How you can get the best experiences

[Halloween Mike]

I saw client every day on my trip to Ottawa and I also went out to bars, restaurants, the market, did some shopping... I'm sure an escort can find the time to explore on a trip as well



I'm comparing a business with a business, don't get it twisted! Why would you try to talk over me and tell me that I'm wrong in regards to my experience? Someone can be fully booked with one appointment every 2 days, and someone else can have 4 appointments in one day and not consider that fully booked - everyone runs their business differently.

I just assume that if you see clients daytime, unless as you say 1 or 2 clients is enough (wich would question how lucrative the trip would be) you kinda fill the daytime and therefore a lot of tourist attractions may be unavailable in the night time. But yes you can still enjoy bars and other things during the evening. But again im just assuming, but if you have clients from 10 am onward you probably not gonna party til 3am. Anyway this is just speculation based on my point of view. Wich lead me to my second point.

Im not telling you your experience is wrong. Im telling my point of view in a realistic manner. Everybody has a different experience. If yours is great and in a certain way, then it is yours and thats fine. I know we have very different point of views on a lot of things in life, including this business, and its fine. Im a gamer and i have different point of views in that as well with other gamers wich is off topic so im not gonna develop but what i mean is there is no wrong or right there. What i pointed out is that at a certain ammount that is over market price for a certain city, business MAY not be flourishing wich COULD reflect in advertising. Can i be wrong? Yes. Can i be right? Yes. Its guessing. You have your own experience but yours do not equal everybody either.

I got to know you a bit over the years and i know you are a strong minded person and im not saying this as an attack or anything, but you often shown me your point of view is the only point of view that should be in your eyes. I know because im guilty of it as well sometimes. I try to open myself more to different point of views lately tough and accept that pov and opinions are just an individual personal view.

 

[Halloween Mike]

I just don't understand why guys can't just shut up, follow a lady's preferences and get on with the sex. Every business sets its own processes and standards. If we don't like them, we go somewhere else and we move on. We need to stop trying to mansplain shit to the ladies who know themselves and their businesses far beter than we do

There is 2 sides of this business. Providers and Clients. We can have different views and having a conversation is certainly not "mansplaining" (i hate that term). We are on a board that is specifically made for reviews and conversations concerning this business. Is it wrong to mention certain point of views, preferences and such as a client? Is it wrong for the providers to do the same? No in both case. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Threads are created with the idea of having a conversation about something. Wich is what we do.

You can respect the business and know indeed that it is not an easy job, while also disagreeing with certain things.

 

[4me2]

Of course, but there's a difference between "inquiring and not taking the service" (which happens in every business) versus "inquiring with no intent of ever taking a service in the first place, just to waste someone's time, or worse, actually booking a rdv knowing you will not show up, just because you think it's funny"



Curious - what would you do in a case where the lady has a cancellation fee, like in my case where my cancellation fee is 50% of the booking amount? 20-40 does not cover that (and is quite cheap for taking time out of someone's schedule, having her get ready for you, and potentially refuse other bookings because the time slot was taken)

How do you "collect" your 50% cancellation fee ?

 

[Fradi]

How do you "collect" your 50% cancellation fee ?

I think this was explained before by an SP.
Basically you can’t but you can stop seeing that client and black list him and they can also spread the word that you have a habit of cancelling and not paying a cancellation fee which will make it difficult for you to book an Indy again. They have their own “Merb” and they communicate much better and faster than we do, they need to, they are much more vulnerable to all kind of bad situations than we are.

For my part if I cancel within 24 hours I will not only pay the cancellation fee but the full amount. Simply put my word is worth more than a couple of hundred bucks and I value the time that she set aside for me and plan to see her sometime in the future.

 

[Fradi]

The explanation : there have been instances of bad clients acting right with one escort so he could gain a good reference and then go on to abuse other escorts. So when a client asks you to give him a reference after so much time has passed, it can be a red flag that maybe you're the only one he was nice to in order to get a good reference from you whenever the need arises. We don't want to be the one to give a good reference to a client who turns out to be abusive to the other lady, so we are suspicious of clients asking for references 6 months or more after meeting. Why does he not have a more recent reference to give? We understand that some people genuinely don't see escorts often at all, however we can't take that risk as it could put a colleague in danger!

The only issue with this is that some people like me see very few escorts, but see them regularly now if those happen to be ones that don’t like giving references then you are out of luck. Not all ladies are willing to give a reference some actually get pissed that you would see another lady instead of them and some will only give one if you have seen them multiple times so nothing is as simple as it sounds.
Deposit instead ? Sorry but a deposit is only good to protect against time wasters it doesn't do shit for safety, there are just as many scumbags with money as ones without.

luckily that is not the case with me I have no issues in asking for a reference, but I have actually heard this said by escorts themselves.
Yes I know, simple answer is then you are seeing the wrong escort.

