Is carbonneau truly the coach we need in Montreal ?
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You forgot something he is the coach of the Boston. Bruins was fired from Montreal by Bob Gainey and the player who got him fired are still hereHG Hunter said:
I still can't believe that at a time where every game is a must-win game, the Habs lost to the lowly (and league worse) NY Islanders last night...at home!
Without checking the boxscore or team lineups, can someone name 3 NY Islanders players who played last night?
(Anyone know where Go Habs Go disappeared to again?)
Without checking the boxscore or team lineups, can someone name 3 NY Islanders players who played last night?
(Anyone know where Go Habs Go disappeared to again?)
I just saw a poll on 110% where 77% of Habs fans wouldn't accept a unilingual angophone coach as the team's head coach.
Only 23% of respondents said they wouldn't care.
Sports personality Yvon Pedneault added that he isn't surprised since the Habs are part of Quebec culture. He agrees with the majority of the poll's respondents.
Only 23% of respondents said they wouldn't care.
Sports personality Yvon Pedneault added that he isn't surprised since the Habs are part of Quebec culture. He agrees with the majority of the poll's respondents.
You have to realize that in all professional sports there is probably no other franchise that is as connected to, as much a part of, it's home town's culture as the Canadiens are. The team is a symbol of French Canada and hopefully that will never change. I really don't see what the problem is in wanting the coach to be able to communicate with the majority of the team's fans in their own language, even if it's just in very basic French.
No one is saying that the coach has to be a francophone or be perfectly bilingual. Just that he should at least be able to make an effort and speak at least a little French as a sign of respect for the history of the team and it's fans. It has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with respect.
No one is saying that the coach has to be a francophone or be perfectly bilingual. Just that he should at least be able to make an effort and speak at least a little French as a sign of respect for the history of the team and it's fans. It has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with respect.
Techman said:
Listen, anyone that has risen to the rank of coaching candidate for an NHL team would have crossed paths with enough french by now to know a little bit, but it should not be a qualification, that he is not enough "like we are", the Penguins did not care that Mario did not speak English, or that Jagr did not speak french or English, Mario has even criticized Quebec Hockey, as has Martin Brodeur.
Tech - as far as the habs being woven into the culture more than any other team in pro-sports, I beg to differ... remember the team is called the canadiens, in a province that is easily the least patriotic, so much so.. that we pretend, to our own detriment, that we are anti-canada, how ridiculous is that? What happened to the Nordiques, where was all the hockey pride then, yeah, the habs are a big deal here, I am a fan myself and unfortunately went last night to the game.... what did I see besides a poor hockey game... was fairweather fans... the truth is we having no other sport history to cling to, and lets face it.... as much as I love the Habs, it has not felt the same since we left the forum, turning it into a cinema and future shop. Imagine if they had turned yankee stadium into a shopping mall. Fortunately I have been to many cities, visited many teams, while there is legit pride and interest in the Habs here, it does not compare to the pride and connection shown in:
Green Bay Packers
Boston Red Sox - outstanding knowledge, best baseball fans, historic park
NY Yankees - need I say more
Kansas City Chiefs - you would be surprised how loyal those fans are.
Maple Leafs
Bruins
Red Wings
LA Lakers
Pittsburgh Steelers - an outright religion, has to be the greatest, most loyal, historic and knowledgeble, it is breathtaking how they have held on to thier fans since the NFL modern era began.
The reason we feel that there is no other pro team connected to its fans like we are to the Canadiens, is because that is how we feel about everything, there is some delusion that Montreal is the greatest city to ever exist, and that there is no culture in any other US or Canadian city, and that the food is the best here, unfortunately this attitude is a product of the way we have isolated ourselves from the rest of Canada, like there couldnt possibly be anything as great as us. It is time to evolve a little, branch out some, it is necessary to keep us from falling further behind, our public school system is suffering and canadian kids know little about canadian history or N. American history. We are really little more than an extension to our older brother the US, and that is not a bad thing.
The Next Habs Coach
After watching recent games involving the Habs, i've concluded that Don Lever cannot be named coach of the team next season. My conclusion has nothing to do with the fact his not fluent in french (which is still a big reason he won't be the coach). I base my opinion on the fact the man has absolutely no charisma! Heck, he's so low key that he makes Bob Gainey look like Robin Williams!!!
Not only does the Habs coach have to be fluent in french, but it's expected that he has at least an ounce of charisma since it's part of his duties that in a hockey market like Mtl, he meets with the press on a daily basis. Lever doesn't look like the type who likes to talk to the press.
Oh yeah, i just checked the standings. The Habs are now only two points ahead of 9th place & being out of the playoff picture. I'll say it again & again:
THE HABS WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS !!!
