Is ISIS the most brutal terriorst group of all time.

[jeff jones]

Just watched a cnn detailed report on ISIS. In my opinion they make al-Qaeda and groups like Hamas look like amateurs. Countries had better band together to take care of this group or it is just a matter of time until they start attacking north america and europe. The time to act is now.

JJ

 

[dude79]

Waiting for some to come in here and relativize them.


.... Oh and how the USA is responsible and creators of all the world problems.

 

[steb22]

oh no, I went to Spa Isis a few times, they not so bad, ok maybe a bit greedy, but I wouldn't call them terrorists. I always felt safe there.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

My ex-wife and her 5 sisters did a pretty good job on terrorising an Albertan.

 

[marc7]

South America have had worst ! Narco's but them is for the money !!
The problem is not to cut the head , is what they're going to leave behind. Iraq is back in the middle age so you have a lunatic who wants to be the Khalif. If you cut his head another will rise until a plan to restore a government respected by every one! Sadam Hussain did it by gazing killing is own population , same thing with Libya . And I think we will see more horror before that country is pacified again . Like I said before they're using Islam for politic purpose .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/110...t-man-Popeye-freed-from-jail-in-Colombia.html

 

[EagerBeaver]

I think these guys are dummies. They seem to believe that a brutal videotaped beheading or two or three will lead Obama and the USA to cower and call off air strikes that have obviously hurt them. That is not happening. This is the same miscalculation that Al Qaeda made attacking the WTC. These kinds of attacks merely serve to embolden public opinion against them. No fair minded person believes that those guys who got beheaded had anything to do with US policy.

Eventually their leadership will be killed in drone attacks just like Al Qaeda's leaders were.

I don't know if the press is not overstating the threat of this group. They are picking mostly on poor non militarized ethnic minority groups incapable of defending themselves. Time will tell.

 

[steb22]

South America have had worst ! Narco's but them is for the money !!
The problem is not to cut the head , is what they're going to leave behind. Iraq is back in the middle age so you have a lunatic who wants to be the Khalif. If you cut his head another will rise until a plan to restore a government respected by every one! Sadam Hussain did it by gazing killing is own population , same thing with Libya . And I think we will see more horror before that country is pacified again . Like I said before they're using Islam for politic purpose .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/110...t-man-Popeye-freed-from-jail-in-Colombia.html

You are talking about Drug cartels. These are not terrorists organizations.

 

[EagerBeaver]

IS Vows To "Dethrone" Putin

http://m.news24.com/news24/World/News/ISIS-militants-vow-to-de-throne-Putin-20140903

 

[marc7]

You are talking about Drug cartels. These are not terrorists organizations.

Another form of it! Plata ou plombo .....

Narcoterrorism is a term coined by former President Fernando Belaúnde Terry of Peru in 1983 when describing terrorist-type attacks against his nation's anti-narcotics police. In its original context, narcoterrorism is understood to mean the attempts of narcotics traffickers to influence the policies of a government or a society through violence and intimidation, and to hinder the enforcement of anti-drug laws by the systematic threat or use of such violence. Pablo Escobar's violence in his dealings with the Colombian government is probably one of the best known and best documented examples of narcoterrorism.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcoterrorism

 

[Aka]

http://m.news24.com/news24/World/News/ISIS-militants-vow-to-de-throne-Putin-20140903

I wouldnt worry too much about that. The Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov (who is fking mental btw) just said this:

“Whoever dares to threaten Russia and say out loud the name of our President Vladimir Putin will be destroyed right where he is… These people will end their days under the hot sun of Syria and Iraq and moments after death they will be greeted by the flames of eternal hell.”

“Those bastards have nothing to do with Islam. They are enemies of Muslims everywhere”

So there isnt much ISIS can do if they do not have the support of the local muslims in the Caucasus.

 

[Aka]

To answer the question, yes I would say so...I didnt think it can get worse than the Chechens in terms of brutality, but the numbers ISIS kills are out of control

This just came out: "ISIS militants executed up to 770 Iraqi troops in Tikrit. Three new mass execution sites have been discovered at the Camp Speicher air base. The report states that the hardline Islamist group killed anywhere between 560 and 770 men during the slaughter, most of them believed to be Iraqi security forces serving at the former US base."

