clients are the most aware of this fact, and are looking for a sure thing. That is partly why this board exists. Of course, I totally get promising high level of services without even seeing the client is a very difficult thing to do. So I never ask restrictions on the onset. I try to use my charm to get the most mileage :-0...If I feel there is no room for growth, I just don't repeat

And finally, I think most merbites are clean, respectful, positive, not too judgemental...etc...but like in anything, a minority ruin it for the majority.

It's a tough job, nobody should dipute that.
I pretty much would’ve written the same thing….
 

Julia Sky

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In any business you will have people enquiring and not taking the service.

Of course, but there's a difference between "inquiring and not taking the service" (which happens in every business) versus "inquiring with no intent of ever taking a service in the first place, just to waste someone's time, or worse, actually booking a rdv knowing you will not show up, just because you think it's funny"

However, upon showing up and clearly feeling I am not interested, I have called off a meeting and left a small compensatory amount ($20-$40)

Curious - what would you do in a case where the lady has a cancellation fee, like in my case where my cancellation fee is 50% of the booking amount? 20-40 does not cover that (and is quite cheap for taking time out of someone's schedule, having her get ready for you, and potentially refuse other bookings because the time slot was taken)
 

Shantie_mtl

www.shantiemontreal.com
Allow me a response. I had already posted a thread about difficult clients here: merb clients more demanding. And even within that thread, some posts expressed the opinion that this is not new.

Specifically to your post:

75% of all the text I receive in the day is lost of time - In any business you will have people enquiring and not taking the service. Maybe in this business the proportion is higher, but that probably does not have anything specific to do with merb. That is the burden of being an independant, but independants charge generally more. Working for an agency or massage parlour you avoid all this.

90% dont introduced themselve (Age, name, time, day, duration, what kind of service) - Yeah that's just wrong, men can be stupid in that way

75% dont have any references or dont want to give deposit - In more than 30 years in this hobby I only once or twice had to give a reference, and I never gave a deposit. However, upon showing up and clearly feeling I am not interested, I have called off a meeting and left a small compensatory amount ($20-$40)

75% last minute - I'm guilty of that one :) Being married with a jealous suspicious wife (although who can blame her) last minute appointments can be a necessary evil. However, I always prefaced it with something like: " je suis de passage, auriez-vous une disponibilité de dernière minute par hazard?''. If she says no, it's no.

50% ask me stuff who are in my restrictions: This is the one I believe is tied most directly to merb clients. Full GFE/PSE with beautiful women DOES exist in this business, and merb clients are the most aware of this fact, and are looking for a sure thing. That is partly why this board exists. Of course, I totally get promising high level of services without even seeing the client is a very difficult thing to do. So I never ask restrictions at the onset. I try to use my charm to get the most mileage :-0...If I feel there is no room for growth, I just don't repeat

And finally, I think most merbites are clean, respectful, positive, not too judgemental...etc...but like in anything, a minority ruin it for the majority.

It's a tough job, nobody should dispute that.
I really appreciate you take the time to read and share you perception ! Youre seems a really nice person. Somebody with the few who had bad communication its ruin the patience for us. I just hope we all can work to make more safe and better for everything. Communication is the key and to open to listen.
 
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Shantie_mtl

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Of course, but there's a difference between "inquiring and not taking the service" (which happens in every business) versus "inquiring with no intent of ever taking a service in the first place, just to waste someone's time, or worse, actually booking a rdv knowing you will not show up, just because you think it's funny"



Curious - what would you do in a case where the lady has a cancellation fee, like in my case where my cancellation fee is 50% of the booking amount? 20-40 does not cover that (and is quite cheap for taking time out of someone's schedule, having her get ready for you, and potentially refuse other bookings because the time slot was taken)
I had a lot of bissness other than sw.. but usualy when im looking for something I make some research before.....