 

[Erosboy]

There is 2 sides of this business. Providers and Clients. We can have different views and having a conversation is certainly not "mansplaining" (i hate that term). We are on a board that is specifically made for reviews and conversations concerning this business. Is it wrong to mention certain point of views, preferences and such as a client? Is it wrong for the providers to do the same? No in both case. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. Threads are created with the idea of having a conversation about something. Wich is what we do.

You can respect the business and know indeed that it is not an easy job, while also disagreeing with certain things.

There are two parts to every business. But this is one of the few businesses where the clients feel entitled to dictate the processes, terms and conditions of the relationship. Though, to be fair, the younger generation these days seems to feel it can dictate everything to everyone (yes, I can an angry "get off my lawn" old man sometimes )

And while we may dislike "mansplaining" I don't know what else it is when we guys try and tell the women in the biz what to do given that we've never been female sex workers.

 

[Halloween Mike]

There are two parts to every business. But this is one of the few businesses where the clients feel entitled to dictate the processes, terms and conditions of the relationship.

And while we may dislike "mansplaining" I don't know what else it is when we guys try and tell the women in the biz what to do given that we've never been female sex workers.

I am not entitled at all to anything. I think this business is base on respect and trust from both side. Scaming/theft can happen on both side. Bad apples are on both side. Its true tough that once you are "experimented" you get better at dodging the bad side as a client but even then you ain't full proof. I guess SPs mirror reaction is all these new restrictions we saw in later years.

Look i don't blame them to seek security. Its actually smart and a good thing. I don't think the current way is THE way tough.

I would feel much safer personally as a client knowing a security agent (not a pimp... A SECURITY AGENT, someone hired BY the escort) is on location to make sure she is safe rather than having to go extensive screening and deposit. I don't want hassle or risk on my side.

Yes its an extra cost i supose but at the premium price these indies ask can they not pay a dude 20/25$ an hour? 25 out of 500 ain't a huge %...

As for the second part of the quote yes we never been sex workers as in "escorts" but we know the business. We been in it long enough to learn a lot. I don't think our opinion is worth nothing.

I been a client, i briefly been a booker, i been "around" the business long enough and i feel im an honest/nice person enough to think i can be reasonable in finding a middle ground that would be satisfying to both sides.

I always been an advocate to this business and the positive it bring in the world. I love it with all my heart man. And there is times im thinking i should go the Sonia Von Sacher way and go full public about it. Cause im not ashamed to be a client at all. I don't care for the judgement eyes.

But i do think the legal aspect could be an issue

 

[Fradi]

There are two parts to every business. But this is one of the few businesses where the clients feel entitled to dictate the processes, terms and conditions of the relationship. Though, to be fair, the younger generation these days seems to feel it can dictate everything to everyone (yes, I can an angry "get off my lawn" old man sometimes )

And while we may dislike "mansplaining" I don't know what else it is when we guys try and tell the women in the biz what to do given that we've never been female sex workers.

I don’t know where this is coming from that the client dictates the process.
Quite the opposite, for me what ever the lady says as far as price what she offers what she is comfortable with is the way it will be.
I make my choice based on what she says on her web page, or if there is something that I want that is not mentioned I simply ask and whatever she says goes. I don’t try to push her boundaries, then again I am quite easy to please.
Why would I want to dictate any terms or anything for that matter, it makes no sense, I want her to be at ease and comfortable that is when they are at their best.

I don’t treat any SP any different than when I wanted to date a special young woman in my younger years ( actually with them it is far better because there is no anxiety about the outcome and almost zero chance of a rejection) they are not different they are women and should be treated with respect and kindness there really is no magic to having a good outcome, and if in the end it still doesn’t work out to your liking, no big deal, I spent a couple of hundred bucks, so what, not going to be a life changer or put me in a different tax bracket.

 

[Fradi]

I am not entitled at all to anything. I think this business is base on respect and trust from both side. Scaming/theft can happen on both side. Bad apples are on both side. Its true tough that once you are "experimented" you get better at dodging the bad side as a client but even then you ain't full proof. I guess SPs mirror reaction is all these new restrictions we saw in later years.

Look i don't blame them to seek security. Its actually smart and a good thing. I don't think the current way is THE way tough.

I would feel much safer personally as a client knowing a security agent (not a pimp... A SECURITY AGENT, someone hired BY the escort) is on location to make sure she is safe rather than having to go extensive screening and deposit. I don't want hassle or risk on my side.

Yes its an extra cost i supose but at the premium price these indies ask can they not pay a dude 20/25$ an hour? 25 out of 500 ain't a huge %...

I know you mean well but a Security Agent, hell no, before you know it that security agent will think he is Sherlock Holmes and he will be the biggest pain in the ass. These guys usually don’t come with a high IQ.

 

[CaptRenault]

Hey Shantie, the URL in your mini-profile (the one that shows to the left of each one of your posts) has an incorrect URL for your website: wwww.shantiex.com

 

[Julia Sky]

I just assume that if you see clients daytime, unless as you say 1 or 2 clients is enough (wich would question how lucrative the trip would be) you kinda fill the daytime and therefore a lot of tourist attractions may be unavailable in the night time. But yes you can still enjoy bars and other things during the evening. But again im just assuming, but if you have clients from 10 am onward you probably not gonna party til 3am.