This is just one place that they didnt even know about.

 

[Doc Holliday]

In my opinion, it's the Nazis. They were absolutely brutal and so many innocents perished because of their ambitions (and brutality).

 

[Aka]

In my opinion, it's the Nazis. They were absolutely brutal and so many innocents perished because of their ambitions (and brutality).

Yes, they instilled terror, but they were not a terrorist organization..by that logic the Japanese were even worse in terms of brutality when they dealt with the Chinese, just on a smaller scale. Reading about Unit 731 makes you cringe.

There was a 4 hour documentary/movie called "Philosophy of a Knife" based on historical documents that show the medical experiments, techniques and what they practiced as torture on the prisoners. I couldnt watch more than half an hour...beyond the most fked up twisted evil imagination.

 

[BookerL]

Abu nidal and is terrorist group where very much fiered

Hi all

Abu Nidal
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For the Muslimgauze album, see Abu Nidal (album).Abu Nidal
(أبو نضال)

Abu Nidal in an image released in 1976
Born Sabri Khalil al-Banna (صبري خليل البنا)
May 1937
Jaffa, Mandatory Palestine
Died 16 August 2002 (aged 65)
Baghdad, Iraq
Resting place al-Karakh Islamic cemetery, Baghdad, in a grave marked "M7"
Nationality Palestinian
Alma mater Cairo University
Occupation Militant · Mercenary
Organization Fatah – The Revolutionary Council
(فتح المجلس الثوري), more generally
known as the Abu Nidal Organization
Movement Palestinian rejectionist front
Spouse(s) Hiyam al-Bita
Children One son, two daughters
Parents Hajj Khalil al-Banna (father)
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Abu Nidal (Arabic: أبو نضال meaning "father of [the] struggle"; May 1937 – 16 August 2002), born Sabri Khalil al-Banna (Arabic: صبري خليل البنا), was the founder of "Fatah – The Revolutionary Council" (Arabic: فتح المجلس الثوري), a militant Palestinian splinter group also known as the Abu Nidal Organization (ANO).[1] At the height of his power in the 1970s and 1980s, Abu Nidal was widely regarded as the most ruthless of the Palestinian political leaders.[2] In a rare interview given in 1985, he told Der Spiegel: "I am the evil spirit which moves around only at night causing ... nightmares."[3]

Abu Nidal formed the ANO in 1974 after splitting from Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and taking up a rejectionist stance. Acting as a freelance mercenary, the United States Department of State believe he was responsible for attacks in at least twenty different countries, killing or injuring over 900 people.[4] His organization's most notorious operation was the simultaneous Rome and Vienna airport attacks on 27 December 1985, when gunmen opened fire on the El Al ticket counters at both locations, killing eighteen people and wounding 120. Patrick Seale, Abu Nidal's biographer, wrote of the attacks that their "random cruelty marked them as typical Abu Nidal operations".[5] Reports describing the purges implemented by Abu Nidal and close associates provided further evidence of his and his organization's nature.

Abu Nidal died of between one and four gunshot wounds in Baghdad in August 2002. Palestinian sources believe he was killed on the orders of Saddam Hussein, but the Iraqi government insisted he had committed suicide.[6] The Guardian wrote on the news of his death: "He was the patriot turned psychopath. He served only himself, only the warped personal drives that pushed him into hideous crime. He was the ultimate mercenary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Nidal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Nidal_Organization



Regards


BookerL

 

[jeff jones]

In my opinion, it's the Nazis. They were absolutely brutal and so many innocents perished because of their ambitions (and brutality).

Doc, i really don't consider the nazis to be a terror group. What they did was awful and it was brutal but the difference is they were a government fighting a world war that they started of course but I don't think it is the same thing as al-qaeda and ISIS.

JJ

 

[Merlot]

Hello guys,

The first thing that came to mind instantly when I saw this thread was it is about being hyped up by anger about the so-called flavor of the month terrorist group only because the video recorded executions are so fresh in the mind. The question reflects current anger and doesn't have any historical perspective.