The thing I like to know, it's if you looking for :

1. solo or duo :

2. gfe or pse or dom :

3. incall or outcall:

4. Which day ?

5. What time ?

6. Duration of the session :

7. What you are looking for (specific request) :

Location : xx

Take me cleary 20 secondes to fill and its juste make it so much more efficient and no déception
 

2fast2slow

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Of course, but there's a difference between "inquiring and not taking the service" (which happens in every business) versus "inquiring with no intent of ever taking a service in the first place, just to waste someone's time, or worse, actually booking a rdv knowing you will not show up, just because you think it's funny"



Curious - what would you do in a case where the lady has a cancellation fee, like in my case where my cancellation fee is 50% of the booking amount? 20-40 does not cover that (and is quite cheap for taking time out of someone's schedule, having her get ready for you, and potentially refuse other bookings because the time slot was taken)
hey Julia, long time no hear :)

I would argue there are time wasters everywhere in society, but yeah, probably higher proportion in this business.

You are an established provider with very detailed website, etc...you can require a deposit and a cancellation fee.

However, the few times I have declined an appointment upon showing up, it was usually a risk situation, with little knowledge of the provider beforehand. If it aint going to work, it aint going to work. I'm sorry, I don't consider myself cheap.
 

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Good afternoon,

I want to talk about the situation around here.

I lot of provider don't want to post anymore on merb. In the past merb, was the reference.

Thats sad because all the community bring safety and better experience for both side.

75% of all the text I receive in the day is lost of time

90% dont introduced themselve
(Age, name, time, day, duration, what kind of service)

75% dont have any references or dont want to give deposit

75% last minute

50% ask me stuff who are in my restrictions

I can't be make up & ready to go.. 24h/24h & at my best everyday im a humain. I have better day sometime, but every person I meet i give my heart, because I love the human connection.

Stop to compare provider...

Put ahead the good quality of them not only physical.....

My better sex experience was with a heart not a body.

Be prepare, clean, listen.

Make her feel at her best.

Be generous..

Please be smart and don't encourage any bad bisness....

Life is short... Don't be anger...

* Dont forget, you can go an a restaurant and be disappointed and other day really happy.

Opinion may vary for everybody.
Very well said !
 
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Julia Sky

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However, the few times I have declined an appointment upon showing up, it was usually a risk situation, with little knowledge of the provider beforehand. If it aint going to work, it aint going to work. I'm sorry, I don't consider myself cheap.

Yet she still got ready and was there to receive you, her not being reviewed does not mean she is bad at what she does or that she didn't miss out on another opportunity. She got ready to see you, the fact that you think she's ugly upon arrival does not cancel this. :/
 

2fast2slow

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Yet she still got ready and was there to receive you, her not being reviewed does not mean she is bad at what she does or that she didn't miss out on another opportunity. She got ready to see you, the fact that you think she's ugly upon arrival does not cancel this. :/
or her place is a dump and smells bad....why are you attacking me?
 

Cap'tain Fantastic

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Although I dont deny any of your recriminations, I see/read these all over Twitter, some SPs going as far as to state that Mtl johns are the cheapest and, of course are more than reluctant to deal with deposits, screening etc. sometimes specificaly targeting merb members. It has come to the point where, even posting a review is almost considered grossly rude and enough to get shamed and blocked.

As true as these statements might be, from the SW's point of view, there are a few major reasons as to why it is like this.

For most old merb members Mtl has always been the promised land for hobbying in Canada. Cheapest rates combining the best real GFE with the most gorgeous girls was a sure win situation for the longest time. Deposits and even thourough screening was not even part of the vocabulary.

Came the covid crisis and all of sudden all the decent indys started to crank up their rates, to the point where nowaday there is generally no big differences between the rest of Canada. No big deal, its only fair game, nobody is forcing us to partake.