(Seriously, does a team fighting for its life for a playoff position deserve to participate in the post-season when it can't even beat the league-worse NY Islanders at home?)
(It's time to fold the suitcase, let go of those 10 or 11 free agents....get rid of Gainey & start over)
After watching recent games involving the Habs, i've concluded that Don Lever cannot be named coach of the team next season. My conclusion has nothing to do with the fact his not fluent in french (which is still a big reason he won't be the coach). I base my opinion on the fact the man has absolutely no charisma! Heck, he's so low key that he makes Bob Gainey look like Robin Williams!!!
Not only does the Habs coach have to be fluent in french, but it's expected that he has at least an ounce of charisma since it's part of his duties that in a hockey market like Mtl, he meets with the press on a daily basis. Lever doesn't look like the type who likes to talk to the press.
Oh yeah, i just checked the standings. The Habs are now only two points ahead of 9th place & being out of the playoff picture. I'll say it again & again:
THE HABS WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS !!!
(Seriously, does a team fighting for its life for a playoff position deserve to participate in the post-season when it can't even beat the league-worse NY Islanders at home?)
(It's time to fold the suitcase, let go of those 10 or 11 free agents....get rid of Gainey & start over)
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Next coach must be able to speak French...
Directly from the president of the Canadiens...
http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/271536.html
Directly from the president of the Canadiens...
http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/271536.html
And now you can kiss the cup goodbye in Montreal
If talent and being the best person for the job is not the driving force in acquiring the right coach, then what is ? Linguistic skills, fashion, color of eyes , hair style???
For a team it should be about winning, not the socio-political makeup of Quebec.
Maybe there's a good coach in France, or Morocco ??
I really do not care if the coach speaks Mandarin, Latin or Saxon, just as long as he can speak hockey!
If talent and being the best person for the job is not the driving force in acquiring the right coach, then what is ? Linguistic skills, fashion, color of eyes , hair style???
For a team it should be about winning, not the socio-political makeup of Quebec.
Maybe there's a good coach in France, or Morocco ??
I really do not care if the coach speaks Mandarin, Latin or Saxon, just as long as he can speak hockey!
you took the words right out of my mouth Porter, errrrrr wait a second, i already said all this basically , lol. but anyways the Canadien "brains" are clueless when it comes to this and they think some kind of "loyalaty to the past" or "tradition" is gonna bring them a cup, well maybe someday it will, but by not hiring the best coach for the job because he cant speak french is the stupidest thing i have ever heard, what a joke the guys behind the scene of Le Canadien are , (the fans of the HABS deserve better), letting the city of Toronto keep its honor of the #1 hockey city in Canada and maybe the world, can you imagine what the city will be like when the Leafs get this rebuilding period over the hump and start their march to the top? its alot sooner then you think people....... they may not win the cup next yr or 2 but there gonna be a very strong team with a great chance at it, while the Canadiens brain power will still be searching for a french speaking coach who will lead them to a cup 
Porter said:
Porter said:
I agree. But Boivin doesn't realize that hockey has changed & it's not how it used to be when teams such as Mtl could afford back then to sacrifice coaching skills in favor of a french-speaking average coach (with or without NHL experience....usually without). With this philosophy, i doubt the Habs will ever come close to winning a Cup unless they completely re-think their philosophy in regards to coaching.
There used to be days when a team consisting of great players made average coaches look very good. Not anymore.
Doc Holliday said:
The primary issue with this thought is the HABS are not a great TEAM... Kovalev was never a leader and Price isn't even an average goalie now that his glove hand was exposed by the Flyers in last seasons playoffs.
Goaltending tends to make coaches look GREAT or AVERAGE.
jackd1959 said:
There shouldn't even be discussion about Kovalev being a leader. That crappy Koivu is the one who's had the 'C' for the past decade. All he's done is underachieve & cause chaos in the clubhouse. He's one of the bad apples on the team, you can bet on that. He's a coach-killer & many good players were sent away because they couldn't get along with him.
As for Kovy, he's a quiet leader in his own right. He's usually a supporting character on a good team & shouldn't be put in the top leadership position on any team, especially not for a guy his age. But when the captain isn't fufilling is role, someone has to step up, right?
As for Price, the book on him is to shoot on the blocker-side & towards the middle-to-high on him. Success can also be obtained by shooting at his glove-side since he's prone to react slowly with his mitt. As long as the shot is high enough (between the mid-section to above the shoulders), there's a good chance he'll miss it.
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Techman said:The problem with Price is that he goes down on his knees faster than a street girl when you wave a 20 in front of her.
Or a Mars candy bar?
I was looking at Don Lever behind the Habs bench tonight. Doesn't he remind you of that dead guy in 'Weekend at Bernie's?' No joke!
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