Doc, i really don't consider the nazis to be a terror group. What they did was awful and it was brutal but the difference is they were a government fighting a world war that they started of course but I don't think it is the same thing as al-qaeda and ISIS. JJ

Awful???............................................AWFUL?????????? You don't consider the deliberate planned rounding up of 9 million innocent people for the purpose extermination to be terror...but you're pissed about two Americans murders and stories of brutal executions.

What war were the non-existent Nazis fighting when Hitler laid out the premise for all the exterminations in Mein Kampf when he was an unknown prisoner guilty of rebellion and targeted Poles, Slavs, Jews as sub-human? What war were the Nazis fighting between 1933 and 1939 when the death camps were being built and filled? You deny the calculated mass murder of millions was terror because of the excuse there was a war going on? Thanks for excusing the most monstrous mass killers of all time.

BTW, in case you missed it, ISIS is engaged in organized armed aggression...A WAR! Why not excuse them the same way for the same reason?

A terrorist regime is engaged in terror. It doesn't matter if it's ancient Assyrians impaling hundreds of thousands, Romans crucifying millions, Crusaders cannibalizing thousands of civilians, Timur building mountains of skulls, colonials wiping out millions of nativess, Turks executing millions of Armenians, Stalin working millions to death, Pol Pot starving to death 1/2 of his own country, or Islamic extremists executing people on television.

I doubt that the true stories about Isis killing other Arabs would motivate much attention than any of the other hundreds of brutal mass tragedies since the start of the 20th century if two Americans hadn't been displayed on TV. Funny how quickly those images replaced the mass deaths of two plane loads and thousands of innocents in two crashing towers so easily as the worst. As I said, I think the idea Isis is the worst terrorist group ever is a huge overreaction to images of the fresh terrorist flavor of the month. The power of real images has overwhelmed perspectives. Yeah, it's monstrous, but you're letting Isis lose your heads over it...so to speak.

really,

Merlot

 

[jeff jones]

Hello guys,

The first thing that came to mind instantly when I saw this thread was it is about being hyped up and angry about the so-called flavor of the month terrorist group only because of the video recorded executions are so fresh in the mind. The question reflects current anger and doesn't have any historical perspective.



Awful???............................................AWFUL?????????? You don't consider the deliberate planned rounding up of 9 million innocent people for the purpose extermination to be terror...but you're pissed about two Americans murders and stories of brutal executions.

What war were the non-existent Nazis fighting when Hitler laid out the premise for all the exterminations in Mein Kampf when he was an unknown prisoner guilty of rebellion and targeted Poles, Slavs, Jews as sub-human? What war were the Nazis fighting between 1933 and 1939 when the death camps were being built and filled? You deny the calculated mass murder of millions was terror because of the excuse there was a war going on? Thanks for excusing the most monstrous mass killers of all time.

BTW, in case you missed it, ISIS is engaged in organized armed aggression...A WAR! Why not excuse them for the same reason?

Where did i excuse them, i didn't. What they did was terrible beyond belief but from an historical purpose they are not considered to be a terror group and that's a fact. Goggle terror groups and see if the nazis come up. Also what a pathetic narrow point of view to say, they have just beheaded two americans, they have done much more then that and they are just getting started. They are much more then just the flavor of the month. Your post just shows how uninformed you are. You really are becoming unplugged aren't you.

JJ

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

In my opinion, it's the Nazis. They were absolutely brutal and so many innocents perished because of their ambitions (and brutality).

The Romans would be a close tie, the killings were less but if they had the fire power the Nazis had and the population to go after they may have surpassed them.

 

[Merlot]

Where did i excuse them, i didn't. What they did was terrible beyond belief but from an historical purpose they are not considered to be a terror group and that's a fact. Goggle terror groups and see if the nazis come up. Also what a pathetic narrow point of view to say, they have just beheaded two americans, they have done much more then that and they are just getting started. They are much more then just the flavor of the month. Your post just shows how uninformed you are. You really are becoming unplugged aren't you.