But now, what we see more and more is, johns are starting to mention how they get cut short of their time, in different ways, depending on the girl's imagination.
Also it has been mentioned several times that they get deny certain activities that we're usually part of the GFE services. Some providers are even redefining what GFE is, while some are luring clients into booking, promising everything on the menu but refusing to deliver when the money has been cashed in. I am aware of the hygiene issues here, but what I am referring to is not part of it.

Regarding deposits, since it has never been implemented here in Mtl, you girls, should be aware that, what you are trying to do is changing a mentality, a culture, so to speak. That has always been a big challenge, in any field of activity.

Add to that the amount of scams we see/hear from ads site, and a few horror stories examples we read about some, supposedly "well known and reliable" providers also scamming clients with deposit, and you have the perfect combination to keep the johns from willing to send deposits.

All this can also explain some why we see more rudeness when booking, from both sides. Maybe the pandemic has affected us more than we realized, socially speaking.
 

Shantie_mtl

www.shantiemontreal.com
Thanks you for everybody who shared their point of view. I like to know both side.

They never will have a perfect way to please all of us.

More we team up, more we gonna make it better & safe.

I'm sorry, I didnt want to be negative in my first thread. Positive only ++

I just thing with better communication and sensibility.

Covid change a lot but for all the bisness & also about life decisions. Everybody have a different bissness perceptions. Some prefer to see less customer but create à better connection. Price is à number (why dior, nike have différents price).. and should never be discute here....

Montréal have a lot of good customer. Im very lucky. I make so much good connection. But so many timewaster... We just need more patience than other cities. A lot of provider like when you fill their form in their website ..

For the review : only possitive should be allowed. If negative will be about the cleaning, bad organisation, bad connexion, bad hygiene.

I offer to refer all my customer & also to ask me to give them other trustable names.

I think we should not put gfe or pse on à service.
We all like différents stuff. Your best friend probably don't watch the same porn.

I think would be better to introduice yourself with your needs with that you may be easier to please you better

Anytime im always there to help, if its serious.
 
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75% dont have any references or dont want to give deposit
Hi ,

I stopped seeing indies for about 3 years but now i would love to go back and see some new indies....My problem now is i can't give any references because they ask for 6months reference ..!

I have seen some very wellknow indies like Rose de Lacourt, Sasha Johansen, Delilah Sansregret...and some retired indies but now i can't even give their name like references...

I'm still a same guy 6 moths or 3 years ago...So i don't understand that kind of 6 months reference ...! so i really give up with that...!

I had bad experience with deposit so for me is a NO. Give a real ID may not neither.. !
 
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Of course, but there's a difference between "inquiring and not taking the service" (which happens in every business) versus "inquiring with no intent of ever taking a service in the first place, just to waste someone's time, or worse, actually booking a rdv knowing you will not show up, just because you think it's funny"



Curious - what would you do in a case where the lady has a cancellation fee, like in my case where my cancellation fee is 50% of the booking amount? 20-40 does not cover that (and is quite cheap for taking time out of someone's schedule, having her get ready for you, and potentially refuse other bookings because the time slot was taken)
Just curious, cancellation fee of 50%, how do you enforce that?
 

Halloween Mike

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Good afternoon,

I want to talk about the situation around here.

Hi Shantie,

I want to adresse a bit about this situation because i understand what you mean but i also have seen the other side being active on Twitter and seeing a lot of SW messages. Ill try to adresse every points.

1) I lot of provider don't want to post anymore on merb. In the past merb, was the reference.

I think Merb has always been seen as a necessary "evil" by certain providers. I am not saying all of course, some enjoy it, but some think the very concept of review is "gross" or they want a certain type of reviews.This can be tricky to balance. I seen the term "slhobbyst" pup often for instance.

2) 75% of all the text I receive in the day is lost of time

I can feel you on that. I personally only inquire if i have legit intention to book, that said i do not live in Montreal and its not because i text in a certain day that its to make a booking right away tough. It may be in a week or 2, i may be inquiring to see if the type of service may fit. I make very few trips to Montreal and i try to be "selective" on who i see. In your specific case i think you been always very open about what you offer or not so that extra step is not necessary and peoples shouldn't make you loose your time. But its not all providers who do.