I did mention shopping and the market didn't I?

Imagine this :

7am to 10am : 3hr appointment
11am to 3pm : free time
4pm to 6pm : 2hr appointment
7pm to 9pm : free time
10pm to 11pm : 1hr appointment

Even if all appointments were GFE and no extras, I'd still have made over 2000$ that day, with free time to explore the city from 11am-3pm and in the evening.

Please stop thinking your experience as a client and booker means you know enough to talk over actual female sex workers about the ins and outs of our business. This is literally our job. We're the ones who *live it*. We know what our work days are like.

 

[Halloween Mike]

7am to 10am : 3hr appointment
11am to 3pm : free time
4pm to 6pm : 2hr appointment
7pm to 9pm : free time
10pm to 11pm : 1hr appointment

Even if all appointments were GFE and no extras, I'd still have made over 2000$ that day, with free time to explore the city from 11am-3pm and in the evening.

Please stop thinking your experience as a client and booker means you know enough to talk over actual female sex workers about the ins and outs of our business. This is literally our job. We're the ones who *live it*. We know what our work days are like.

You know what YOUR work days are. That is your experience, your schedule, and thats your absolute right to do it this way if you find clients to partake in it. I know personally i wouldn't go meet an escort at 7am but maybe thats just me... Assuming you do meet someone at 7 am, you have to get ready and likely get up at 5h30/6 (again maybe im assuming but women in my experience rarely get ready in 15m after waking up), so finishing with a client at 11 ... does it mean immediate sleep? Cause in my book that leave you with very few sleep hours. But hey again if that work for you, great. You can't argue with me tough that seem as a very unlikely "popular schedule". From what i see on Instagram it seem a lot of the high end escorts who tour love to party in the evening. And before anyone says anything, lots of them actually advertise their insta and tag their friends who advertise with full face pics, its not some super secretive detective work knowing who is who...

I personally am not a traveller so i am not really knowledgable on the cost of plane tickets, but i am assuming it must be at least close to 1000$ for Vancouver? Maybe im even completely under with inflation and everything. But basically its not cheap. Escorts usually host in 4-5 stars hotels so again, must be 350-400$ the night (considering 2-3 stars at around 150-200 these days) . I was just saying these cost likely add fast. Then if you go shopping (market you mention) or do other activities, unless you lucky to have clients take you in it (wich is possible), thats extra cost.

So that 2000$ a day, assuming you can make it and its a fully booked day, a chunck of it certainly is gone from logistics. And thats not to mention taxes wich you may or may not fill (i know some SPs does, others don't).

Anyway. I never pretended to know everything about everyone. Im speculating. Every situations is different. Its just having a conversation.

 

[Shantie_mtl]

You can't dismiss the ones that are very well known and have clients booking them 4-6 hours, eating out, going to shows or exhibits, shopping and ending the evening having sex for an hour or so. Some of these girls make serious money and will never go back to doing 60 minutes johns. Not all wallets are the same!

I do have that kind of customer but I prefer to keep it discrete .. i dont like to compare ..

 

[Julia Sky]

You're speculating but you use wording that makes it sound like "girls who tour dont make enough money at home" (while simultaneously saying that touring must be expensive lmao?) and like "we never see the sunlight on a tour", it's frankly insulting.

As for how we spend our money, none of your business, the point was just to let you know touring does not equal a lack of clients at home, and fully booked does not necessarily mean you don't see the sun either lol.

My experience isnt everyone else's, I am aware, but I'm in a better position than you are to "speculate" and I didn't make blanket statement about all escorts or women, like you did.

(And yes plenty of clients love morning dates before they go to work!)

 

[Biggie Smalls]

I'll answer the question:

1-be clean
2-have agreed donation ready
3-be attractive
4-don't be unattractive

 

[Fradi]

(And yes plenty of clients love morning dates before they go to work!)

I love morning dates, and don’t have to work.

 

[Fradi]

I'll answer the question:

1-be clean
2-have agreed donation ready
3-be attractive
4-don't be unattractive

Hmmm attractive, if you had to be attractive to have a good session with an SP I would think more than half would have horrible sessions lol.
Luckily $$$ is an exceptional beautifier.

 

[curly]

Hmmm attractive, if you had to be attractive to have a good session with an SP I would think more than half would have horrible sessions lol.
Luckily $$$ is an exceptional beautifier.

Not very kind to your clients... but interesting perspective...

 

[Fradi]

Not very kind to your clients... but interesting perspective...

Not really an interesting perspective, more like reality.
If all clients were such young handsome devils there wouldn’t be such a need to pay for it would there.
$$$ does come in handy. Never would have entered my mind in my younger days.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Not really an interesting perspective, more like reality.
If all clients were such young handsome devils there wouldn’t be such a need to pay for it would there.
$$$ does come in handy. Never would have entered my mind in my younger days.

I never hobbied before reaching 47 and it was more out of laziness and not wanting to play the game anymore.