JJ

Googled: "Terrorist Groups History". First link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism

The history of terrorism is a history of well-known and historically significant individuals, entities, and incidents associated, whether rightly or wrongly, with terrorism. Scholars agree that terrorism is a disputed term, and very few of those labelled terrorists describe themselves as such. It is common for opponents in a violent conflict to describe the other side as terrorists or as practicing terrorism.[1]

Depending on how broadly the term is defined, the roots and practice of terrorism can be traced at least to the 1st-century AD Sicarii Zealots, though some dispute whether the group, which assassinated collaborators with Roman rule in the province of Judea, was in fact terrorist. The first use in English of the term 'terrorism' occurred during the French Revolution's Reign of Terror, when the Jacobins, who ruled the revolutionary state, employed violence, including mass executions by guillotine, to compel obedience to the state and intimidate regime enemies[citation needed]. The association of the term only with state violence and intimidation lasted until the mid-19th century, when it began to be associated with non-governmental groups. Anarchism, often in league with rising nationalism and anti-monarchism, was the most prominent ideology linked with terrorism. Near the end of the 19th century, anarchist groups or individuals committed assassinations of a Russian Tsar and a U.S. President.

In the 20th century terrorism continued to be associated with a vast array of anarchist, socialist, fascist and nationalist groups, many of them engaged in 'third world' anti-colonial struggles. Some scholars[who?] also labeled as terrorist much of the internal violence and intimidation practiced by Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany[dubious – discuss]. Increasingly, however, as the century neared its end, the United States and other Western powers pushed for a consensus definition of 'terrorism' that would largely or completed exclude state entities[citation needed].

Jeff, you have shown you have no broad historical perspective. You seem to be very limited to only what you have been shown. Like too many, you are a fine example of people believing that what happens in their own time and what they can see has to be the worst ever. Terrorist groups have always been defined by acts of gross inhuman injustice, by acts of extreme abuse of human rights up to and including planned state mass executions. It may be a newer concept, but it's a very, very old tactic and there are many far worst examples in history than Isis, though their extremism of their views and acts so far has great evil potential. Still, limiting current popular use of the term "terror" to political and religious extremist sub groups changes nothing. Even limiting the definition to the latter it's amazing how quickly Al Qaeda with such a long recent history of so much more far ranging terror by murder and acts of international destruction of innocent people is being set aside for a current sort of FLAVOR of the MONTH.

Now "unplugged"? You give the Nazis, one of the most vicious regimes who accomplished one of the most cold-bloodedly evil calculated mass slaughters in all of history some bit of sympathetic understanding because they...eventually...got involved in a "war". One they started? You think this isn't UNPLUGGED...like your crying about escorts not liking you.

The Romans would be a close tie, the killings were less but if they had the fire power the Nazis had and the population to go after they may have surpassed them.

Maybe Jeff sees Romans watching lions eating people as just part of the culture.

I think this view that the word "terror" has to be limited to rogue groups, often religious and Islamic, is about buying into politicization that suits a need to deal with a current threat. Anyone who who puts aside the real evil acts of Genghiz Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and so many more as true terrorists is buying into a redirection that is being used to fulfill current needs.

HOW SOON WE FORGET AL QAEDA HANGS WOMEN FOR FAILING TO PREVENT THEIR OWN RAPE...BUT THEY WEREN'T TWO AMERICANS EXECUTED ON VIDEO!!!



Merlot

 

[mauricevachon]

I don't see what the big deal is.

Israel wants to be recognized as a Jewish (religious) state... why can't Sunni Muslims have their state?

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If journalists want to go out in the field, knowing that their communications are being monitored by the US National Security Agency, then they are effectively acting as US spies.

And the penalty for spying in a war zone has long been execution.

A beheading is far faster and less painful than electrocution or drugging like the US does....and IS is not torturing US captives...

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To answer the poll:

Right now I'd say the US is the most dangerous terrorist group of all time:

1. It threatens to use nuclear weapons against other nations that don't have them...(It has an "all options are on the table" policy against Iran)

2. It has an existing policy of torturing and assasinating who it wants....(including most recently US citizens)

3. Two million dead in Vietnam...

4. A half million+ dead in Iraq

5. A policy of perpectual war for almost three decades....attacks or acts of war against a dozen countries, military bases in dozens of countries..

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The US is right now the biggest terrorist group....ever....