3)
90% dont introduced themselve
(Age, name, time, day, duration, what kind of service)

When looking at an indy add, i note everything she would like to know. So if its there, ill make sure to answer it. But if its not, ill admit i may not give by default all these infos. Simply because i do not think about it.

4) 75% dont have any references or dont want to give deposit

This is the trickiest one for me. I mostly use agencies and often they do not "count" as reference. Most of the indies i saw currently are retired or do not publicaly advertise, i will admit at the moment i have not much "valid references" to provide. But im willing to provide my board handle. Would that be enough for you out of curiosity? I mean i been around for over a decade, im well known in the community. I know some providers do not like my take and would probably refuse to see me out of personal opinions. I been blocked by some on twitter for instance. That said its always about opinions and such. Im as "safe" as it can get. When it comes to deposit its really not something i want to do. Im not at ease with this. At the very worst for somebody very well reviewed/known i would be ok with a gift card concept, but im not ok with the bank transfer concept. Just a personal thing.

5) 75% last minute

This one i totally understand your point of view, but i also understand the clients point of view. As i say i am not from Montreal, i need to book in advance so in my case advance pre-booking is my way. But i have a friend who told me he need to be "horny" to book someone. It just happen for him. Granted myself i have a very high libido (not sure if its the right term) but what im trying to say is im kinda always "horny" lol, even the days im tired or less feeling it. So its not too much an issue for me having to work that way. Maybe last booking options work better with agencies, but even agencies these days are often 75% booked even before the first shift start. So clients need to accomodate, especially if trying to see someone popular. Anyway what im trying to say is i agree with you on this one, but its easy for me as i have a high libido.

6) 50% ask me stuff who are in my restrictions

If its clearly listed as a restriction, they shouldn't ask. Im with you on that.

7)
Stop to compare provider...

Put ahead the good quality of them not only physical.....

My better sex experience was with a heart not a body.

Comparing when going for a "service" is sadly something that come up naturally. Its not with bad intents. I do try personally to put all the positive and look is only a part of what make a great encounter that way, but its what may draw me to someone originally (unless we meet in a party or have several online interaction and i feel i would really get a good time with that person) I agree on last part as i had stellar meetings where the providers was not the hottest ever. If i have to choose between a super hot one that is disinterested and give me the vibe she would rather be anywhere but there at that moment, or one that is not as "bomshell" but is fully into it, of course i choose the latest.

8)
Be prepare, clean, listen.

Make her feel at her best.

Be generous..

Please be smart and don't encourage any bad bisness....

I always do the first line, and i always try to be friendly and make her feel at ease, altough i myself have still some shyness in meetings even over a decade later, sometimes resulting funny enough in me talking too much or being all over the place lol. This can be ease up a lot when the provider is friendly and nice tough. As for being generous well... im assuming you mean gifts and tips, but you have to understand its not everyone that is that way. Ill be honest with you, i save money to see providers, and altough i don't mind paying for extras (its only normal) , thats as much as i usually go. In outcall i often have beers (and i drink micros, not commercial, so its always quality stuff) these days so i offer it but i don't go out of my way to buy an expensive bottle of wine or other fancy stuff. I only book 1h too tough i don't feel its much of a requirement to have an open bar if you know what i mean. In incall i assume she got what she need there so i never bring anything. I don't drink myself before sex, just after, and in incall i got to leave when its done so...

Im not sure what you meant in the last line. I try to stick with merb and avoid shady ads myself, but some guys just like the thrill of "the hunt" so i guess to each their own...

9)
The thing I like to know, it's if you looking for :

1. solo or duo :

2. gfe or pse or dom :

3. incall or outcall:

4. Which day ?

5. What time ?

6. Duration of the session :

7. What you are looking for (specific request) :

Location : xx

Thats a lot to cram in a first text imo and ill be honest i would never think of putting all of that. For instance maybe its just me and how i operate but a provider or agency booker should assume that if unspecify, you want a solo and 1h. I think a duo inquiry will be specifically mentioned as well as peoples who enjoy multiple hours. The rare times i get the time question its at the end when all is set, i just reply yeah 1 hour is fine for me. Some of the rest tough is totally normal to provide like wich day and time slot (i usually suggest one but im open to a counter offer).

10) For the review : only possitive should be allowed. If negative will be about the cleaning, bad organisation, bad connexion, bad hygiene.

This i disagree. I think a review should be honest. There is obviously ways to say stuff politely. But if something was really not to your liking, mentioning it may help others who like the same thing or maybe even be a constructive criticism for the provider. That said your last points cover mostly what can make things go south to me. I put "connection" in the same basket as chemistry but also "not trying", disinterested etc.

10) I think we should not put gfe or pse on à service.

I think GFE is well defined in montreal, altough PSE can be a bit more "variable". Some says PSE is greek/anal, for me its mostly facial. Its just the term PSE is kinda easier/classier than saying the porn theme in my opinion. But maybe its just me that is kinda shy to ask "i would like to do a facial, is that ok" lol.

I will conclude this first post in saying that the same feeling you been seeing among providers toward merb, i been seeing it as a client toward providers who use social medias. I don't want to be rude, but i feel some providers really are more "entitled" these days or are just expressing it more than before. I agree with Captain Fantastic. Since Covid it seem the indy side has been cranking their rates off the roof, asking for more things (deposits, more reference, full names etc) and just as he says, trying to change the culture of Montreal overall. Thats their right, but its also ours to like the old ways and decide not to partake. I don't think i can say much more because Merb Moderation has been very picky about talking rates in the last couple years, even when not targetting a specific provider, but lets just say that Hotels, Plane tickets etc are not cheap. Having to constantly tour is probably taking up a chunk of that money. And reason for touring so often (unless they love visiting these places that much), is likely because they ain't getting enough business in Montreal and well ill let you put 2 and 2 together.

But i do agree with you we should make effort on both side. I know some clients are just time wasters or plain bad peoples. I heard about it and i seen some text. I understand providers get cranked up fast and put some major rules sometimes to avoid these. That said, i will say there is a few providers i would had likely book by now if not for certain restrictions in booking (deposit etc). I respect their decision to do business that way, but in doing so they remove me as a client and surely others. Some may be happy to not get my business because im not a high roller and its what they want, but if their "screening" would be a bit more open (allowing a merb long time handle for instance) then i would book. When i see an expensive indy post "available" every day in her add thread im like ... well... business must be low. But why you think? ;) I feel there is a client/provider arm wrestling at this time, and its about who will "break" first to shape the futur of Montreal. It shouldn't be that way. We should all make efforts.
 

Shantie_mtl

www.shantiemontreal.com
Hi ,

I stopped seeing indies for about 3 years but now i would love to go back and see some new indies....My problem now is i can't give any references because they ask for 6months reference ..!

I have seen some very wellknow indies like Rose de Lacourt, Sasha Johansen, Delilah Sansregret...and some retired indies but now i can't even give their name like references...

I'm still a same guy 6 moths or 3 years ago...So i don't understand that kind of 6 months reference ...! so i really give up with that...!

I had bad experience with deposit so for me is a NO. Give a real ID may not neither.. !

Rose, Delihah im pretty sure they gonna give references 1or 2 is enough. I always answer pretty quick for my side for references. Sonia Von Sachez already refer me a customer .. he come see me to get a references... some are really strick about for few reason... Major safety... maybe if you take just time to tell them you meet those provider... but everybody have their own bisness décision... I dont do outcall without deposit . I still ask deposit if I already know the person... maybe à good introduction + deposit.. some accept giftcard or wishtender
 
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